big boy,
sorry for the cryptics... didn't feel the need to spell it out...
thanks for the vote of confidence.
V.
Code of conduct in the Hua Hin real estate market ?????
, you've only lived here 15 years - how could you possibly have heard of this icon of the community code of conduct
Well, in the interest of transparency which we must have, I am a little lost, too. Khun V.....n, could you please make it a bit clearer that everyone understands.
I'd like to, but I can't do it for you.
pk
I'd like to, but I can't do it for you.
pk
Thanks for that timely intervention PK. As a prospective buyer in the next couple of years I have been encouraged to view what had been said until now.
Now some stranger appears on the forum, and tells us its his game, and he's in charge. This is either a mafia type takeover, or somebody has not been forthcoming with the full truth.
Now some stranger appears on the forum, and tells us its his game, and he's in charge. This is either a mafia type takeover, or somebody has not been forthcoming with the full truth.
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pleaseHey guys, a bit slowly please.
Vaughan has set up the first get together with all the local and provincial authorities about 6 weeks ago at coco 51, and that was in the press as well.
Furthermore when you live here for that long and you are in the property business and have not heard of Hot Properties magazine I am wondering too.
There is absolutely no takeover from a stranger and I also strongly oppose to the mafia comment.
Those are pretty unqualified comments.
Several of the people attending that first meeting are on this forum as well,and knew what is going on.
pk
Vaughan has set up the first get together with all the local and provincial authorities about 6 weeks ago at coco 51, and that was in the press as well.
Furthermore when you live here for that long and you are in the property business and have not heard of Hot Properties magazine I am wondering too.
There is absolutely no takeover from a stranger and I also strongly oppose to the mafia comment.
Those are pretty unqualified comments.
Several of the people attending that first meeting are on this forum as well,and knew what is going on.
pk
PK let me say this once again for about the one millionth time
I have absolutely no, nil, zero, buggeral, zilch interest in property business of any kind whatsoever and never have had (I am buying my house on a mortgage with the siam commercial bank)
my sole interest has been to attempt to make property developers and estate agents tell prospective customers (on this forum and this forum alone) the truth the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth.And taken a lot of flak for doing so.
I wish you all the best in your venture and of course i know the magazine mentioned. That was anything but clear which is why i posted
I have absolutely no, nil, zero, buggeral, zilch interest in property business of any kind whatsoever and never have had (I am buying my house on a mortgage with the siam commercial bank)
my sole interest has been to attempt to make property developers and estate agents tell prospective customers (on this forum and this forum alone) the truth the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth.And taken a lot of flak for doing so.
I wish you all the best in your venture and of course i know the magazine mentioned. That was anything but clear which is why i posted
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If I have upset anybody, it was because of the 'Man of Mystery'/20 Questions type of introduction.
I am not in the property business, I am simply a prospective buyer - obviously watching with extreme interest following some of horror stories that I've heard.
Please remember that Mr Pope may be well known/respected in the property world, but this forum stretches a lot further than that. It seemed very suspicious that somebody introduced themselves at such a late stage in a very cryptic way, expecting to be known by everybody, and claiming that it was their game.
As far as I (and probably many others) knew, this was your thread, and your brainchild. If you had originally stated that you were fronting the thread on behalf of somebody else, it could have saved the confusion.
I will continue to watch with interest, and hope you are successful in your quest.
I am not in the property business, I am simply a prospective buyer - obviously watching with extreme interest following some of horror stories that I've heard.
Please remember that Mr Pope may be well known/respected in the property world, but this forum stretches a lot further than that. It seemed very suspicious that somebody introduced themselves at such a late stage in a very cryptic way, expecting to be known by everybody, and claiming that it was their game.
As far as I (and probably many others) knew, this was your thread, and your brainchild. If you had originally stated that you were fronting the thread on behalf of somebody else, it could have saved the confusion.
I will continue to watch with interest, and hope you are successful in your quest.
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Now Vaughan has clarified who he is, I think most in the property sector here would know him or his publication, obviously some of you who havent been looking at property may not.
I've known him and his wife about 2 years now and find them very professional and genuine people. Their publication has contained various articles from Lawyers giving advice to buyers about how to best protect themselves.
But anyway, no matter who knows who here, the town has an opportunity right now to put together something which will better protect property buyers in the future and regulate developers, which I think everyone wants too see.
We're all welome to contribute towards it as has been said earlier.
SJ
I've known him and his wife about 2 years now and find them very professional and genuine people. Their publication has contained various articles from Lawyers giving advice to buyers about how to best protect themselves.
But anyway, no matter who knows who here, the town has an opportunity right now to put together something which will better protect property buyers in the future and regulate developers, which I think everyone wants too see.
We're all welome to contribute towards it as has been said earlier.
SJ
Throughout this online discussion its been difficult to get clarity on who is trying to run this and for what reason. This thread has materialised from 2 different threads - the water problems of HHS and the thread on business ethics (which was locked). It took 6 pages of posting to establish who instigated the meeting at Coco51. This confusion does not bode well for the future success of a venture like this and I would strongly advise the organisors to take on board Sergent & Big Boys comments about something like this being transparent.
I should say that I'm pleasantly surprised this is not being run by another "newspaperman' and I'm not as skeptical as I was earlier about the intentions. I'm still a little confused though. In a previous thread Zdandan wrote "
Regarding the trade association. I was invited as a "customer" to attend a meeting in April wherebye a number of developers and estate agents were invited to discuss setting up a trade association/regulatory body/developers club. Call it what you will.
The purpose was to self regulate and accepted members would agree to build to an agreed standard. As I'm not an agent, developer, permanent resident or anything to do with anything (except a house owner) I don't know most of who attended or who organised the event.
I do know that in addition to the developers/agents, senior Police officers, the Governor, planning officials and the aforementioned Friar Tuck were there.
I know the "starting point" for the agreed standard was much discussed and the ambition to reach European standard was accepted.
A suggestion was made that the "bad guys", who everybody apparently knows, be made examples of by the Tessaban/Police/Govt and prosecuted and thrown out the country, would immediately force all others to improve standards and reduce scams. This was accepted as wishful thinking by most.
As I had no real input into the ongoing discussion (re setting up agreed standards/membership criteria etc), I bade farewell. I know that no outcome was reached at this first meeting and a further meeting was arranged for this month (May) to progress points under discussion.
Hopefully this will progress to the eventual setting up of a proper professional trade organisation who build to good standards and treat their customers with respect. (wishful thinking probably)
I know what you're all thinking re Police, planners, Governor and developers getting together and "slush fund" comes to my mind.
What I can say is that the Police and council staff appeared to come for their free meal and photo opportunity and during my time there the developers and agents discussed the matter amongst themselves and did not mix with the Police/council at all.
As far as Friar Tuck was concerned, he obviously has some influence about the place. At the beginning of the event, he was given the floor and gave his speech about helping "everybody with house problem"
As soon as HE was finished and someone else took the floor, HE engaged the Police officers in loud conversation and totally ignored the poor chap on the floor who was trying to host the event and progress things.
Very ignorant and very full of his own importance.
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I assume this meeting the same meeting we are talking about.
Here is my suggestion on how this could proceed:
Over the last 6 months Friar Tuck has been listening to all the problems individuals have had regarding property. If there is a record of all these complaints they should be collated and summarised. A list could then be created which would document all the scams local developers and agents have been up to. The regulatory body should then look for ways to avoid developers and agents from being able to repeat these scams in the future and this could be the basis on the new "Code of Conduct Charter".
There are many many things that could be done. One very important improvement could be escrow assistance from the banks or a bank that will support the new regulatory body. Escrow is a legal arrangement in which an asset (such as cash, real property or other tangible assets) is deposited into safekeeping (e.g. a bank account) under the trust of a neutral third party (escrow agent) pending satisfaction of contractual contingency or condition. Once the condition has been met, the escrow agent will deliver the asset to the party prescribed by the contract. The new body could act as the Escrow agent.
I should say that I'm pleasantly surprised this is not being run by another "newspaperman' and I'm not as skeptical as I was earlier about the intentions. I'm still a little confused though. In a previous thread Zdandan wrote "
Regarding the trade association. I was invited as a "customer" to attend a meeting in April wherebye a number of developers and estate agents were invited to discuss setting up a trade association/regulatory body/developers club. Call it what you will.
The purpose was to self regulate and accepted members would agree to build to an agreed standard. As I'm not an agent, developer, permanent resident or anything to do with anything (except a house owner) I don't know most of who attended or who organised the event.
I do know that in addition to the developers/agents, senior Police officers, the Governor, planning officials and the aforementioned Friar Tuck were there.
I know the "starting point" for the agreed standard was much discussed and the ambition to reach European standard was accepted.
A suggestion was made that the "bad guys", who everybody apparently knows, be made examples of by the Tessaban/Police/Govt and prosecuted and thrown out the country, would immediately force all others to improve standards and reduce scams. This was accepted as wishful thinking by most.
As I had no real input into the ongoing discussion (re setting up agreed standards/membership criteria etc), I bade farewell. I know that no outcome was reached at this first meeting and a further meeting was arranged for this month (May) to progress points under discussion.
Hopefully this will progress to the eventual setting up of a proper professional trade organisation who build to good standards and treat their customers with respect. (wishful thinking probably)
I know what you're all thinking re Police, planners, Governor and developers getting together and "slush fund" comes to my mind.
What I can say is that the Police and council staff appeared to come for their free meal and photo opportunity and during my time there the developers and agents discussed the matter amongst themselves and did not mix with the Police/council at all.
As far as Friar Tuck was concerned, he obviously has some influence about the place. At the beginning of the event, he was given the floor and gave his speech about helping "everybody with house problem"
As soon as HE was finished and someone else took the floor, HE engaged the Police officers in loud conversation and totally ignored the poor chap on the floor who was trying to host the event and progress things.
Very ignorant and very full of his own importance.
."
I assume this meeting the same meeting we are talking about.Here is my suggestion on how this could proceed:
Over the last 6 months Friar Tuck has been listening to all the problems individuals have had regarding property. If there is a record of all these complaints they should be collated and summarised. A list could then be created which would document all the scams local developers and agents have been up to. The regulatory body should then look for ways to avoid developers and agents from being able to repeat these scams in the future and this could be the basis on the new "Code of Conduct Charter".
There are many many things that could be done. One very important improvement could be escrow assistance from the banks or a bank that will support the new regulatory body. Escrow is a legal arrangement in which an asset (such as cash, real property or other tangible assets) is deposited into safekeeping (e.g. a bank account) under the trust of a neutral third party (escrow agent) pending satisfaction of contractual contingency or condition. Once the condition has been met, the escrow agent will deliver the asset to the party prescribed by the contract. The new body could act as the Escrow agent.
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Jockey, I think I understand where you are coming. I too think some posts have been too cryptic with the posters thinking they are better known than the case may be. As far as I can gather NO ONE is trying to RUN the show. But someone has to break the ice and introduce the proposition. Khun Peter, is as he said, MD as in Managing Director, of EV, as in Engels and Voelker Real Estate Agents. Vaughan Pope belatedly identified himself in plain English and should take the response to his post as prima facie evidence that he should not pursue a career as a mystery writer.Jockey wrote:Throughout this online discussion its been difficult to get clarity on who is trying to run this and for what reason. This thread has materialised from 2 different threads - the water problems of HHS and the thread on business ethics (which was locked). It took 6 pages of posting to establish who instigated the meeting at Coco51. This confusion does not bode well for the future success of a venture like this and I would strongly advise the organizers to take on board Sergent & Big Boys comments about something like this being transparent.
I should say that I'm pleasantly surprised this is not being run by another "newspaperman' and I'm not as skeptical as I was earlier Here is my suggestion on how this could proceed:
Over the last 6 months Friar Tuck has been listening to all the problems individuals have had regarding property. If there is a record of all these complaints they should be collated and summarised. A list could then be created which would document all the scams local developers and agents have been up to. The regulatory body should then look for ways to avoid developers and agents from being able to repeat these scams in the future and this could be the basis on the new "Code of Conduct Charter".
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There is an obvious need for an organization of HONEST RE Agents and HONEST builders/developers as my own problems and those of many others who have posted on HHAD and had their stories told in HHHotLine demonstrate. No other publication,Big Chilli Hua Hin, Hot Properties Mag, The Observer, or Hua Hin Today has published one negative word about the property industry in HH. It is also evident that people in the area are well aware of the other "newspaperman" and are extremely suspicious of any publication that does not to publish complaints about him and his business practices.
Jockey wrote: Over the last 6 months Friar Tuck has been listening to all the problems individuals have had regarding property. If there is a record of all these complaints they should be collated and summarised.
I think this is one of the best ideas to come out of this thread. 
I know for a fact, having visited the conciliators office a half dozen times on problems with TWO developers and been a fly on the wall as others have presented their complaints, that there is a vast store of information here detailing the many ways people have been victimized. If this information could be accessed rather than protected, that would go a long way in quieting fears that this "association" is a covert scam concocted by the guilty to further pursue their evil 
ends. The problems of REAL people with REAL developers and agents will point out EXACTLY the areas that need immediate attention. No need to discuss the theoretical. Study the ACTUAL.
If this could happen, it would dispel much of the suspicion expressed on this thread.
And if it doesn't happen, it will confirm much of the suspicion expressed on this thread.
and may even scuttle the whole process.HHS
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The second time I did it on my own.
When I finally got to the land of milk and honey, the milkman shot me
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