Does that make you feel a bit more comfortable with the make-up of it ? It did me.
Sorry Joe - the answer is a definite no. I'm just wondering how many brown envelopes it will take to keep a business alive once its in place. Its not the figurehead who has power, its the person or people who appointed the figurehead. This 'solution' is nowhere near the aspirations of most of the posters on this thread (I assume).
I agree with Buksida's first post on this thread.
Code of conduct in the Hua Hin real estate market ?????
I think many will be happy with it. There's some who would never embrace it no matter what.
Most want people who will be resolving the disputes, the Lawyers and Architects/Engneers, to not have not been involved with the local businesses to date. Ie: Impartial.
They're going to get that if all that has been said materialises.
SJ
Most want people who will be resolving the disputes, the Lawyers and Architects/Engneers, to not have not been involved with the local businesses to date. Ie: Impartial.
They're going to get that if all that has been said materialises.
SJ
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load of s"""E
sorry farangs but HH is run by a few Thai familys, who 1) own 90% of the LAND.
2)RUN 100% of Municipality.
3) RUN 100% LAND department.
4) RUN 100% Police force.
even if you read the local news "there is serious encroachment on the KINGS LAND" they cant sort out, so what they care about a few farangs, cheating a few farangs.
unless money is involved- all the ABOVE will get richer.
especially when farangs are paying over 1000% more for land than its worth.
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3. The committee will only contain people who have not been involved with the local property market to date. (WHO EVERYONE IS"
4. Head of committee will be the Architect/Chief Engineer who does all the Royal's work. He only works for them. "HES THAI CAN BE CORRUPTED"
5. Members of the committee will comprise of local authority officials (land office and the like) and 'highly-rated' Lawyers, Architects, Engineers from Bangkok"MORE CORRUPTION FROM THERE THAN HERE"
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Sorry to sound cynical but if this is being run and managed solely by Thais then there is one obvious weakness in the system .... "Mai Pen Rai" (?) and corruption will stuff this even before its started. Two things I have learned through doing business in BKK is that Thais dont like getting adversarial, and they will sell you out for pocket change.
Id love it if you proved me wrong though
As I said, 10 minutes research using Google and I found 2 good examples. I have both documents in PDF format - PM me if you want them. One is a UK Code of Practice, and one is Australian (Queensland) law.Any suggestions as to what the rules for the agents should be???
Sorry to sound cynical but if this is being run and managed solely by Thais then there is one obvious weakness in the system .... "Mai Pen Rai" (?) and corruption will stuff this even before its started. Two things I have learned through doing business in BKK is that Thais dont like getting adversarial, and they will sell you out for pocket change.
Id love it if you proved me wrong though
"Science flew men to the moon. Religion flew men into buildings."
"To sin by silence makes cowards of men."
"To sin by silence makes cowards of men."
Well, the things seems shifting to the corruption problems.
I am in Asia now for over 30 years, Taiwan/Hongkong/Singapore/Malaysia/Thailand and I encountered quite some. However, the question is what is corruption? Corruption normally is to get something which you legally cannot get. So, why would you do that if you could get it legally? May be because your request is not in the legat framework???
Corruption is sometimes also misinterpreted by the meaning of commission. For example, you see a nice beachfront plot of land and want to find the owner. Who you contact? The Or Bor Thor. For the service of giving you the contact he askes for something. Is that corruption? I think that is rather a thing of referral commission.
I think we have to be careful with this corruption thing, as if we do everything by the book there is no such thing as corruption. And also I have lived in Thailand long enough to know that not every Thai is corrupt and that there are many wanting to get things right for the future of Thailand, especially the new educated generation.
We built quite some number of properties in Thailand ourselves and did not have to pay any penny in so called corruption to get things smoothed down. Why, because we complied to any requirements and there was no reason for anyone to ask for anything. However, I do agree it might take a little bit longer than with a little red envelope, which we have to avoid by any means as it is in local interest as well not to have the Hua Hins name in a bad reputation.
good night pk
I am in Asia now for over 30 years, Taiwan/Hongkong/Singapore/Malaysia/Thailand and I encountered quite some. However, the question is what is corruption? Corruption normally is to get something which you legally cannot get. So, why would you do that if you could get it legally? May be because your request is not in the legat framework???
Corruption is sometimes also misinterpreted by the meaning of commission. For example, you see a nice beachfront plot of land and want to find the owner. Who you contact? The Or Bor Thor. For the service of giving you the contact he askes for something. Is that corruption? I think that is rather a thing of referral commission.
I think we have to be careful with this corruption thing, as if we do everything by the book there is no such thing as corruption. And also I have lived in Thailand long enough to know that not every Thai is corrupt and that there are many wanting to get things right for the future of Thailand, especially the new educated generation.
We built quite some number of properties in Thailand ourselves and did not have to pay any penny in so called corruption to get things smoothed down. Why, because we complied to any requirements and there was no reason for anyone to ask for anything. However, I do agree it might take a little bit longer than with a little red envelope, which we have to avoid by any means as it is in local interest as well not to have the Hua Hins name in a bad reputation.
good night pk
Sorry, but just in the shower another point came to mind which we all should not forget.
We are guests in this country and also should behave like that. We all choose to be here for whatever reason, but I do think we have to respect their way of doing things as well, even if it does not always comply with our thinking. We should always bring our thoughts to them in a reasonable manner and try to convince them of the better of our thoughts.
But I think blaming and pointing fingers only because some could not get what they want does not help anyone. We all have to work together to get this going and I am sure if presented properly the "provincial" government will kick in, and if they do, the local has no choice but to follow.
Now for sure good night
We are guests in this country and also should behave like that. We all choose to be here for whatever reason, but I do think we have to respect their way of doing things as well, even if it does not always comply with our thinking. We should always bring our thoughts to them in a reasonable manner and try to convince them of the better of our thoughts.
But I think blaming and pointing fingers only because some could not get what they want does not help anyone. We all have to work together to get this going and I am sure if presented properly the "provincial" government will kick in, and if they do, the local has no choice but to follow.
Now for sure good night
I concur with Jockey it seems to me as an impartial NON vested interested poster that he is correct it is starting to fall into 2 camps xenophobes to the left and naives to the right.
If the xenophobes rule it will turn into a farang only talking shop that will be unable to give even a romantic suck let alone have any bite, which it must have to have even half a chance of success.
At worst it will give the cowboys, charlatans and conmen a lovely addition with “member of the awe gusto body” slapped across the bottom of their business cards because they don’t give a rats about silly things like the legal process they are hardly going to bother about a quangos self imposed rules.
To the xenophobes that go on about low standard of education here, here is an opportunity to teach them so lets lock them out what a wonderfully thought out educated view.
The naives while their hearts are in the right place have to bear in mind, hand it over to the Thaïs en bloc and corruption will rule. It must have really good financial incentives for the Thai members because they don’t do owt for nowt and who is going to pay for it??
Getting the balance right is going to be extremely difficult and full respect from me to those trying.
One point to remember, it isn’t just the Thais who accept and pay for favors the farangs are quite good at quid pro quo
Quote Corruption is sometimes also misinterpreted by the meaning of commission. For example, you see a nice beachfront plot of land and want to find the owner. Who you contact? The Or Bor Thor. For the service of giving you the contact he askes for something. Is that corruption? I think that is rather a thing of referral commission.
Maybe the guy who donated soi 102 rent free just wanted to contact the immigration office.
Quote We are guests in this country and also should behave like that. We all choose to be here for whatever reason, but I do think we have to respect their way of doing things as well, even if it does not always comply with our thinking. We should always bring our thoughts to them in a reasonable manner and try to convince them of the better of our thoughts.
Halleluiah Halleluiah amen to that
If the xenophobes rule it will turn into a farang only talking shop that will be unable to give even a romantic suck let alone have any bite, which it must have to have even half a chance of success.
At worst it will give the cowboys, charlatans and conmen a lovely addition with “member of the awe gusto body” slapped across the bottom of their business cards because they don’t give a rats about silly things like the legal process they are hardly going to bother about a quangos self imposed rules.
To the xenophobes that go on about low standard of education here, here is an opportunity to teach them so lets lock them out what a wonderfully thought out educated view.
The naives while their hearts are in the right place have to bear in mind, hand it over to the Thaïs en bloc and corruption will rule. It must have really good financial incentives for the Thai members because they don’t do owt for nowt and who is going to pay for it??
Getting the balance right is going to be extremely difficult and full respect from me to those trying.
One point to remember, it isn’t just the Thais who accept and pay for favors the farangs are quite good at quid pro quo
Quote Corruption is sometimes also misinterpreted by the meaning of commission. For example, you see a nice beachfront plot of land and want to find the owner. Who you contact? The Or Bor Thor. For the service of giving you the contact he askes for something. Is that corruption? I think that is rather a thing of referral commission.
Maybe the guy who donated soi 102 rent free just wanted to contact the immigration office.
Quote We are guests in this country and also should behave like that. We all choose to be here for whatever reason, but I do think we have to respect their way of doing things as well, even if it does not always comply with our thinking. We should always bring our thoughts to them in a reasonable manner and try to convince them of the better of our thoughts.
Halleluiah Halleluiah amen to that
A Greatfull Guest of Thailand
I respect the amount of work going into this by a few people and wish them all the best.
The input from everyone is assisting them to get everything right so please dont stop posting.
I mentioned before that to be a member of this organisation would be good for each business.
If the organisation turns out to be just a bunch of crooks it wont take long for word to get around and to be a member would be detrimental to their businesses. (HHAD Forum would see to that.)
I personally think that real estate agents should leave this alone and start their own organisation. They could have a code of conduct which includes things like false advertising, trust accounts for deposits etc. They should not get involved with the building side of things unless they are also developers.
The input from everyone is assisting them to get everything right so please dont stop posting.
I mentioned before that to be a member of this organisation would be good for each business.
If the organisation turns out to be just a bunch of crooks it wont take long for word to get around and to be a member would be detrimental to their businesses. (HHAD Forum would see to that.)
I personally think that real estate agents should leave this alone and start their own organisation. They could have a code of conduct which includes things like false advertising, trust accounts for deposits etc. They should not get involved with the building side of things unless they are also developers.
You only live once.
Well, if we don't try we would never know whether it worked.
With a negative attitude towards things nothing would happen, so I think for the better to have an open and positive approach and just try, and with
constructive positive input from everybody I am convinced that we could get it to work.
pk
With a negative attitude towards things nothing would happen, so I think for the better to have an open and positive approach and just try, and with
constructive positive input from everybody I am convinced that we could get it to work.
pk
Pk unfortuneately you have a huge task ahead, but i feel that a few negative comments are necessary and constructive (if you can see what i mean)
i agree with ozuncle when he says that estate agents shouldnt be involved, they are NOT builders and could complicate things, i also feel that the local govt/ municipal involvement/any govt/political etc is a bad thing.
changing the comittee members regularly is pointless,and will prove impossible.
in reality what should happen is an independant COMPANY, starts up the organisation and runs it like a business.
it needs to be run as a business or it will just fade and die.
the set-up really does not need to be huge. 7-8 people to start with.
1-2 boss - engineer/ quantity surveyor or the likes.
3-4 building inspectors - on site periodical inspections during construction.
2-3 office workers - secretary/ cleaner/documentation etc.
a construction company pays them to ensure the quality on their site is upto the standards they set.
if the quality is good then it recieves the companies stamp/gold star/ blah blah.
the company issues a certificate to the builder/ which acts as a guarantee to any buyer that the building is of a certain standard.
if anything goes wrong then the client goes to the company and the company then gets the builder to sort it out.
simple really.
maybe
anyway good luck
i agree with ozuncle when he says that estate agents shouldnt be involved, they are NOT builders and could complicate things, i also feel that the local govt/ municipal involvement/any govt/political etc is a bad thing.
changing the comittee members regularly is pointless,and will prove impossible.
in reality what should happen is an independant COMPANY, starts up the organisation and runs it like a business.
it needs to be run as a business or it will just fade and die.
the set-up really does not need to be huge. 7-8 people to start with.
1-2 boss - engineer/ quantity surveyor or the likes.
3-4 building inspectors - on site periodical inspections during construction.
2-3 office workers - secretary/ cleaner/documentation etc.
a construction company pays them to ensure the quality on their site is upto the standards they set.
if the quality is good then it recieves the companies stamp/gold star/ blah blah.
the company issues a certificate to the builder/ which acts as a guarantee to any buyer that the building is of a certain standard.
if anything goes wrong then the client goes to the company and the company then gets the builder to sort it out.
simple really.
maybe
anyway good luck
"All the otters don't understand me"
"We might make you bother"
"We might make you bother"
Splitlid - good suggestion - something like that might work but here are the potential problems:
The company is ignored by developers and has the clout of a sparrows fart.
Only 1 Ferang work permit or 2 if 4 million baht company.
Chicken & Egg - who will pay the company? Developers I presume in order to be their approved list? Who will be first to pay? I can't see it somehow. Didn't Marlon Brando think something like that in the Godfather?
The "company" decides to branch out and becomes a Real Estate agent (isn't all the bar owners in Hua Hin doing the same)[/list]
The company is ignored by developers and has the clout of a sparrows fart.
Only 1 Ferang work permit or 2 if 4 million baht company.
Chicken & Egg - who will pay the company? Developers I presume in order to be their approved list? Who will be first to pay? I can't see it somehow. Didn't Marlon Brando think something like that in the Godfather?
The "company" decides to branch out and becomes a Real Estate agent (isn't all the bar owners in Hua Hin doing the same)[/list]
Jockey wrote:Splitlid - good suggestion - something like that might work but here are the potential problems:
The company is ignored by developers and has the clout of a sparrows fart.
quiet possible but i feel that once the company was recoginsed by a few as being good for thier business then it could take off. with the power of a ostrich fart
Only 1 Ferang work permit or 2 if 4 million baht company.
really only needs 2 farangs max the rest are thai
Chicken & Egg - who will pay the company? Developers I presume in order to be their approved list? Who will be first to pay? I can't see it somehow. Didn't Marlon Brando think something like that in the Godfather?
yes the developers will pay/how do you think the one being set up now will run?
The "company" decides to branch out and becomes a Real Estate agent (isn't all the bar owners in Hua Hin doing the same)possibly but this company isnt set up by joe the ex-car dealer from dagenham.its set up by professionals[/list]
"All the otters don't understand me"
"We might make you bother"
"We might make you bother"
criteria for acceptance into the group:
must have built at least one house to minimal standard.
must past test on building regs.
diffrent awards for different quality/guarantees etc.
possibly, bronze, silver, gold , platinum.
this makes it possible for most to be a member but the customer then decides what level of quality they want.
each award gives the customer satisfaction they are getting a quality build.
must have built at least one house to minimal standard.
must past test on building regs.
diffrent awards for different quality/guarantees etc.
possibly, bronze, silver, gold , platinum.
this makes it possible for most to be a member but the customer then decides what level of quality they want.
each award gives the customer satisfaction they are getting a quality build.
"All the otters don't understand me"
"We might make you bother"
"We might make you bother"
Well, interesting alternative.
Question: Who should run this company? Who will initially do the funding?
An independent company always tries to make profits, should this company also make profits? Should that company be a set up by many developers joining and being shareholders?
As said interesting, but feasable?? Questionmark ??
Regarding developers, it is not only the construction standards and quality it also concerns titles. Thorough titeldeed surches are to be done. Is the developer keeping promises of delivering infrastructure, maintenance, providing guarantees aso. Should this company also take care of all these matters?
I will be a little provocative now, and turn the stick around and suggest, that if all the agents get together and agree to only list and promote developments which conform to, lets say 10 criteria (this number can be anything), which have to be pretty stiff, then we would not need such a company or government involvement or whatever body, just an agents association, agreeing to a certain code of conduct.
I know, may be wishful thinking, but may be worth a though, too.
pk
Question: Who should run this company? Who will initially do the funding?
An independent company always tries to make profits, should this company also make profits? Should that company be a set up by many developers joining and being shareholders?
As said interesting, but feasable?? Questionmark ??
Regarding developers, it is not only the construction standards and quality it also concerns titles. Thorough titeldeed surches are to be done. Is the developer keeping promises of delivering infrastructure, maintenance, providing guarantees aso. Should this company also take care of all these matters?
I will be a little provocative now, and turn the stick around and suggest, that if all the agents get together and agree to only list and promote developments which conform to, lets say 10 criteria (this number can be anything), which have to be pretty stiff, then we would not need such a company or government involvement or whatever body, just an agents association, agreeing to a certain code of conduct.
I know, may be wishful thinking, but may be worth a though, too.
pk