Absolutely everybody who lives here either permantly, temporarily, visiting workmen and tourists.caller wrote:
And who would the planning benefit?
What does Hua Hin need?
No desire to get into a row about this, but isn't this against the ethos of the place? I understand only too well what you mean - and as I say, I don't live there - but would it be what it is if all those things were in place? Irrespective of the western slant on this?Guess wrote:Absolutely everybody who lives here either permantly, temporarily, visiting workmen and tourists.caller wrote:
And who would the planning benefit?
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Excellent point. What would the Norwegian Fjords really look like if they had been designed Slarty Blartfast.caller wrote:No desire to get into a row about this, but isn't this against the ethos of the place? I understand only too well what you mean - and as I say, I don't live there - but would it be what it is if all those things were in place? Irrespective of the western slant on this?Guess wrote:Absolutely everybody who lives here either permantly, temporarily, visiting workmen and tourists.caller wrote:
And who would the planning benefit?
The thing is that there is no (or appears not to be) any planning whatsoever.
A bit of land is up for grabs. Some Chinese Thai sells it for profit when it reaches the random value that the owner put on it ten years ago and someone builds whatever they fancy without the slightest consideration for neighbours, (I thinks Buksi is the authority on this one), traffic, service provision, aestheticism or even basic.
Town planning can work and can fail miserably and the living proof of this is Utrecht and Milton Keynes.
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Church?
I posted on this once before and never got very far. ..but many months have gone by and HHAD membership has grown and grown and maybe, just maybe other like minded individuals have arrived on the HH scene.
As an expat here for four years now. . .and 99% loving life here and planning to stay. . .I miss most the "comforts of my religion". Yes I have considered becoming Buddhist like my spouse and I go to temples quite willingly on holy days. . .but I am Catholic and really do not see that fact ever changing.
I spent most of my life as a church organist, choir director, soloist, decorator. .I did interior design for two churches plus all the annual decorations and ceremonials for most of my long life. So I know what I'm talking about here.
The local Catholic church is the pits! The liturgy sucks, the Filipinos sing crap and bang tamborines by themselves, the tourists sit there and tap their feet. .nobody can sing that stuff and most dont even try. Thai people, usually with a keen sense of what is beautiful, have not had a hand with what is an ugly, dismally decorated barn. ( The Christmas decorations looked like they were done by a ten year old in a hurry) And now you cant even have a bit of peace before Mass because of someone's decision to constantly blast this musical garbage through loudspeakers. Obviously, I hate the place. Yes I have talked to the pastor. It is a "closed shop". The Filipinos "do" the music, the Thai people around there do the rest. There is no room at the inn for a farang.
To the delight of all you Brits out there, I will admit to longing for a proper Cof E service with hymns I can sing, a decent sermon I can understand, a liturgy that has some dignity and some remote connection to liturgical norms. And that innate British sense of what is proper.. . which the Catholic church everywhere has pretty much lost. .if it indeed ever had it. ( OK, maybe I am really Cof E at heart. .. I have spent enough time in Episcopal/Anglican churches to qualify!)
The point of all this being. . .is there by any chance a retired or passing through clergyperson ( even an expriest would do. ..I know several in other parts of the world) willing to undertake a Sunday service here in HH that might satisfy me and maybe a few others who feel as I do? Need not even be every Sunday.
I know, I know Bangkok is just a few short (?) hours away and there is a perfectly good church there.. .but I would like to see something HERE which is he point of this forum after all.( And don't bother suggesting the fundamentalists in town. .I am more likely to become a Jewish rabbi than to go near them)
As an expat here for four years now. . .and 99% loving life here and planning to stay. . .I miss most the "comforts of my religion". Yes I have considered becoming Buddhist like my spouse and I go to temples quite willingly on holy days. . .but I am Catholic and really do not see that fact ever changing.
I spent most of my life as a church organist, choir director, soloist, decorator. .I did interior design for two churches plus all the annual decorations and ceremonials for most of my long life. So I know what I'm talking about here.
The local Catholic church is the pits! The liturgy sucks, the Filipinos sing crap and bang tamborines by themselves, the tourists sit there and tap their feet. .nobody can sing that stuff and most dont even try. Thai people, usually with a keen sense of what is beautiful, have not had a hand with what is an ugly, dismally decorated barn. ( The Christmas decorations looked like they were done by a ten year old in a hurry) And now you cant even have a bit of peace before Mass because of someone's decision to constantly blast this musical garbage through loudspeakers. Obviously, I hate the place. Yes I have talked to the pastor. It is a "closed shop". The Filipinos "do" the music, the Thai people around there do the rest. There is no room at the inn for a farang.
To the delight of all you Brits out there, I will admit to longing for a proper Cof E service with hymns I can sing, a decent sermon I can understand, a liturgy that has some dignity and some remote connection to liturgical norms. And that innate British sense of what is proper.. . which the Catholic church everywhere has pretty much lost. .if it indeed ever had it. ( OK, maybe I am really Cof E at heart. .. I have spent enough time in Episcopal/Anglican churches to qualify!)
The point of all this being. . .is there by any chance a retired or passing through clergyperson ( even an expriest would do. ..I know several in other parts of the world) willing to undertake a Sunday service here in HH that might satisfy me and maybe a few others who feel as I do? Need not even be every Sunday.
I know, I know Bangkok is just a few short (?) hours away and there is a perfectly good church there.. .but I would like to see something HERE which is he point of this forum after all.( And don't bother suggesting the fundamentalists in town. .I am more likely to become a Jewish rabbi than to go near them)
Short Filipinos
Ignoring Pete's comments ( in truth they are all shorter than me and I am 5'8'. . .yeah, 5'5" is about right)
Their height is not the issue, at issue is their taste in liturgical music which sucks big time. They all are here on performing visas at the local hotels.
This also seems to be a Filipino monopoly in Thailand. .and I am not sure why that is since most Thais will sing at the drop of a hat. . .and sound exactly like the guys making the big bucks on TV.
Anyway, this is just another "gig" for them. Broadway tunes, pop stuff, Mariah Carey, Blue, BGs, church music. ..all the same to them. Only difference is that in church the patrons are not ordering up drinks and trying to dance. (They actually did some Whitney Houston stuff last Easter . . . took me weeks to get over that!)
Oh yeah, they seem to be the largest non-Thai group. Hard to tell nationalities of course, but there are 6 to 8 regulars in charge.
Tomorrow I plan to go to the Thai Mass instead. The music seems much more appropriate (from what I have heard) and I plan to just keep telling myself that it is Latin. . .though my Latin is pretty good and I probably wont be fooled for a minute.
Their height is not the issue, at issue is their taste in liturgical music which sucks big time. They all are here on performing visas at the local hotels.
This also seems to be a Filipino monopoly in Thailand. .and I am not sure why that is since most Thais will sing at the drop of a hat. . .and sound exactly like the guys making the big bucks on TV.
Anyway, this is just another "gig" for them. Broadway tunes, pop stuff, Mariah Carey, Blue, BGs, church music. ..all the same to them. Only difference is that in church the patrons are not ordering up drinks and trying to dance. (They actually did some Whitney Houston stuff last Easter . . . took me weeks to get over that!)
Oh yeah, they seem to be the largest non-Thai group. Hard to tell nationalities of course, but there are 6 to 8 regulars in charge.
Tomorrow I plan to go to the Thai Mass instead. The music seems much more appropriate (from what I have heard) and I plan to just keep telling myself that it is Latin. . .though my Latin is pretty good and I probably wont be fooled for a minute.