Pavilion and Chutikran

[dtaai-maai]

offset foundations (I was watching the places going up)

the buyers were watching it too. so when they saw this they got an engineer in to produce a survey and refused to pay the next staged payment. right ?

if their floors really are sinking (as someone said earlier), ie: the infill slab dropping then they'll have a concrete ( ) case
if actual foundations are sinking (columns dropping) they'll know about it from major cracks in the house, same same re: lawyer.

back home we have a structural survey carried out, here i dont know one
buyer who has. if just one buyer on each project had, it could be published on places like here and everyone would know the actual standard of that development. it would force developers rankinglow to up their standards.

alternatively buyers could just post a million and one complaints on here (i'm sure Lev doesn't mind)
let's see how that goes, and give it time it's only been going on for 3 years so far
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Joe, I did make the point that many buyers can't see their houses being built. Many others wouldn't know what they were looking at if they did.

I also made the point that people should employ professionals to look after their interests, just as they would at home.

I'm not entirely sure why you're being so defensive. This thread is about one developer. I'm not aware of hundreds of other similar threads over the last few months or years. What posts there have been about buying land, substandard developments, getting your own place built, materials, insulation, etc. etc. have taught me quite a bit about what to look for and what to avoid.

You may be quite right about legal action, and with the benefit of constructive ( ) advice/criticism from people like you, who know something about the trade here, maybe it will happen.

[interested]

hi interested if you are planning or buying a house any where in hua hin or thailand then i would say to you do lots of research into the property before hand! even better if you buy off plan and can manage to be there quite abit whilst it is being built then you can try to avoid the little lashes that the thais sometimes do! im not saying that they build very bad houses as what you pay for in hua hin or thailand in general is what you will get! lets just say if the thais were to build a house in england many people would not want it. like i say you pay for what you get and i am more than happy with my house. as for the pavillion the houses do look very nice up there but like you mention it is going to take very long time to build them and im almost sure she is building to order. so thats not a good thing if other people are not buying you will be left living on a huge site with only 10 or so houses built and dodging the workers all day. the best thing i can say is go up and have a look around them and if ning is up there mention that you know mr alan or mr jim who live on chutikran. hope this help mate.

Alan kindly sent me this it seems that he is happy with his home

[alan]

hi interested yes as i said i am more than happy with my house in chutikran obviousley there were teething problems at 1st as you get with moving into any new house. i was just trying to answer your previous question about the possibility of you wanting to buy a house on the pavillion project. hope ive helped you a little.

[Super Joe]

sorry dtaii-maii it looks like my post was aimed at you because i quoted your comment at the top, but it was aimed at buyers and on all projects. Badly written/wroten/rotten.
It just amazes me how they can have a house built over here and not even oversee it or pay someone professional too if they cant.
if they'd done it there would be a complete database on whats what available for new buyers.
Again, apologies it reads as though its aimed at you and youve only rented not bought.

Cheers

[fairless]

fairless do you yourself own a house on the estate then?

Alan

Sorry been busy

Yes I do own property on the site which is why I posted the comments having had 1st hand experience

[Cowtown Comedy]

I'm quite happy to be neither a developer nor a homeowner. I was however, previously in the black trouser (estate agent) business. On the developer side, I was quite amazed in the variations of quality, or lack there of. There was definately no system of quality control. I was somewhat more impressed with the dev who took you to meet homeowners who had previously purchased their product. I was reluctant to promote a product from a dev who had all the fancy flags and banners, but nothing more to prove. One the buyer side, it was astonishing how quickly people were making buying decisions, having done little or no research about the developer or the market. Would these decisions have been made so quickly in their own countries? I think not.

[nevets]

Alan , please dont say all Thai builders are no good , this is not true there are some very good ones out there. My own house was done very good 6yrs ago and the Thai builder has many good quality shops and car show rooms still standing you can see along the Petchkasim road . If you want to see my house you are welcome any time as is any other people.

[STEVE G]

Nevets, as you say there are obviously some good Thai builders around but I think one of the major problems with construction in the area has been that many of the people who were doing the job during the boom were not builders, they were farmers with either local experience building wooden houses or a bit of labouring on tower blocks in Bangkok.
My partner often bumped into people from her area of Issan who were building on sites in Hua Hin and these people were not skilled tradesmen, this would be alright if they were being employed as laboureres but they weren’t, they were building.
Another problem has been that contractors were being paid amounts to build houses by some unscrupulous developers that really meant they had no chance of doing a good job with the money available.

[nevets]

Steve g. This is true unfortunately , there are bad tradesmen giving a trade a bad name all the time . I am in the electrical game my self ,there are a few bad ones about and a lot of good ones . But its the bad ones get the publicity
and do an industry much harm as in the HH property sector. The Thai have been building for a long time and should be learning from outsiders but it appears that the outsiders wont to cut corners and not do a good job, and so the Thai doing the learning will not get better .

[alan]

hi nevets i didnt set out to say that all thai builders were bad. i was just explaining that there are some non skilled thai builders out there. as is the case anywhere you will go in the world. i was just saying that if you have the opportunity to oversea your house being built on a daily basis then this is obviousley the best way to correct any mistakes there and then i.e as alan my neighbour was dong when he was having his house built on chutikran. i didnt mean to offend any one in my last post.

[nevets]

I was not offended , just pointing out all Thai builders are not bad at what they do , same as non Thai builders.

[fairless]

Alan and fairless, I am interested in your comments as I am thinking of purchasing a holiday home on the pavillion development.

Can I ask what steps have you taken to negotiate a remedy with the developer? Are you permenent residents or like me do you use your properties as holiday/rental homes?

I have been shown around Chutikran 3 (near the elephant village) by an agent and to be honest I did'nt think it was bad, although I cannot comment on the house build and promised facilities.

It was far nicer than the estate around the corner, and a lot of others obviously there are better looking estates but you get what you pay for.

To be quite frank the main reason that I would not buy at pavilion is that I cannot see it being finished for a few years and do not wish to live on a building site for the forseeable future.

Other than that the show homes looked of an acceptable standard.

Do you know if the developer is in a position to respond on the forum?

There is nothing wrong with buying one of the houses on Chutikran. This is now quite a nice estate because the owners who purchased have rectified most of the problems.

These properties are now good value.

I do not agree with the comments about serious structual problems. Not to my knowledge.

Most people in Chutikran get on very well with each other and are content. The work has been organised by the owners NOT the developer.
Everyone gets on fine it's just the lady developer that no one wants to talk to.
Let her live behind her big wall with no friends !!!!

If you are looking for holiday home you could do a lot worse than buying from current occupier at Chutikran.

If you buy at Pavilion you are very likly to have problems as she cannot be trusted.

Learn from others experience just don't negotiate directly with her.

Hope this helps.

[Jockey]

There is nothing wrong with buying one of the houses on Chutikran. This is now quite a nice estate because the owners who purchased have rectified most of the problems.

These properties are now good value.

I do not agree with the comments about serious structual problems. Not to my knowledge.

Most people in Chutikran get on very well with each other and are content. The work has been organised by the owners NOT the developer.
Everyone gets on fine it's just the lady developer that no one wants to talk to.
Let her live behind her big wall with no friends !!!!

If you are looking for holiday home you could do a lot worse than buying from current occupier at Chutikran.

If you buy at Pavilion you are very likly to have problems as she cannot be trusted.

Learn from others experience just don't negotiate directly with her.

Hope this helps.

Fairless - that's exactly what I thought. Thanks for the clarification.

[JW]

In every estate you will get owners who have disagreements and issues - but often with their actions they actually actually devalue their own estate in, and in the cases where people do want to sell make it very difficult.

One of the best complete estates is just south of Hua Hin - yes the developer had some trouble with several buyers and houses were late.. but all of the properties are complete and to an excellent standard. Many of the owners keep complaining - talking bad about their own site. One has even painted their house a terrible colour. This house actually cheapens the whole estate - if i owned there i would be very unhappy with this and the general negative chit chat on the estate.

The majority on the site do actually appreciate that they have one of the best properties built here in Hua Hin - if the rest did they would enjoy their lives a whole lot more.

There are very few estates that havent had clients who fall out with the developer, or have water supply problems or some other issues - isnt that pretty much the same the world over?

[interested]

Hello,

This is really a question that I think I know the answer to; someone mentioned in an earlier thread that if (using the woman at Chutikran as an example) did not compleate the project as per contract is there a legal redress? if so what are the chances of a falung winning against a Thai? (being that the falung is clearly correct).

I have heard many (bar) stories of people complaining about various things concerning properties but I have never heard of anyone taking a person to court.

Footnote.
Two days ago I met the woman developer (Mod: personal details edited) of Chutikran and Pavillion and I think it was her husband (talk about chalk and cheese), and after speaking to her for some time I have the opinion that I would not trust her as far as I could throw her, and believe me that would not be far! that is just a personal opinion and not to say the quality or value of her product is bad.