Political un-rest and rally

[sargeant]

i am loosing patience with the leaders though

to me the problem is every single piece written and posted on thai politics is like

reading a report on an Arsenal Man U game and the reporter leaves out the MAJOR facts like that at half time Pele came on and scored a hat trick but he cannot tell you who scored, what was the final score, how the goals were scored or even who won

all he does is slag of the team he doesnt support

cozza one last point i have put forward my 10 ideas how to solve some of this problem i have challenged the slaggers for their ideas i am still waiting for a single idea to date nothing nana zilch buggeral that alone speaks volumes

yes buksi but he was elected THREE piggin times and one of them he was in exile thats a pretty popular dictator

i believe he is now irrelevant i think at least i hope it has finally gone past just one man

[buksida]

yes buksi but he was elected THREE piggin times and one of them he was in exile thats a pretty popular dictator

A very rich dictator that paid for power three times is still a dictator.

noun: a person exercising absolute power, esp. a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.

He was succeeded in the 2006 coup for exactly this - not that I condone coups or military rule in any way, I'm just trying to provide a balance to the incessant pro red/Thaksin rhetoric.

i believe he is now irrelevant i think at least i hope it has finally gone past just one man

How wrong can you be - he is still very relevant and is the one pulling all of the stings and financing this movement. If I for one millisecond thought he was irrelevant I would probably support the reds too.

[cozza]

cozza one last point i have put forward my 10 ideas how to solve some of this problem i have challenged the slaggers for their ideas i am still waiting for a single idea to date nothing nana zilch buggeral that alone speaks volumes

yes buksi but he was elected THREE piggin times and one of them he was in exile thats a pretty popular dictator

i believe he is now irrelevant i think at least i hope it has finally gone past just one man

You always leave out Thaksin though and your version of events start with the PAD Coup de ta, not with Thaksin' being a criminal & corrupt PM.

That is why it is biased.

i believe he is now irrelevant i think at least i hope it has finally gone past just one man

He IS the man on everyones lips still. He is the name and the face of the Reds.

In the words of Voranai Vanijaka, to those who dont think this is about Thaksin, get out of your air-conditioned rooms, go down to Ratchaprasong and have a look around the protest site and speak to the demonstrators.

[buksida]

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has withdrew the Nov 14 election proposal after the anti-government red shirt protesters refused to end rally.

"However, I will proceed with the five-point reconciliation plan," Mr Abhisit said on the sidelines of a seminar on community development at a Bangkok hotel on Thursday morning.

The prime minister also ensured that he would bring the situation back to normalcy before the beginning of the new school term next Monday.

Mr Abhisit proposed his reconciliation roadmap and offered the Nov 14 poll date on May 3. He later announced house dissolution date between Sept 15 to 30.

The red shirt leaders accepted the house dissolution and poll date but refused to end the month-long rally at Ratchprasong intersection unless Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuangsuban faces criminal charges in relation to the April 10 violent clashes between security forces and the protesters.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... -on-nov-14

The rejection to compromise by the reds just proves that is Thaksin is hellbent on destroying this country ... at whatever cost.

[sargeant]

i dont know if i am right or wrong only time will tell that, i said i hope i am right

if the PAD came out to end the second d in UDD i would probably support the democrat party on policy because i have always been right of centre conservative and voted for maggie twice on the only 2 occasions i have been able to vote

but as i have said in my INCESSANT rhetoric to use your emotive language the only MOB on the block even talking about the second D is the reds so i have no choice but to go there because i know it exists
there are not one but 2 2nd ds Mr T being one i just wish they would both take their egos and personal vendettas and bugger of.
INCESSANT rhetoric on one of them and zilch on the other does no service to the people trying to understand this mess at all

get out of your air-conditioned rooms, go down to Ratchaprasong

you dont know me cozza i am either down with the tin shack people who are long time friends or they are around my un aircon townhouse.
when this started it was all thaksin but since 10th last month he has hardly been mentioned as i say i hope he is becoming more irrelevant
buksi quote me

i am loosing patience with the leaders though

not with the rank and file though i am sure they are being let down by the leadership yet again

[STEVE G]

How wrong can you be - he is still very relevant and is the one pulling all of the stings and financing this movement. If I for one millisecond thought he was irrelevant I would probably support the reds too.

This is a big problem now as I see it.
There are a large number of people who are supporting Thaksin, but are actually now just anti-establishment.
Their main grievance is how the governments they voted for have been repeatedly brought down by coup and legal action. They now accept that Thaksin was flawed, but they are left with a feeling that whoever they support will never be allowed to rule the country which is a dangerous thing as it will turn them from politics to more desperate measures.

[buksida]

Agree with that Steve but they are unlikely to gain the support they need or be taken seriously while they're still waving Thaksin posters around. If the party does get re-elected it is highly likely one of Thaksin's 'family' will get the top job and he'll be siphoning off funds and abusing power again, in fact its painfully obvious.

Anyway things are about to heat up ...

Military to besiege rally site from 6pm
Government forces will begin laying siege to the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship's (UDD) protest site at the Ratchaprasong intersection from 6pm today, Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd said on Thursday.

Col Sansern said armoured personnel carriers (APCs) would be used to protect soldiers during the operation.

Roadblocks would be set up. Protesters would be allowed to leave the protest site, but no-one would be allowed to enter.

Snipers carrying real weapons and live ammunition would move into position. However, heavy weapons such as machineguns and grenades would not be used, he said.

Live ammunition would be used - fired into the sky to scare away attackers, to protect the lives of security personnel, and to shoot armed assailants.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... e-from-6pm

[sargeant]

I am actually in favour of this move stop the som tam getting in let them leave for somtam but they cant return

should be all over by 11 o clock tommorrow

nothing i know trumps a Thais hunger

[STEVE G]

Yes, let's see what happens this time:

PM risks becoming laughing stock with ultimatums
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... ultimatums

[Nereus]

CNN are reporting that Seh Daeng has been shot and wounded, his condition unknown. Also big explosion heard in the same area.

[BaaBaa.]

CNN are reporting that Seh Daeng has been shot and wounded, his condition unknown.

Som nom na!

[Nereus]

Yes, but it seems that their aim has not improved!

[BaaBaa.]

BANGKOK — A renegade Thai general was shot in Bangkok on Thursday as the military planned to encircle the barricaded encampment of antigovernment demonstrators.

Gen. Khattiya Sawatdiphol, 59, better known as Seh Daeng, was allied with the protesters. .He appeared to have taken a single bullet to the head during an interview with The International Herald Tribune.

No chance of it hitting any vital organs then.

[Super Joe]

Think he's been switched off by a sniper, just 30 seconds after the first whistle blew

SJ

[charlesh]

A renegade army officer accused of marshaling a paramilitary force among Thailand's Red Shirt protesters was shot in the head Thursday, apparently by a sniper, an aide said.
The aide who answered Maj. Gen. Khattiya Sawasdiphol's mobile phone described the injury as "severe." The Associated Press called Khattiya's phone after several gunshots and explosions were heard in central Bangkok late Thursday from the vicinity of the area being occupied by the protesters.
"Seh Daeng was shot in the head," said the aide, referring to Khattiya by his nickname. The aide hung up without identifying himself.
It was not possible to verify the aide's claim that Khattiya was shot by a sniper. Calls to police and army spokesmen seeking comment were not answered.
Several Thai media outlets also reported that Khattiya was shot and taken to a hospital. Khattiya is a renegade army major general whom the government has labeled a "terrorist" and a mastermind behind violence from anti-government protesters.
The report of Khattiya's shooting came after sounds of gunfire and at least four explosions, and expectation that security forces could launch a crackdown.
Khattiya, who helped construct the barricades paralyzing downtown Bangkok, was accused of creating a paramilitary force among the anti-government protesters and had vowed to battle against the army if it should launch a crackdown.
He was suspended from the army and his actions made him a fugitive from justice. Yet he has wandered freely through the protest zone, signing autographs just yards (meters) from security forces keeping watch over the protesters.

Autographs could be worth a few Bht now!!!!!! Friendly fire/accidental discharge? as they apparently can't recognise him standing several meters away.