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This is exactly why I'm starting to think Thailand would be better off under a military dictatorship. Then they could start introducing some beneficial laws. For example, if you're caught being in possession of a firearm, it's death by firing squad. Anyone demonstrating on the streets could be dealt with in the same way. Anyone opposing the leadership would face the same end as well.

At least that way we'd see the end of the yellows and reds. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

I see the yellows are making demands now as well. Has nobody told them that they are not the ones charged with making decisions?

Even my Thai wife is sick of it all, and is now starting to entertain the idea of us buggering off overseas. Like she says, leaving Thailand does have its advantages........better education for the kids, better health care, and etc. Who knows what will happen, but this is the first time we've felt this way in more than ten years :banghead:
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This is exactly why I'm starting to think Thailand would be better off under a military dictatorship. Then they could start introducing some beneficial laws. For example, if you're caught being in possession of a firearm, it's death by firing squad. Anyone demonstrating on the streets could be dealt with in the same way. Anyone opposing the leadership would face the same end as well.
It doesn't sound much like any country I would want to live in; military dictatorships have been responsible for some of the worst excesses in history.
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They did a damn good job of screwing things up after Toxin was ousted, unfortunately a coalition parliament with politicians that put the country before their own greed is still a pipe dream in Thailand so it looks like this problem will be with us for a long time.
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and the full time score is

Democracy 0 : Mob Rule 2
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Thai Police killed in drive-by shooting :shock:

"It is not clear who was responsible for the attacks, which occurred near where anti-government protesters are camped.

Correspondents say many protest leaders fear the bloodshed will lead to a government crackdown".
- I should ****ing well hope it does!! :cuss:

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This thing is getting so convoluted now, it wouldn't surprise me if the yellow shirts were behind it to derail the road map plan they are so adamantly against....or maybe Seh Daeng who is about to become the first Major General in Thai history to be stripped of rank and sacked.....or an outside chance it was indeed a Red Shirt who wasn't paid this week. :shock: :cuss: Whoever you think it was, pick the opposite and you're probably correct. :roll: Pete :cheers:
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hmmmm.... lets take a step back

shootings and bombings where... the BKK Bank and a bunch of non red protesters. At the same time 5000 more reds decide to take a day trip to Bangkok....and the redshirt leaders are playing for time.....

so who is it MOST likely to have carried out the attacks?

the reds.

see, try not looking for grand conspiracies at every turn.

Real life is much less colourful, much more drab, and always simpler. Its the shabby terrorists rattling their sabres to try to offset the fact they have painted themselves deep into a corner.
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sandman67,

I disagree, don't assume...who has more to lose at this stage?

Could be either side IMHO.
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dont forget the third hand ronins warriars sah deang cant leave that nutter out of the equation
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Yes, seeing as the UDD leadership seem to be moving towards agreement on an election later in the year, there are other parties who obviously want the protests to continue.
I suppose the pro-Thaksin military faction must be the favourites.
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http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3 ... -to-arrest
Army specialist Khattiya Sawasdipol said former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra had telephoned him on Sunday and said he had decided to appoint a second generation of leaders of the UDD to replace the present key leaders, who had agreed to accept the government's road map to national reconciliation.
Looks like the UDD dont want to negotiate...

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Things are heating up again. Today is D day....so they say. Pete :cheers:

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Irked PM says 'rally ends today'
Army may cut power, water at Ratchaprasong

* Published: 12/05/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: News

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has warned the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship to end their protest today and leave their rally site.

Mr Abhisit yesterday said the UDD's decision to continue demonstrating at Ratchaprasong intersection was tantamount to rejecting his reconciliation road map, which he proposed on May 3 to end the political rift and the confrontation between the government and the red shirts.

If the UDD did not end its rally today, then the government has the legitimacy to take the necessary action to restore national security and normalcy in the country, he said in parliament.

"If the situation in the country does not return to normal, it will affect the election. Protesters should return home on May 12."

A source at the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation said the new school term was another reason to clear the area. Most schools are due to resume on Monday.

The source said if UDD leaders do not end their protest today, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban would consult army chief Anupong Paojinda about measures to end the protest.

However, the source said the CRES yesterday did not discuss mobilising security forces against the red shirts.

The new army plans include cutting off water and electricity supplies to the Ratchaprasong area to put more pressure on the red shirts to go home.

Security forces would surround the rally site and prevent more red shirt supporters from taking part.

Red shirt leaders yesterday indicated they would prolong the rally after Mr Suthep, who is in charge of national security and is the CRES director, yesterday morning reported to the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) to hear a complaint filed against him by relatives of those killed and injured in the April 10 bloody clashes between security forces and protesters, which left 25 people dead and more than 800 injured.

The DSI said Nonglak Chaimaen and 13 other people who said they were relatives of those killed and injured on April 10 lodged a complaint with the DSI against Mr Suthep.

The UDD said on Monday it would end the rally after the deputy prime minister turned himself in to the police. However, yesterday their leaders tried to negotiate the conditions of their bail should they face justice as part of yet-to-be-closed deals with the government.

The deals include a stiffening of their demand that authorities must proceed with criminal charges against Mr Suthep for ordering security forces to take action on April 10.

UDD leaders Natthawut Saikua and Jatuporn Prompan told cheering crowds the rally would not disperse as long as Mr Suthep had not turned himself in to either the DSI or to Crime Suppression Division (CSD) police to be "accused" of criminal charges.

They said Mr Suthep appeared at the DSI yesterday just to acknowledge the complaint, not to report to authorities as the accused.

"On the day Mr Suthep reports to authorities as the accused, the red shirt protesters will call off our demonstration on the same day," Mr Natthawut said.

The same condition must be applied to the prime minister once the current House session ends on May 21 and his parliamentary immunity expires, he said.

Mr Jatuporn insisted the protesters wanted to be treated with exactly the same legal standards, especially on the issue of bail.

"If the two [Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep] are allowed to be released on bail upon turning themselves in, then the same bail conditions must be given to the [nine] UDD leaders too," Mr Jatuporn said.

"But if Mr Suthep is not allowed to be released on bail, then we won't request it either."

Weng Tojirakarn, another UDD leader, said the UDD did not accept Mr Suthep appearing at the DSI because the DSI is a part of the CRES, which is supervised by Mr Suthep.

"More importantly, to make us feel confident in the transparency of the judicial system, Mr Suthep should resign from his post first," Mr Weng said.

However, deputy Bangkok police chief Pol Maj Gen Amnuay Nimmano insisted Mr Suthep's surrender to the DSI was a lawful move because the DSI has already taken over the investigation into the April 10 clashes from the police.
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I do not know what the answer is, but what is happening now was completely predictable.
No where in the World do the authorities negotiate with a rampant mob. It has been allowed to continue for far too long, and I cannot see how the Government can now break it up without brute force, and the resultant loss of life. Just how they can do that with the attitude demonstrated by the Police and Military, also escapes me.
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I agree Nereus

The Thai government could always invite a squad of policemen from my country to come clean up the mess. Bangkok will be cleared within 24 hours, although there could be quite a lot of cleaning up to do when the dust settles.

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Apart from inconveniencing another group of legal residents, just what the hell will this achieve?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... chaprasong

CRES to cut power, water at Ratchaprasong

Published: 12/05/2010 at 11:35 AM
Online news: News Updates

Authorities will cut water and power supplies to red-shirt protesters camping around Ratchaprasong area starting at midnight Wednesday to pressure them to end the anti-government rally and return home, Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) spokesman Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd said on Wednesday.

Telephone signal will also be cut off, he said.

In addition, buses, trains and waterway services around the site will be blocked.

"We will also block their food supply," Col Sansern said.

Those living in the area as well as embassies would be affected by this measure, he added.
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