Hua Hin property professionals unite

[margaretcarnes]

HHSimon - whatever problems you may have had with others, presumably clients, I would seriously think twice about offering to make e mails - or any correspondence - from clients available to Joe Public.
IMO it is not ethical, even if names are removed.
Strict codes of practice prevent such disclosures in other countries, and any farang in LOS dealing with clients in a professional capacity should surely try to maintain the same standard.

[norm]

I'm confused. I was one of the consumers attending the meeting and I for one did not hear any vote being taken for representative of the consumer group.

But then my hearing is quite bad so perhaps I missed it. But it appears to me that someone took it upon themself to appoint a spokesman.

Perhaps some of the other consumers that attended can clearify this.

[T.I.G.R.]

Norm isn't confused at all.

Despite the minutes of the meeting apparently being published before they were reviewed by the attendees there was a very small group of consumers represented, and no vote or mention of a leader the the group was discussed.

I just finished emailing Vaughn, who chaired the meeting letting him know that somehow my name was left off the list of attendees and asking him how it was that HHS was named representative of the group, which I was a part of. I'm sure we'll see a response soon.

I would like to point out, as several of you have done already, that most of the responders to these threads were remarkably absent. If you want to grouse about the process don't you think you owe it to all of us to participate in it?

Norm and I are happily living in our permanent homes now, but not without going through the difficult processes that lead to this organization being formed. We have little to gain, but felt the obligation on behalf of future buyers to participate. The more consumer participants there are, the more likely you will have a happier experience when you do buy.

[Farang]

To me any grouping of the "Pros aka Perps in the land/housae scheeme chouild be kept ou of the deal. This is merely an attempt to protect the people who perp the issues.......

I support HHSimon for leader of a new group to speak out for all the vics of this bad stuff!

One was wrong! This is alacritous, indeed. However, 'twas neither reply nor an answer, alas!

[ozuncle]

I had a couple come to the restaurant last night.
They ordered up big. Two entrees, Three mains and two Singha's.
Half way through the mains I got the message that the lady had returned the Green Chicken Curry half eaten complaining to the waitress that she had spent a lot of time in Thailand and this was the worst green curry she had ever tasted! Too sweet and not authentic.
I was too busy to attend to the matter at that time but later the Gent came to pay the bill and the lady went to the loo.
I was prepared to not charge them for the curry, apologise for them not liking it and give them a voucher for next time they could come. ( I dont like arguing.)
As soon as I mentioned Green Curry to the gent he apologised profuseley, said he thought it was good and explained that some people seem to need to complain about everything!
He insisted on paying the full bill and indicated that he has to put up with this problem all the time and he gets very embarrased by it.
My point.
It is all very well having disgruntled consumers in the organisation but I hope it doesnt take too long for you to weed out the serial complainers so that they dont waste your time in acheiving your goal.
Once again, good luck.

[Super Joe]

'weed out' !?!? we've promoted ours

[Big Boy]

T.I.G.R. wrote:

I would like to point out, as several of you have done already, that most of the responders to these threads were remarkably absent. If you want to grouse about the process don't you think you owe it to all of us to participate in it?

I was in communication with PKBCXKT before the meeting, and believe I was about to be invited. However, the meeting was being held on my last full day in Hua Hin. I declined any participation on the grounds that I wouldn't want to start something that I couldn't finish.

This does not mean that as a prospective future buyer I am not interested in the success of this initiative. I am just trusting those better placed to look after my interests.

I do not believe that my lack of direct action (and I am very grateful to those giving up their valuable time free of charge for all of us) negates me from commenting wherever I feel appropriate from the UK.

[crazy88]

I don't remember voting for a developers spokesman either (I was fashionably late by 10 minutes) although the one we have seems perfectly capable of the job .

As for HHS he has seen both sides of the tracks .Some years ago he worked in the industry in Hua Hin and therefore has a grounding knowledge of how things should be done as well as how they shouldn't .Up to the consumer group .

How do I find our private forum BTW ?

Crazy 88

[crazy88]

Well someones got to say it .Fishboy your'e a **** .If you want to whack off online try a porn site .

Crazy 88

[johnnyk]

Well someones got to say it .Fishboy your'e a **** .If you want to whack off online try a porn site .

Crazy 88

his momma put parental controls on the computer so he's here instead

[Super Joe]

That's interesting Simon, what were you a developer or an agent ?
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[VCP]

Crazy 88, the private forum is only visible when you PM Lev, with your name, phone number, email address, and company you're with for verification.

he will then authorize you to view the thread.

[huahinsimon]

That's interesting Simon, what were you a developer or an agent ?
.

Been reading Dostoevsky lately? From the list of leading questions you pm'ed me its clear, Oh Grand Inquisitor, you've been consorting with your developer friends and want to put your friendly consumer advocate on the rack.
Let me suggest, Roskolnikov, that the more appropriate tome would be "Crime and Punishment."

"Simon, were you a developer or an agent?"

It's not an either/or world, Joe. I was neither a developer nor an agent. I was a CPM, customer project manager. My job was to make progress reports to customers and answer their questions via emails.

previously you wrote

HHS,
Not interested in emails, details, names,photos etc. I think there are fundamental issues that you should have mentioned if you were to give a balanced view.

I now understand that your "fundamental" issue, if I am "to be straight," is my past experience in the property market here in HH. I will tell you all, even though you have stated you are not interested in "details."

When my developer failed to complete my home by Dec 2005 (I had sold my home in Hawaii WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE to pay him, MAKING ME NOW HOMELESS), I needed a place to live. He needed someone with better English skills than his own to communicate with his customers. I suggested that he needed me. I was an office poge, Joe.

My developer had, imo, a very good contract. I concentrated on project progress reports and "contract compliance." I spent 3 months trying to establish a system of contract compliance, beginning with the "Notice of Completion," in which the developer certified that a building milestone had been completed and he was issuing an invoice requesting payment. Even though the contract required the "Notice of Completion" none, to my knowledge, had ever been issued prior to my employment- only invoices demanding payment were sent. I created the "Notice of Completion" form.

This is how I got into deep doo-doo myself, paying invoices for work that had not been done. I know of no customer who ever requested a Notice of Completion. That's a major problem. Most customers living back in Europe or North America TRUST (fools that we be) that the work has been done when a developer sends an invoice for payment, after all the developer had become our best friend.

That is the industry experience Crazy 88 refers to. I had an inside seat in the workings of one developer's operation. Why he let me in the door while continuing to delay the building of my home, I will never know. As a member of the consumer group, I will use the knowledge I gained through personal disaster and my experince with contracts and contract compliance to help formulate guidelines for the association to better protect the interests of the consumer.

If this association gets born and is successful in creating standards and guidelines which inspire consumer confidence and reduce the number of horror stories in the international press and now beginning to proliferate on the internet, it will greatly benefit the image of HH and the building trades here by reducing, as ozuncle likes to call people like me, the chronic complainers. Maybe you'd be chronic too if you were separated from more than 250,000AUD's

HHS

[Super Joe]

Oh Grand Inquisitor

As you have been asking me for advice and quite vocal on here, I think it's only fair I can ask about things I've heard and read.
Seeing as you have been very critical of the property industry here, and there is plenty of criticism warranted, I think you should have let us know you were previously working in that industry too. Transparency and all that, but your choice.
What is also good for transparency is that yourself and others that have had issues be allowed to participate in the forming of the association and not kept quiet.

Cheers,

SJ

[charlesh]

Great that a few have got together to at least talk about issues that effect them and their long term sustainability. I am a little jaundiced at some of the enshrined self regulation groups here in Oz eg. doctors/lawyers. A veritable law unto themselves.
Attempts to regulate problems and groups only seem to add to the confusion as processes become that convuluted and bottled up with endless mediation and documentary activities designed to keep a myriad of beaurecrat noses in troughs and people in the loop.
Pity that bad apples can't be identified and villified. Bring back the stocks and tar and feathering I say!
Charles H