Psychiatry - A Dark Art

[lindosfan1]

Mr plum quoted from an article by.

John Calvin Jones, PhD, JD
Dr. Jones has been working as a professor since graduating from law school in 2001. Combining his training in political science, law, and social justice, his courses and political activism have centered on questions of justice and equity.

Dr. Jones first became aware of the problems of human trafficking and the brutality that links capitalism, war, drugs, and natural resources in the 1980s, but much of his more enlightened understanding is recent, due in part to the work of people like Victor Malarek and Mimi Chakarova.

Currently Dr. Jones is working on a treatise of the problematics of dominant economic and politico-ideological practices in the United States. As well, he is the editor/owner of the website Virtual Citizens.

My comment
Obviously good medical qualifications to enable him to have all this medical knowledge. He owns the website that Mr plum quoted from, could find no details of where he gets his information from

mr plum said
I don't need to defend this at all. When Cocaine, Marijuana, LSD, Speed, Barbiturates, atc.. are denied us and we are carted off to jail for our own protection and the protection of society, how can they then be deemed safe to give to children, when prescribed by a man in a white coat? In fact in some instances FORCED on children. It's obscene. And those who are hurling abuse at someone who presents the truth, do so while drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco. Known poisons. Hmmm...

mplum to whon are you referring.

"Children forced to take cocaine marijauana lsd speed"

Evidence of that comment would be useful.

[Name Taken]

Somebody asked, in another place, about the mental health of ex-pats in Thailand. I decided I wanted to respond. If you are of a sensitive nature, you may find my response scathing. I don't apologize for it.

I'm not a professional psychiatrist, but i do think some of the members of that "other place" are mentally ill.
sorry, i had to post that.

[MrPlum]

I'm not a professional psychiatrist, but i do think some of the members of that "other place" are mentally ill.

Probably went to this school...

[Super Joe]

When you see individuals like LAnative still struggling after years of 'professional' help.

Assume you've fully reviewed his full medical history and have the qualifications to. More irrelevant speculation.

Or the post where the young child was running wild and a whole host of 'professionals' could apparently do nothing to change him.

OMG one child they could not fix. More irrelevant speculation.

Jamie Oliver PROVED that if children are given a nutritious diet and they cut out all the sodas, etc.

Carefully planned and stage-managed television with a pre-set outcome. I wonder if the 50 parents behind the cameras telling their kids to buckle down and concentrate had any effect, or was it just the salad dressing. More irrelevant speculation.

In the U.S. half the prison population have been diagnosed as mentally ill. That's over 1 million people, who's crimes are almost always due to poverty.

"Almost always due to poverty" LOL. More irrelevant speculation.

,,,, why not go and research the subject ,,,,,

Do we have to ? can't we please use your methods and just make stuff up for dramatic effect or cherry-pick extreme isolated incidents we find on the internet that supports our deeply biased views ?

SJ

[LAnative]

Mr Plum is quite accurate on prisoner statistics in the US. OVER half the inmates are there for MINOR drug "offenses" like possesion of small amounts of pot et al. The prisons are so overcrowded that VIOLENT offendeders must be released early because there isn't enough room for them. It is one way the Gov't controls the unemployed who often sell small amounts of drugs on the street to get by. Getting large numbers of unemployed off the streets reduces potential threats to police as well. The gang wars are based on protecting one's territory, where the drugs will be sold and by whom. The actual importers, the drug cartels in the lower Americas do not constitute even a small percentage of inmates. A black man caught with crack ( the cheap form of Cocaine) will nearly always do more time than a white guy caught with powdered coke. This is NOT an islolated incident.
The prison population is far more populated with minorities who come from poor neighborhoods with high unemplyment. The prisoners often do paid labor within the prisons for minimum wage for outside corporations.
The prison industry is VERY lucrative employing prison guards (THE major campaign contributors to Cali elections) Judges, lawyers, prison suppliers, prison construction people, courtroom personnel, investors who purchase prison construction bonds etc. etc. It is all paid for by the taxpayer at about $50.000 per inmate per year. Yet schools can't get enough funding.
Alto' the amount of street drugs that get into the hands of children is small, the MAJOR source of high school drugs comes from medicine cabinets at home, legally prescribed drugs, like painkiller Oxcycotin which is HIGHLY addictive, sleeping pills and mood stabilizers. Fact.
Then there is the drug Ritalin (just a type of speed) prescribed to kids with ADD. Speed has very detrimental effects on the growing brain overstimulating and killing braincells ( first hand experience there). And yet there is no actual research that can prove the existence of ADD.
You don't have to believe any of this SJ. Do a search online. Opposition for the sake of opposition is pointless.

DQ the recipient of a large amount of legal drugs that did virtually nothing.

[lindosfan1]

Sj I did not think you were biased as neither am I, like to think I operate an open mind.
Without souding critical some members on here cannot reply when faced with fact not speculative fiction.

[Super Joe]

Sj I did not think you were biased as neither am I, like to think I operate an open mind. Without souding critical some members on here cannot reply when faced with fact not speculative fiction.

Hi Lindos, agree, it was directed at MrP who IMO can not look at health and medicine issues objectively due to a pre-conceived bias. I should have wrote it clearer.

Cheers,

SJ

[Khundon1975]

Quote:
In the U.S. half the prison population have been diagnosed as mentally ill. That's over 1 million people, who's crimes are almost always due to poverty.

Which is it MrP? mental health = OK to be a criminal, or poverty = OK to be a criminal?
I never could get my head around the later.

Millions of people are bought up in poverty and don't resort to stealing or other criminal activities, they get on their bike and look for work, no matter how menial.

If they are mentally ill then treat them, if they are just thieves that are too lazy to get work, then lock them up.

No one has an automatic right to wealth, it has to be earned, not nicked from someone else.
Anyone who uses a drugs habit as a defence for stealing or other criminal activities has no defence IMHO. Get a job, then you can feed your nose with your own money.

However everyone should have the right to be treated for mental illness even if they are incarcerated for a crime.

Now I will don my hard hat and wait for the excrement to hit the reciprocating cooling element.

[MrPlum]

Quote:
In the U.S. half the prison population have been diagnosed as mentally ill. That's over 1 million people, who's crimes are almost always due to poverty.

Which is it MrP? mental health = OK to be a criminal, or poverty = OK to be a criminal?
I never could get my head around the later.

Millions of people are bought up in poverty and don't resort to stealing or other criminal activities, they get on their bike and look for work, no matter how menial.

If they are mentally ill then treat them, if they are just thieves that are too lazy to get work, then lock them up.

No one has an automatic right to wealth, it has to be earned, not nicked from someone else.
Anyone who uses a drugs habit as a defence for stealing or other criminal activities has no defence IMHO. Get a job, then you can feed your nose with your own money.

However everyone should have the right to be treated for mental illness even if they are incarcerated for a crime.

Now I will don my hard hat and wait for the excrement to hit the reciprocating cooling element.

Why don the hard hat? Seems okay to me.

Most are suffering from 'sticky fingers syndrome'. A definite 'mental disease'. These million 'isolated cases' need the chemical cosh I reckon. That'll learn 'em.

Sabai Jai, I'm sure, knows of the Vipassana program which has been taken into prisons in India, the U.S. and other countries. I have Vipassana teacher friends who are involved in taking it into Spanish prisons. There is a video doing the rounds which is quite inspiring and shows what can be done.

SJ & lindosfan1

You have made your views quite clear several times. If those views were universally held I would desist. But they are not. You seem oblivious to the fact that moderators and other members can debate some of the issues raised without resorting to personal attack. Why can't you?

None of my revelations about the medical system are aimed at you personally. Yes. My views are biased. You act as if no-one can see this for themselves. Do you really think other members aren't seeing it, if you are?

My views HAVE been coloured by negative experience at the hands of the medical profession and I have explained why. If your experiences have been positive then obviously you will not share my perspective. We come from two opposing standpoints. Of course there will be disagreement. How could there not be?

Any information I present is in the public domain. If it's wrong then prove it. Otherwise all you are giving me is YOUR partiality and YOUR opinion, which you are not supporting with any evidence. 'Troll' or 'flame' posts don't suggest open minds to me and they are a violation of forum rules.

lindosfan1. Can you not see, that every time you engage me in fruitless argument you cause the very 'heresy' you wish to stifle, to list top of the 'latest topics' list, thereby, ensuring more people see it? Do you really think this is a productive approach?

Why on earth you cannot see my experience and knowledge of alternative medicine is actually going to save people from making poor choices, is beyond me. You really want them to be suckered by every fad out there? I've been there. Done that. You DON'T have the knowledge or experience to know whether any suggestions I make are dangerous or not, so why on earth are you passing yourself off as some arbiter of what is dangerous or not? You have shown repeatedly that you have no idea what you are talking about. I would not put anyone at risk and I'm offended that you would think so.

I will not respond to any more troll or flame posts. Let the moderators do their job.

[Super Joe]

"Personal attack" MrP, bit of an over-reaction, you've readily admitted your bias. You've been playing that card a lot recently when challenged on the irrelevancy of some of your comments.
I challenge your biased comments because from personal experience and those of others I know have benefited from what you dismiss as a 'dark act', I hope that's ok with you.
Suggest you take your own advice, if you don't like the posts .........

SJ

[lindosfan1]

mr plum said
"Why on earth you cannot see my experience and knowledge of alternative medicine is actually going to save people from making poor choices, is beyond me. You really want them to be suckered by every fad out there? I've been there. Done that. You DON'T have the knowledge or experience to know whether any suggestions I make are dangerous or not, so why on earth are you passing yourself off as some arbiter of what is dangerous or not? You have shown repeatedly that you have no idea what you are talking about. I would not put anyone at risk and I'm offended that you would think so"

You have no qualifications as proven in previous posts you give medical opinions on cases with no knowledge of the case or case history.
You ignore relevanrt information from reliable source preferring misguided evidence from eg a staff nurse instead of the world health organisation. You have shown you have limited knowledge and to referring to what sergnt said you are proven dangerous IMO.
Prove what you say and I may have more respect for you.

[Khundon1975]

Quote:
In the U.S. half the prison population have been diagnosed as mentally ill. That's over 1 million people, who's crimes are almost always due to poverty.

Which is it MrP? mental health = OK to be a criminal, or poverty = OK to be a criminal?
I never could get my head around the later.

Millions of people are bought up in poverty and don't resort to stealing or other criminal activities, they get on their bike and look for work, no matter how menial.

If they are mentally ill then treat them, if they are just thieves that are too lazy to get work, then lock them up.

No one has an automatic right to wealth, it has to be earned, not nicked from someone else.
Anyone who uses a drugs habit as a defence for stealing or other criminal activities has no defence IMHO. Get a job, then you can feed your nose with your own money.

However everyone should have the right to be treated for mental illness even if they are incarcerated for a crime.

Now I will don my hard hat and wait for the excrement to hit the reciprocating cooling element.

Why don the hard hat? Seems okay to me.

Most are suffering from 'sticky fingers syndrome'. A definite 'mental disease'. These million 'isolated cases' need the chemical cosh I reckon. That'll learn 'em.

MrP

I'm even more confused now MrP

Are you saying that poverty is the main cause of mental health problems in the one million plus convicts in the US?

If that is the case I have to disagree. Based on your assumption, then much of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Worlds population who live in or have lived in poverty are suffering Psychiatric problems, which cause them to turn to crime.
I think we both know that not to be the case.

I concede that it (poverty) could be the cause of mental health problems in a small proportion of these criminals but not the millions of people within the prisons, throughout the World.

Or does the rolling eye emotion signify a change in stance on your statement highlighted above?

Lets face it, some people are just plain bad and deserve to be locked up.

[Super Joe]

Yes. My views are biased.
My views HAVE been coloured by negative experience at the hands of the medical profession and I have explained why.

Why on earth you cannot see my experience and knowledge of alternative medicine is actually going to save people from making poor choices, is beyond me.

'Why on earth' I can not see it, oh holy one, is because they are as you say, biased and coloured by your own negative experiences.
Mine, including friends and family members have been positive and negative, therefore I keep an open mind and challenge your blinkered views. Just as you would, and have (rightly so) consistently challenged views by those supporting US/Israel for example. No-one cried foul at you challenging them then and accused you of flaming or trolling.
You admittedly sometimes write controversial OP's to evoke reaction, and that works good on you, but that dishing it out involves taking some back (personal insults excluded).

SJ

[Khundon1975]

LAnative

[quote="LAnative"] It is one way the Gov't controls the unemployed who often sell small amounts of drugs on the street to get by.

That's alright then, sell coke or Heroin to kids to get by.
I got a job to get by as did most of the adult World.
DQ the recipient of a large amount of legal drugs that did virtually nothing.
Are you sure. [/quote]

[LAnative]

K 1975 NOT condoning selling street drugs for survival. Just explaining that in under-educated impoverished areas where the inhabitants CAN'T get a job, many resort to drug sales. These are the prison population majority that fill our prisons. It is NOT just laziness, it is also AVAILABILITY of work.
From what I read here many of the burglary crimes there are done by unemployed construction workers that have no other alternatives. Have been the victim of burlary/theft MANY times myself, do NOT like it or condone it, but at least I understand it as MORE than just laziness. YOU may be able to get a job because of your education and racial majority position, but others are less fortunate.
And yes drugs DID have an effect on me, just not the legal pharmaceutical ones so much. But I grew up watching TV that told us there was a quick fix for everything, just take a pill. So as a naive teenager I did. Legal drug advertising also increases illegal drug sales as some of the drugs sold on the street come from legal prescriptions.

Twat DQ