Pavilion and Chutikran
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Alan and fairless, I am interested in your comments as I am thinking of purchasing a holiday home on the pavillion development.
Can I ask what steps have you taken to negotiate a remedy with the developer? Are you permenent residents or like me do you use your properties as holiday/rental homes?
I have been shown around Chutikran 3 (near the elephant village) by an agent and to be honest I did'nt think it was bad, although I cannot comment on the house build and promised facilities.
It was far nicer than the estate around the corner, and a lot of others obviously there are better looking estates but you get what you pay for.
To be quite frank the main reason that I would not buy at pavilion is that I cannot see it being finished for a few years and do not wish to live on a building site for the forseeable future.
Other than that the show homes looked of an acceptable standard.
Do you know if the developer is in a position to respond on the forum?
Can I ask what steps have you taken to negotiate a remedy with the developer? Are you permenent residents or like me do you use your properties as holiday/rental homes?
I have been shown around Chutikran 3 (near the elephant village) by an agent and to be honest I did'nt think it was bad, although I cannot comment on the house build and promised facilities.
It was far nicer than the estate around the corner, and a lot of others obviously there are better looking estates but you get what you pay for.
To be quite frank the main reason that I would not buy at pavilion is that I cannot see it being finished for a few years and do not wish to live on a building site for the forseeable future.
Other than that the show homes looked of an acceptable standard.
Do you know if the developer is in a position to respond on the forum?
Alan who posted above is an old friend and work colleague of mine from many years back, and knowing of the problems he had with this developer I have to say that personally I wouldn’t want to get involved with them.
Whilst it was being built, I also had a look around the developers huge Palace that she built on what was supposed to be communal land and I’m left with the suspicion that she is making far too much profit on the houses she sells.
Whilst it was being built, I also had a look around the developers huge Palace that she built on what was supposed to be communal land and I’m left with the suspicion that she is making far too much profit on the houses she sells.
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Are your friends happy you are critisising their property publicly? Your post leads me to ask a few questions such as:
Did you check the foundations on your visit to your friends, otherwise how do you know?
DONT NEED A SPIRIT LEVEL TO SEE THE HOUSE IS SINKING ON AN ANGLE.
I've been to two houses with TV, Pool Pump, Lights and A/c all on at the same time plus cooking in the kitchen. The house didn't suffer any black outs. Did this happen during your visit?
YES- HAD AN ELECTRICIAN CHECK IT BECAUSE LANDLORD SAYS THERE WERE NO PROBLEMS. REPORT SAID" SUBSTAND WIRING, NO EARTHING, AND THEY LEFT SOME PLUG SOCKETS OFF BECAUSE OF POOR WIRING BEHIND."
Sorry, I've never encountered any "major cracks in walls either" Did you spot them during your visit?
SEEN THEM IN 2 SEPARATE HOUSES, SHOWN TO ME BY THE TENANT, IN 3 ROOMS, THESE WERE NOT CRACKS IN THE PLASTER BUT MAJOR SUBSIDENCE.
I was there during a down pour. No leaks. Was it raining during your visit and did you experience leaking?
HAD WATER MARKS IN CEILING WERE WATER HAS COME THROUGH EARLIER IN THE YEAR.
I assume you didn't conduct a structural survey during your visit to your friends, so where did you get your info from?
You say most of the houses are for rent or sale. Thats not true.
3 TIMES LAST YEAR I VISITED THERE, HAD SIGNS FOR RENT AND SALE IN ENGLISH AND THAI ON MOST PROPERTIES. GOOD LUCK TO THE OWNERS IF THEY HAVE RENTED THEM OUT.
The way you talk about this project it would seem like a disaster area. The environment is actually rather pleasant and I think you are exaggerating for some reason to belittle the project? Why?"
COMPARING IT WITH OTHERS, YES IT IS WAY BEHIND. HOUSES PACKED TOGHER, POOR ROADS, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL "NICE" THEN YOU HAVENT LOOKED AROUND HUA HIN MUCH!!!
AND I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS GRIPES ABOUT IT.
I AM JUST STATING THE FACTS AS I HAVE SEEN MYSELF.
GOOD LUCK TO THE DEVELOPER WHO IS GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
ANYWAY JOCKEY
Hua Hin Today - Hanoi tomorrow !!!
Heretostay but immigration/ inflation made me go away!!!!
Do as we say-not do as we do!!---- "some thai politician"
Heretostay but immigration/ inflation made me go away!!!!
Do as we say-not do as we do!!---- "some thai politician"
I too have had a run i with a lady property developer. Not the developments that you mention however.
Could someone please PM me the name of the person, I'm very interested to learn if she specialises in false promises, or if my case was a one off.
Thanks
Could someone please PM me the name of the person, I'm very interested to learn if she specialises in false promises, or if my case was a one off.
Thanks
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HHS wrote:
i didn't 'suggest censorship', i said i "wouldn't be surprised if project names get edited out by mods as we're back to the unsubstantiated claims issue"
cheers,
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Hi Simon, twisting things again i see.I'm surprised you're such a lay back, Joe. Why not advise that they substantiate their claims? instead of suggesting censorship : guns:
i didn't 'suggest censorship', i said i "wouldn't be surprised if project names get edited out by mods as we're back to the unsubstantiated claims issue"
cheers,
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mainly because im not a small girl.I'm surprised you're such a lay back, Joe. Why not advise that they substantiate their claims?
if something is not done right for me and i can't get anywhere with the company, i just get on with it and sort it out myself. some things you cant sort out ofcourse.
this isn't aimed at the OP, nothing wrong with pointing stuff out, but the serial complainers i worry about.
have you considered therapy simon ?
If the developer has broken promises regarding creating a communal swimming pool and such like then she should be and can be prosecuted. Judging by comments I've heard and posts on this thread it seems she is not a nice person but I've never met her. I would like to say however, people making false or exaggerated claims about a project is morally wrong and devalues the credibility of this forum.
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dtaai-maai
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I'm following this thread with interest, as I rented in Chutikran for a year and have friends who own there.
It was the subject of another thread a few months ago following a spate of break-ins over a short period - partly because there were no security guards, who had left because they weren't being paid the peanuts they were due.
As a renter I was quite happy with the place, mainly because I was paying 8000 per month (unfurnished), as opposed to the current going rate (furnished) of 15-25k for a long term rental.
Sure, there were problems with dogs, water supply, security, general maintenance, and there were no phone lines at the time, but as a renter, at that rent, I was more than happy. I would probably be there now (a year later) if the landlady hadn't been lucky enough to sell the house.
The key word in all of the above is 'rent'.
I wouldn't buy a house in that development, or any other by the same lady, at half price.
The faults are much the same across the board: offset foundations (I was watching the places going up), sandwash (and whatever you think of it, it was widely used there, presumably with the buyers' agreement) laid without proper steel mesh, resulting in cracks within months, leaky windows and roofs, very poor wiring (I know 2 owners who had their houses completely rewired within months), septic tanks with no pipes or pipes fitted the wrong way round, obtaining blue books, etc. etc.
Alan has declared his interest as an owner on this project, and I know him (not well unfortunately, as he seems like a very good bloke) and his house. He has made very balanced posts here, and I hope he won't mind me saying that he may well have fewer problems than many others because he had the extremely good sense to be closely involved on a day-to-day basis with the construction of his house. He moved away from the standard blueprint, chose better materials and kept a very close eye on what was being done.
But unfortunately he is in the minority. Most of the owners are retired or semi-retired, some still work, and they are from a variety of (mostly European) countries, but the vast majority only come to Thailand for a month or two, two or three times a year. They weren't able to oversee the construction of their houses and had to trust the developer.
Nobody in their right mind expects to move into a brand new house and have no problems at all, but I think they are entitled to have those problems addressed by the builder/developer. There may be many Chutikran owners who are very satisfied with what they got for their money, but I don't know them personally.
I have been to 'meetings' with the developer, as an intermediary/translator/peacekeeper for a friend of mine who is an owner and whose English isn't great. He is a retired businessman - he'd prepare an 'agenda' and email it to the developer, so that she'd know in advance what he wanted to discuss. I told him he was wasting his time, and unfortunately I was right. On the extremely rare occasions it was possible to arrange a meeting with the lady, and on the even more rare occasions she turned up, she would refuse to listen to any complaint, however calmly and reasonably expressed, and rapidly become hysterical for no apparent reason. I've been around a bit, but frankly it was all very bizarre by any standards.
I can't 'substantiate' any of the above - I didn't record the meetings, and I only have one photo of a house being built, on which the first two layers of bricks were at such vastly different angles, with massive dollops of cement making up the difference, that even I had to laugh - I can't post that, as some poor sod owns the place now and would be devastated. But I've got no personal axe to grind here.
I have some sympathy with people who wind up with these sorts of problems with developers - I'm sure Chutikran is no worse than some other developments, but it's the only one of which I have personal experience. I've learned a lot from the experiences of my friends and also from other threads on this forum.
One of the previous posters on this thread is thinking of buying and asked for input (which is really what prompted this overlong response). My advice would be to spend an awful lot of time looking around - there are hundreds of developments and thousands of properties around - get a feel for the area, talk to as many people as possible who already own on any development you are thinking about - maybe rent there for a while, try to get to know the developer. Most important of all, make sure it's all done right, that all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed. If you're spending a few million baht on a house, spend a few thousand more on getting the small print checked and making sure that the facilities are going to be right. Pretty much as you would if you were buying a new house in your own country, surely...?
It was the subject of another thread a few months ago following a spate of break-ins over a short period - partly because there were no security guards, who had left because they weren't being paid the peanuts they were due.
As a renter I was quite happy with the place, mainly because I was paying 8000 per month (unfurnished), as opposed to the current going rate (furnished) of 15-25k for a long term rental.
Sure, there were problems with dogs, water supply, security, general maintenance, and there were no phone lines at the time, but as a renter, at that rent, I was more than happy. I would probably be there now (a year later) if the landlady hadn't been lucky enough to sell the house.
The key word in all of the above is 'rent'.
I wouldn't buy a house in that development, or any other by the same lady, at half price.
The faults are much the same across the board: offset foundations (I was watching the places going up), sandwash (and whatever you think of it, it was widely used there, presumably with the buyers' agreement) laid without proper steel mesh, resulting in cracks within months, leaky windows and roofs, very poor wiring (I know 2 owners who had their houses completely rewired within months), septic tanks with no pipes or pipes fitted the wrong way round, obtaining blue books, etc. etc.
Alan has declared his interest as an owner on this project, and I know him (not well unfortunately, as he seems like a very good bloke) and his house. He has made very balanced posts here, and I hope he won't mind me saying that he may well have fewer problems than many others because he had the extremely good sense to be closely involved on a day-to-day basis with the construction of his house. He moved away from the standard blueprint, chose better materials and kept a very close eye on what was being done.
But unfortunately he is in the minority. Most of the owners are retired or semi-retired, some still work, and they are from a variety of (mostly European) countries, but the vast majority only come to Thailand for a month or two, two or three times a year. They weren't able to oversee the construction of their houses and had to trust the developer.
Nobody in their right mind expects to move into a brand new house and have no problems at all, but I think they are entitled to have those problems addressed by the builder/developer. There may be many Chutikran owners who are very satisfied with what they got for their money, but I don't know them personally.
I have been to 'meetings' with the developer, as an intermediary/translator/peacekeeper for a friend of mine who is an owner and whose English isn't great. He is a retired businessman - he'd prepare an 'agenda' and email it to the developer, so that she'd know in advance what he wanted to discuss. I told him he was wasting his time, and unfortunately I was right. On the extremely rare occasions it was possible to arrange a meeting with the lady, and on the even more rare occasions she turned up, she would refuse to listen to any complaint, however calmly and reasonably expressed, and rapidly become hysterical for no apparent reason. I've been around a bit, but frankly it was all very bizarre by any standards.
I can't 'substantiate' any of the above - I didn't record the meetings, and I only have one photo of a house being built, on which the first two layers of bricks were at such vastly different angles, with massive dollops of cement making up the difference, that even I had to laugh - I can't post that, as some poor sod owns the place now and would be devastated. But I've got no personal axe to grind here.
I have some sympathy with people who wind up with these sorts of problems with developers - I'm sure Chutikran is no worse than some other developments, but it's the only one of which I have personal experience. I've learned a lot from the experiences of my friends and also from other threads on this forum.
One of the previous posters on this thread is thinking of buying and asked for input (which is really what prompted this overlong response). My advice would be to spend an awful lot of time looking around - there are hundreds of developments and thousands of properties around - get a feel for the area, talk to as many people as possible who already own on any development you are thinking about - maybe rent there for a while, try to get to know the developer. Most important of all, make sure it's all done right, that all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed. If you're spending a few million baht on a house, spend a few thousand more on getting the small print checked and making sure that the facilities are going to be right. Pretty much as you would if you were buying a new house in your own country, surely...?
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dtaai-maai
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Jockey, your post went up while I was writing 'War and Peace'.Jockey wrote:If the developer has broken promises regarding creating a communal swimming pool and such like then she should be and can be prosecuted. Judging by comments I've heard and posts on this thread it seems she is not a nice person but I've never met her. I would like to say however, people making false or exaggerated claims about a project is morally wrong and devalues the credibility of this forum.
You're obviously in the property business, and you're equally obviously one of the good guys. Making false and exaggerated claims about anything is morally wrong, including the quality of a property you're building for someone at considerable cost.
I don't recall seeing anything false or exaggerated on this thread.
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the buyers were watching it too. so when they saw this they got an engineer in to produce a survey and refused to pay the next staged payment. right ?offset foundations (I was watching the places going up)
if their floors really are sinking (as someone said earlier), ie: the infill slab dropping then they'll have a concrete (
) caseif actual foundations are sinking (columns dropping) they'll know about it from major cracks in the house, same same re: lawyer.
back home we have a structural survey carried out, here i dont know one
buyer who has. if just one buyer on each project had, it could be published on places like here and everyone would know the actual standard of that development. it would force developers rankinglow to up their standards.
alternatively buyers could just post a million and one complaints on here (i'm sure Lev doesn't mind)
let's see how that goes, and give it time it's only been going on for 3 years so far
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Cowtown Comedy wrote
"And I'm certain in situations like this the estate agents are supporting you immensly...hahaha..maybe after they've ironed their black trousers..."
If they are not then they should be .Despite the fact that agents earn income from sales generated commissions which are paid by the developer both buyer and developer still have the right to expect a level of after sales service from the agent IMO .
Crazy 88
"Or perhaps I'm right "
"If I listened to you long enough I might find a way to beleive I'm full of sh**e"
"And I'm certain in situations like this the estate agents are supporting you immensly...hahaha..maybe after they've ironed their black trousers..."
If they are not then they should be .Despite the fact that agents earn income from sales generated commissions which are paid by the developer both buyer and developer still have the right to expect a level of after sales service from the agent IMO .
Crazy 88
"Or perhaps I'm right "
"If I listened to you long enough I might find a way to beleive I'm full of sh**e"