Football World Cup 2010

[redzonerocker]

concerning the controversial decision, how long would it take a 4th official to decide that the ball had crossed the line & add to that,the first argentine goal which was miles offside ??

would the 'non' goal made a difference?
of course it would but we'll never know how much.
for certain the whole dynamic & psychology of the game would have changed along with the second half game plans of both teams.

as it was, england defended like a sunday morning pub team for the first 2 goals & the germans took full advantage without really having to show to much
the other 2 goals was just classic counter attacking, perfectly executed & a luxury afforded to the germans by the woeful earlier defensive display

i can't take anything away from the germans, they did a first class job
i doubt the argies will be so generous in the next game though

[Toni]

with regards to the goal line technology argument, the same thing happened to Romania against Bulgaria in Euro 96. Losing 1-0, they scored a "goal" just like Lampard which wasn't given - they were knocked out. Nothing has happened in the 14 years since, however, this time it has affected one of the "major" footballing nations - wonder if they will be able to exert enough pressure on FIFA to get something done.
I'm more of a rugby man than footy, but in my opinion the English simply put too much pressure on themselves. They go into every tournament expecting to win it. They've only ever performed in 2 major tournaments 1966 (at home) and 1990. They've reached 1 final in all the years of trying. Compare that to the country they lost to yesterday, 7 WC finals and 6 euro finals. In fact, in terms of reaching finals England are on a par with Sweden, Belgium, Greece, Denmark, Portugal, and behind the likes of Uruguay, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, USSR, Spain, Italy, France, Brazil, Argentina, Netherlands.
Perhaps if they just went into a tournament with a little more realistic view of their chances things might go a bit better for them, and the disappointment at an early exit would not be quite so severe. Just a thought.

[JimmyGreaves]

with regards to the goal line technology argument, the same thing happened to Romania against Bulgaria in Euro 96. Losing 1-0, they scored a "goal" just like Lampard which wasn't given - they were knocked out. Nothing has happened in the 14 years since, however, this time it has affected one of the "major" footballing nations - wonder if they will be able to exert enough pressure on FIFA to get something done.
I'm more of a rugby man than footy, but in my opinion the English simply put too much pressure on themselves. They go into every tournament expecting to win it. They've only ever performed in 2 major tournaments 1966 (at home) and 1990. They've reached 1 final in all the years of trying. Compare that to the country they lost to yesterday, 7 WC finals and 6 euro finals. In fact, in terms of reaching finals England are on a par with Sweden, Belgium, Greece, Denmark, Portugal, and behind the likes of Uruguay, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, USSR, Spain, Italy, France, Brazil, Argentina, Netherlands.
Perhaps if they just went into a tournament with a little more realistic view of their chances things might go a bit better for them, and the disappointment at an early exit would not be quite so severe. Just a thought.

Totally agree

[pharvey]

England's World Cup performance, players and coach being "discussed" live......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... rside.html

[pharvey]

Well, about sums up my day - the moment I mention it, they wrap things up!

[Roel]

How arrogant can you get? Just read on a Dutch website that the FIFA (or the MAFIFA as they call them) left out the disallowed England goal from the game highlights on their official website. Talking about denial. They also suggest that after this incident Blatter can do nothing but ACT. As a result he will probably announce that from now on showing replays is forbidden.

[richard]

This is worth a visit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... video.html

[richard]

Beckham for manager???

Thoughts???

[Vital Spark]

would the 'non' goal made a difference?
of course it would but we'll never know how much.
for certain the whole dynamic & psychology of the game would have changed along with the second half game plans of both teams.......
i can't take anything away from the germans, they did a first class job

I totally agree with you RZR. In a World Cup, match video evidence should be allowed to over-rule the referee's decision. I doubt it would have made any difference to the end result with Germany, but what if it happens in the final? FIFA should drag themselves into the 21st century and not rely solely on two men with flags and one with a whistle. With corruption and bribery alive and kicking in all sports, it would be one way to stamp it out.

VS

[pharvey]

Goal line technology prooves a point....

[redzonerocker]

Beckham for manager???

Thoughts???

not a prayer
it's a choice of 2 either redknapp or hodgson

[richard]

not a prayer
it's a choice of 2 either redknapp or hodgson

Well how about a partnership? Beckham is certainly a role model for youngsters coming through the game. An experienced successful manager with a role model adviser

I'm no expert but I think the failure of England was down to a number of factors. Old tired legs, a cultural split between manager and players, inability to change roles and formats depending on the opposition and state of play, Too many league games and not a long enough bonding session as a national team. To name but a few

[redzonerocker]

I totally agree with you RZR. In a World Cup, match video evidence should be allowed to over-rule the referee's decision.
VS

i have to say that technology should never have even had to come into play with this incident it was that obvious.

I doubt it would have made any difference to the end result with Germany. FIFA should drag themselves into the 21st century and not rely solely on two men with flags and one with a whistle.

that we'll never know
what is for sure is that the 1/2 time team talks would have been totally different & so would have the 2nd half tactics
that said i couldn't possibly offer any excuses for the display as a whole.
poor defending & a lack of team ethic was englands downfall.
germany on the other hand had that in abundance & took full advantage of englands poor display

as for the technology side of things, it's worked in rugby, cricket & tennis with very little disruption.
it is about time it was introduced to football in the form of a video ref

With corruption and bribery alive and kicking in all sports, it would be one way to stamp it out.

a conspiracy in the making VS but a valid point!!!

[redzonerocker]

Well how about a partnership? Beckham is certainly a role model for youngsters coming through the game. An experienced successful manager with a role model adviser

it seems there was a lot of friction & discontent within the squad, maybe beckham was part of the problem?
i think we'll find out in due course!!!

I'm no expert but I think the failure of England was down to a number of factors. Old tired legs, a cultural split between manager and players, inability to change roles and formats depending on the opposition and state of play, Too many league games and not a long enough bonding session as a national team. To name but a few

the 'tired legs' & 'to many games' excuses are old & tired in my opinion
the rest of the suggestions are valid points.
the preparation was poor, the squad & team selections were questionable & at times baffling & the manager imho should take full responsibility for that

next manager should be english, no compromise

[redzonerocker]

but in my opinion the English simply put too much pressure on themselves. They go into every tournament expecting to win it.

where do you get that from
as a prominent team in a major tournament, you have to believe you can win it, no point turning up otherwise
not in any time can i remember england going into any tournament 'expecting' to win it, especially this one!!!

They've only ever performed in 2 major tournaments 1966 (at home) and 1990.

we have flattered to deceive in many of the tournaments but we were unlucky in euro 96, the hand of god done for us in mexico 1986 & the freak goal in japan/korea 2002
we have also gone out on pens in most tournaments which is pretty much a lottery