Political un-rest and rally

[sargeant]

Which is exactly what you are doing in your support for Thaksin and the reds by conveniently ignoring history and the things that started this big bloody mess.

Try yellow shirts occupying govt buildings
Try coup de Tat
Try rigging the judicial system
Try rigging the electoral commission
Try yellow shirts seizing the airport a second round of ILLEGAL behaviour
Try 3 parties 3 Pms etc etc etc thrown out by said rigged judicial system
Try appointing PAD/yellow shirt leaders as foreign minister
Try NOT ONE yellow shirt charged for govt buildings or airport
Try 3 years and investigation into Padipat corruption not even started

leaving those minor transgressions out is you ignoring history let me remind youthere were no red shirts until the above had already happened

and yet again you make the same propaganda BS by smearing me as a Thaksin supporter
quote me on this forum and by PM
2. The red shirts should in conjunction with the democrats agree that Thaksin Shinawatra will not receive amnesty but face his accusers and ALL charges in open court televised live to the nation and under a guarantee of impartial judges by whichever side wins the election. And also agree to abide by the verdicts and sentences of just law.

But dont let your selective reading disturb your paranoia of Mr T

I have posted it on this forum continually i am a supporter of democracy
i am very much against dictatorship
I DO NOT CARE what party runs it as long as they are the party which has the most votes
I DO NOT like vote buying but i hate hypocrites that say he is evil for doing what they do themselves
now spell out why you dont agree with democracy and want the status quo to continue and how that is even vaguely going to move this country to harmony and stability

the best thing would be for the whole damn lot of them to be banned and a fresh new start without the political dinosaurs and the power mongers that are painfully obviously only in it for themselves.

i agree wholeheartedly as long as it included the real power brokers who are NOT ELECTED

it is however a pie in the sky statement the polititions that put themselves up for election are what the thais have to choose from and therefore it will be incremental change over a long period which is the best we can hope for

[buksida]

No worries sarge, if picking a colour makes you feel better good for you, I'm not trawling back through the board to quote you.

Me, I know all politicians are thieving, lying, corrupt scumbags so it makes no difference who gets "elected" and who doesn't.

[sargeant]

No worries sarge, if picking a colour makes you feel better good for you, I'm not trawling back through the board to quote you.

I DO NOT CARE what party runs it as long as they are the party which has the most votes

If i am UDD it is not for the democracy side of it its for the against the second D
The Democrat/padipat wont or cant do anything to stop the second d so i cannot on belief go with them

Me, I know all politicians are thieving, lying, corrupt scumbags so it makes no difference who gets "elected" and who doesn't.

That statement i agree with you 100% but it raises the question if all polititions are what you say why keep going on and on about a single lonely all on his own individual one and only person, even though i agree he is probably well bent i have never heard you mention anyone else and certainly not the second d

[JD]

The red shirts should in conjunction with the democrats agree that Thaksin Shinawatra will not receive amnesty but face his accusers and ALL charges in open court televised live to the nation... Wasn't he already found guilty and charged? Why should a charged criminal, on the run, get special treatment?

.... and under a guarantee of impartial judges by whichever side wins the election. You say 'impartial' like he never had that right before, or do you mean I'm partial (to accept Millions Baht in brown paper bags) Judges who are not quite so upstanding as the one who sentenced him before and did not accept the bribe.

And also agree to abide by the verdicts and sentences of just law. Why the hell should anyone agree with that when the man himself did a runner, he has not accepted the verdict and sentence from last time, from a Judge that refused his 'gift'

Give me break Sarge, the man is openly trying to cause damage and hurt this Country, he is a big part of the poison that is ailing Thailand.

I'm not anti or pro any side in this conflict. But business wise, it was during the last 'coup years' that business was having one of it's better times.

From your continual rhetoric on the side of Thaksin every time his name is mentioned, isn't it about time you showed your true colours.

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[buksida]

I DO NOT CARE what party runs it as long as they are the party which has the most votes

So a vote paid for by the "ample rich" party campaigning in Issan is worth more than a free one from the south? Nice "democracy" ....... hypocrite.

This "discussion" really is The red bird is kind of apt though

[caller]

Me, I know all politicians are thieving, lying, corrupt scumbags so it makes no difference who gets "elected" and who doesn't.

For a minute there, I thought you were talking about the UK election!

Yes, I know, wrong thread and

[PeteC]

As an Update: All coalition partners have agreed to the road map. Some reports say the Red Shirt group will reply this afternoon, some say this evening, and some say tomorrow.

The only Red Shirt group to make a full statement is from Kalasin. They agree with the plan, but still want house dissolution in 90 days, not November. Pete

[BaaBaa.]

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[sargeant]

The red shirts should in conjunction with the democrats agree that Thaksin Shinawatra will not receive amnesty but face his accusers and ALL charges in open court televised live to the nation... Wasn't he already found guilty and charged? Why should a charged criminal, on the run, get special treatment?

.... and under a guarantee of impartial judges by whichever side wins the election. You say 'impartial' like he never had that right before, or do you mean I'm partial (to accept Millions Baht in brown paper bags) Judges who are not quite so upstanding as the one who sentenced him before and did not accept the bribe.
And also agree to abide by the verdicts and sentences of just law. Why the hell should anyone agree with that when the man himself did a runner, he has not accepted the verdict and sentence from last time, from a Judge that refused his 'gift'

i would agree with all you put in red if it was not the mans argument that he never got a fair trial
so lets get the history straight first
First came the coup
then the Democrat party appointed ministers sacked judges and replaced them

THEN Mr T stood trial not before

Did he get a fair trial I DO NOT KNOW and neither do you and wishfull thinking either way is a futile exercise as for the bribe in my thinking it would have been just as heinous if the judge had accepted and found him not guilty

The problem is It is a powerful belief amongst his followers that he DID NOT get a fair trial and they did not get that propaganda from the media

i proposed this purely as a way of removing that argument once and for all and expect the results of these televised trials would leave him isolated if you are correct

I WANT JUSTICE and if he is guilty I WANT to see him inside doing time

Without impartial fair justice democracy will never survive

If i am UDD it is not for the democracy side of it its for the against the second D
The Democrat/padipat wont or cant do anything to stop the second d so i cannot on belief go with them

free one from the south?

Or 3 or 4 votes in different constituancys based on tabian bahns check out the mercs and suvs from BKK here on voting days
I believe but you can put me right but i consider Hua Hin to be in the south and i know for a FACT the padipat bought votes here stop thinking they are as pure as driven snow both sides rig the elections and BOTH sides should pack it in

i have put up what i think would help the situation rightly or wrongly where are all of your ideas to heal this conflict conspicuously absent so far

[PeteC]

Breaking news is that the Red Shirt leadership as accepted unanimously"...a reconciliation program...", but no specific mention of the full "road map" plan as being agreed to. In addition, they want the Election Commission to set the election date, not the current government.

I think they're playing games with semantics and doing a bit of face saving. They know the election commission will set whatever date Abahasit wants. I think it's a done deal. Pete

[sargeant]

At last some good news from both sides

one interesting part of the BKK posts breaking news that surprised me

Mr Veera affirmed that the UDD leaders would not seek amnesty from being charged with terrorism and lese majeste and would be ready to fight the charges.

[Lung Per]

Edit

Her name was Edith, not Edit.

[PeteC]

Not much news this morning being a holiday. However, what there is shows that things are not over. A whole bunch of "if's and buts" are now being thrown about by the Red Shirts and they have refused, for now, to end their rally until more of their conditions are met. Pete

[sargeant]

pete as i understand it Only the electoral commission can put a date on the election Abhisit can only dissolve the parliament

from the day Abhisit dissolves the house the election commission must anounce the election date between 45 and 60 days after the date of dissolution

if mr a does not dissolve the house the parliament must by law go full term ie end of next year

i will give mr A the benefit of the doubt and say election 14 november
so the house must be dissolved before 1st oct to give 45 days or at the earliest 16th sept to give 60 days

i think the red shirts want a firm date of dissolution and probably the 16th sept because if the house is dissolved on the 1st oct theoreticaly the election commission could give 60 days which goes up to 29/30 nov

it may well all be semantics but at least we are a lot further back from armagedon

[buksida]

I WANT JUSTICE and if he is guilty I WANT to see him inside doing time

Yes sarge, you stick to your red TV, after all they know the "facts" and you're suddenly the expert on Thai politics. The south is not Hua Hin, this town is a suburb of Bangkok, - let me know when you've been down south and spoken to the other half of your "majority". What YOU want is irrelevant, what the country needs is relevant - and it isn't your red mob or their corrupt leader.