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[DawnHRD]

Jockey, if you're going for the world record in pedantry - be my guest. As I know you are intelligent enough to be aware, my point is, it gets to be a bit of a pain in the proverbial reading complaint after complaint. Some justified, some petty. Therefore, it is little wonder that some members (myself included) start to present different viewpoints.

[huahinsimon]

Right on Vivienne, It seems the Feeding Time forum is going the way of the Property forum. No criticisms allowed.

I think you've got yours eyes shut, most of the threads on here are slagging off some restaurant or other.

And many of the responses to negative posts are negative criticisms from JW. uncleoz, SJ and other apologists for the restaurant industry.

What I meant by "going the way" is that as soon as roccia or another threatens to Sue HHAD over bad publicity the way Pinkie did in property that will end negativity on restaurant. just a thought but i'm probably wrong, again.


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[JW]

Those who have been here for a decent length of time here in Thailand seem to (most of the time) be able to adopt the Mai Pen Rai attitude - one of the major plus points talked about by Jockey in another thread.

Those who have little to do with their time seem to focus on the negative aspects of life here. Its almost like some like to sit in the garden and think about what can be complained about next. There are cases of people who have had some bad experiences - in this case i can understand the negative stand point, its tough not to be.

This has been very notable on the forum over the past few months. First time readers of the site must think that HH is either a bad place to live - or full of absolute grumps! Yes Dawn the positive heads do get bored of the same old complaints.

Bottom line is that we cant really expect get the same standards as in our home countries - when we do get it we should be super happy, if its not then how bad is it, are we going to starve that night like millions all over the world - i dont think so. Next time your steak is not cooked quite right then have a think about those who are struggling for a drink of water that night - its a sobering thought.

[DawnHRD]

Excellent post, JW. All extremely valid points. I particularly like the one about perspective at the end.

[chelsea]

JW I go along with you over your comments about " First time readers of the site must think that HH is either a bad place to live - or full of absolute grumps"

If I was reading this forum and had never been to HH before, I would imagine it to be a place full of Victor Meldrum's.

Perhaps we should phone the UK TV company that does the Grumpy Old Man & Women series and get then to film the next series in Hua Hin. From what has been wriiten on this forum recently there should be enough moan's and groan's for two or three new series.

Perhaps the ones doing all the moaning have to much time on their hands and should perhaps put their efforts to something more constructive to help the local community that you are living in.

That way you may get to understand how things work in the new country that you are living in, and be all the better for it.
I have always found that to be more worthwhile experience than just sitting there and doing nothing and wondering why nothing is changing.

Just remember when it comes down to it, you are still all only a guest in someone elses country.

[JW]

Exactly Chelsea, we choose to live in a country far away from our home country, we are guests here and should never forget it, we all like to think we can influence cultural change - come on get a grip that aint happening in most of our lifetimes! Of course we all want to have the best of both of our worlds, thats ok we are all greedy!

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with criticism, its an integral part of life - it just seems that currently its very one sided.

At the end of the day we all have bad days, but ask ourselves one question - does that mean that places like All In Hua Hin, Roccia, Buffalo Bills, California Catalina (not proud of my post there) to name a few should be so publically criticized. A few have pointed out that if there is a problem in a restaurant then you should talk about then and there, if we choose not to then don't go back - simple.

[chelsea]

JW Australia would be a lovely place if the Aussies would move and live somewhere else. But they wont so we have to put up with then. Bless em.

[ozuncle]

Whats that Chelsea!
Bye the way,
I wonder if all those that are doing the WHINGING are POMS !

[chelsea]

Ozuncle, you must have lost your sense of humor, but did not take long to get someone to bite though did it lol.
I have lived here for 26 years now and have got used to them all now. At least I have an Aussie passport so they cannot chuck me out if I annoy them.

I think you could be spot on there about the whingers, hope they have not seen all the cheap flights to Perth.
Could you imagine having them all in your place for a night. You can only hope that day never comes.
You would want to murder them by the end of the night.

[ozuncle]

Chelsea

Seriously we have only had one person who has posted of a good experience at this place. That was JW. ( I have not met him yet but he sounds like the type of person who is very tolerant.) Surely if the place is so bad it could not last long.

Jockey
You did say earlier that you were not put off going by all the bad comments.
You then said because the place was empty you did not want to try it.

To finalise this topic I nominate you (Jockey) to go along and report back with your unbiased review.
What about it?

[Super Joe]

Perhaps we should phone the UK TV company that does the Grumpy Old Man & Women series and get then to film the next series in Hua Hin

like it, hua hin does seem to have more than its fair share of whinging, moaning, grumpy old men

those of us that have adopted the old 'mai pen rai' philosophy enjoy it here though

whilst i find the whingers irritating, i do take comfort that they spend their lives here in a state of negativity

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[JW]

You do find the unhappy people are more likely to talk about their experience than those that are happy.

[Super Joe]

i find that a gomi (grumpy old men international) demand high quality meals, but do not frequent the more expensive restaurants that can provide this standard of service

its available if they want it, but then they would have nothing to complain about
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[chelsea]

Oz I have been over to HH twice (last time 2 years ago) and have posted several times before about all the good places that I have eaten in overthere.

The thing that gets me is that all of the thai places cut down on the spicy side of the food because most of the tourists (and dare i say some expats) moan that it is to hot to eat.
That is one thing that really pisses me off, now I have learnt to ask for it like the locals have it, but have not posted derogoraty comments on places that do it. I found out by talking to one of the locals on how to fix it.

I was talking to a BG one night and expainling what was happening, and she told me how to order hot food. I can tell you she was spot on with what she said, and have always enjoyed my Thai food from then on.

It took me a long while till I found somewhere that cooked what I classed as good local food. The place is in Poolsuk Rd and called Bam Bam's.
Food is always cooked fresh and with the spicy kick that it should have. By the looks of the clientelle there are mainly locals and local expats and is always busy.

I have only been to tourist areas in LOS, and have found non spicy food the same problem everywhere I have been.
Have not really been up north yet, but would imagine that it would be a bit different up there. Closest I got to some really authentic food was in Koh Lanta, very spicy but also very tasty.

I have met JW in the times I have been over there, have drank in his bar and also made a guest appearance for his dart team last time. He is as you say a good guy and like yourself also has the appreciation of the time and effort it takes to run a busy establishment, and the problems with staff etc that can occour.

[huahinsimon]

Exactly Chelsea, we choose to live in a country far away from our home country, we are guests here and should never forget it, we all like to think we can influence cultural change - come on get a grip that aint happening in most of our lifetimes! Of course we all want to have the best of both of our worlds, thats ok we are all greedy!

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with criticism, its an integral part of life - it just seems that currently its very one sided.

At the end of the day we all have bad days, but ask ourselves one question - does that mean that places like All In Hua Hin, Roccia, Buffalo Bills, California Catalina (not proud of my post there) to name a few should be so publically criticized. A few have pointed out that if there is a problem in a restaurant then you should talk about then and there, if we choose not to then don't go back - simple.

The restaurateurs and apologists are out in full force, agreeing with each other's posts. slapping each other's backsides, lol at their jokes, just having a great ol time, whinging about the whingers, but learning nothing from the posters, who are not making malicious attacks for the most part (KK did go off but was driven to it by a shouting manager) but who are making criticisms which if listened to would go a long way to contributing to the success of the establishment.
And get a grip, of the thousands of meals served everyday in HH an infinitesimally small number are criticized. right SJ?
JW wrote:
Those who have been here for a decent length of time here in Thailand seem to (most of the time) be able to adopt the Mai Pen Rai attitude - one of the major plus points talked about by Jockey in another thread. "

I must ask JW: Does the Mai Pen Rai attitude go only one way? Cannot a restaurant manager adopt it, instead of getting their back up and shouting "thats the way we make it here, no apologies, you ordered it, you pay?" What prevents them from saying, Sorry sir, its not a traditional Greek salad, or Caesar salad or chicken enchillada, would you care to order something esle? Wouldn't that be mai pen rai, by the restaurateur? Just asking.



I must relate that of small number of times I chose to bring questions to the attention of a restaurant, its only been the farang owners who have reacted negatively. made excuses and presented the "that's the way we make it here" argument. I wonder why that is? Haven't they learned to chill out, say mai pen rai, the customer is right, like the Thai restaurateurs do.
And to make a childish statement that some people are so bored or have so little to do, that they sit around in their gardens thinking of things to complain about is unworthy of further comment.

JW

First time readers of the site must think that HH is either a bad place to live - or full of absolute grumps! Yes Dawn the positive heads do get bored of the same old complaints.

So the positive heads get bored of same old complaints.

Ok we've had one restaurant complaint. Cap it! We've had one property complaint. Stuff it. We've had one complaint about human trafficing. Shut up!! You disturb the positive heads.


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