NEW Beach-Boardwalk for Hua Hin!

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Do you want and would support a Boardwalk in Hua Hin

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JW wrote: I also reckon that there will be an international airport built south of Prachuap Khiri Khan in the next 5 years or so.
They might convert part of the AF Base at PKK to commercial traffic .. ala Don Muang.

Chumphon has a very spacious airport .. not sure about the runways and terminal, but it doesn't seem ancient. It's just a few km south of rhe PKK / Chumphon border (North of Thung Wualen beach)
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Not wanting to get into a pedantic argument with you here and not really sure why you've picked me but since you're picking me apart again:
klikster wrote: Yes, a meter .. meter and a half of concrete.

.. how many motorbikes do you see on the beach?

None. Neither will you see mororcycles on the promenade if properly supervised.
As stated by others - this is Thailand - concrete = motorcycles, keeping them out = police, police doing work = ain't happening. Just making a point as others have.
klikster wrote: Instead of rolling your eyes you might better use them to read what I wrote. The "Boats on the beach" comment went to your coment about property owners not wanting ...
It may surprise you that some of the owners of beach front property actually own fishing boats too.
I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. In construction, you get one time trash .. you clean it up.

You have bars, you get trash continually .. both human and otherwise. ;)
Not really understanding your point either, good trash vs bad trash ??? Go ahead, pick away ... I'm done with the arguing :wink:
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Instead of a boardwalk and more concrete would it be possible to somehow extend som parts of the beach with more sand, so that you might be able to walk to Takiab along the beach instead of almost swimming/drowning some of the way - as I did the last time I walked from Hilton to Takiab?

This solution would work for anybody in need of a good long walk (only farangs I guess as thais apparently do not seem to enjoy a good long walk as we do), and the horse guys and foodsellers would have more space to do business on.
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As i said earlier, I am not opposed to the idea but rather that I think the idea if it became reality would quickly become something far removed from the concept. The potential plus points are:
1. A safe and pleasant walkway (and possibly cycle way) along the coastline for several kilometres.
2. If paid for and organised by the expat/tourist community it might send a positive signal to the local Thais.
3. Would improve access to the beach.
4. Might encourage other community benefit projects such as litter patrols and awareness, and other pedestrian/cycle only pathways.
5. Might slightly reduce some of the traffic in the town, encouraging people to walk or cycle - health benefits of this too.

Potential minus points are:
1. Might encourage undesirables to loiter there, particularly at night.
2. Extremely difficult to prevent motorcycles using it at any time.
3. Likely to attract hordes of hawkers and food sellers, who will set up stall and block the path.
4. If paid for and organised by expats/tourists it could be seen as farang interference and might be resented by the Thais.
5. Unlikely to be used by the Thais unless shade is also provided.
6. (Personal opinion - warning!) Enthusiasm and help for the building and upkeep of the pathway will likely wane before it has even been completed.
7. Beach and sea conditions could well render the project impossible over time.
8. Land laws, beachfront property owners and local officials could well render the project impossible over time.
9. If undertaken by the local authorities construction will never be completed and will be made with sub-standard materials because of back-handers and skimming (see roads in Prachuap Kiri Khan for evidence).
10. If the police take control of patrolling it, as they would probably insist on, patrols would be few and far between, and may well consist of a snoozing MIB in a Starbucks sponsored police box at one end. Conversely if a security company is employed to patrol along it, this would probably consist of an off duty MIB snoozing in an Avalon sponsored Mediterranean style hut with a leaking roof located somewhere near the middle of the path. Finally if the expat community patrols it, there would quickly appear a thread on HHAD listing all the farangs who have been shot, mugged, raped, bitten and chased by dogs, threatened or otherwise abused while on duty, or otherwise.

If anyone else can think of something i might have forgotten, plus or minus, please chip in... :thumb:
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skildpadden wrote:Instead of a boardwalk and more concrete would it be possible to somehow extend som parts of the beach with more sand, so that you might be able to walk to Takiab along the beach instead of almost swimming/drowning some of the way - as I did the last time I walked from Hilton to Takiab?

This solution would work for anybody in need of a good long walk (only farangs I guess as thais apparently do not seem to enjoy a good long walk as we do), and the horse guys and foodsellers would have more space to do business on.
Not sure that would work as the beach is shallow and at the mercy of tides.
I used to walk it regularly to Khao Takieb, but it's not really feasible in the mornings between approximately December-February past The Hyatt, heading south.
Like yourself, I have pushed on in the past, but it does become a bit dangerous if the surf's up and it's impossible to see the rocks and lumps of concrete that tend to end up on the sand the further south you go.
Just a question here that follows on from the above post. Isn't the fact that the beach is unwalkable at high tides largely a result of encroachment and the sea walls that have already been constructed in front of residences and resorts? So, to build a concrete promenade in the central area isn't going to help matters one bit. At this time of year, it would be pretty difficult to walk that part of the beach in the mornings without the very real possibility of being swept out to sea by waves rebounding off it. (I do appreciate that it's unwalkable now anyway).
I'm no expert on this and may also have got some of the tide times slightly wrong, but hopefully people get my drift.
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Agree lomu, not sure how you'd squeeze a promenade into here without pinching half the Wora Bura's land!

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Wanderlust wrote: As i said earlier, I am not opposed to the idea but rather that I think the idea if it became reality would quickly become something far removed from the concept. The potential plus points are:
1. A safe and pleasant walkway (and possibly cycle way) along the coastline for several kilometres.
2. If paid for and organised by the expat/tourist community it might send a positive signal to the local Thais.
3. Would improve access to the beach.
4. Might encourage other community benefit projects such as litter patrols and awareness, and other pedestrian/cycle only pathways.
5. Might slightly reduce some of the traffic in the town, encouraging people to walk or cycle - health benefits of this too.



Wanderelust, (and others) very thoughful points, thanks. The positives (imho) would far outweigh the potential negatives as I believe time would prove.

Hell, I'd probably cause the first negative and a new 'bylaw' rule for the walkway, as I'd be flying along on rollerblades at every opportunity. :D

lomuamart wrote:Not sure that would work as the beach is shallow and at the mercy of tides.
I used to walk it regularly to Khao Takieb, but it's not really feasible in the mornings between approximately December-February past The Hyatt, heading south.
Obviously, at the plotted seasonal high tide points, an elevated walkway would have to be placed for those areas only, again adjecent to the natural bank or wall along the shoreline and properties but not 'on' or touching the properties.

OR, only run it from the edge of the Hilton, to just past the condo chain area for starters. Regardless, as soon as it was built even if in a shortened version, bet the rest along the un-connected shoreline would be saying, hey, we want that too! 8)


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Just a comment - in great part, it appears what passes for inspiration, spirit and leadership hereabouts is simply appalling (at least on this one issue). Perhaps this was just a one-off? Anyways, thanks for allowing me the opportunity to voice a concept here.

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skildpadden wrote:Instead of a boardwalk and more concrete would it be possible to somehow extend som parts of the beach with more sand, so that you might be able to walk to Takiab along the beach instead of almost swimming/drowning some of the way - as I did the last time I walked from Hilton to Takiab?

This solution would work for anybody in need of a good long walk (only farangs I guess as thais apparently do not seem to enjoy a good long walk as we do), and the horse guys and foodsellers would have more space to do business on.
The winds and waves are too unpredictable from year to year. I lived in the Ban Krut area for 3 years. It has some of what are probably the best beaches on the Gulf. Last year the waves devestated long stretches of beach .. kilometers long. Sea pines between the road and beach that had been there a long time had the sand washed out of the roots .. and they fell.

One resort which had a nice beach lost 2 meters (vertically). Sections of the road were threatened. In other places, the beach narrowed several meters. A well designed barrier can actually hold the sand that washes in .. a beach front bar .. not likely. ;)
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I've been reading this thread with interest for a couple of days. One thing I don't really understand is why bother with the Boardwalk concept anyway.

Hua Hin has a nice beach that apart from at High Tide is quite firm to walk on throughout the suggested route. Any boardwalk would soon become covered in sand anyway. If you want to walk the walk, then why not walk the beach? The couple of times that I've done it, there have been plenty of Farang and Thais doing so, and seemingly enjoying the experience.

My personal opinion is that it would be great for the first few months, but because of poor building would soon fall in to disrepair - it would probably be safer to walk the beach anyway, rather than risk potholes etc on the boardwalk. We've all seen how soon Thai roads go into disrepair, why should a Boardwalk be any different?
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Sigh...

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Hey Bahtandsold

Please don't exit the door just yet. don't say goodbye! I sincerly believe your Idea is very good. asm I say and I say it again Hua Hin is not ready for such a Boardwalk right now but in a decade or so it will be
don't shelf your plans just yet. Banhtandsold!!!!!!

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i agree with big boy,
if you want to walk, walk the beach. :?
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Thailand's answer to Venice beach in LA

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The understudy wrote:Hey Bahtandsold

Please don't exit the door just yet. don't say goodbye! I sincerly believe your Idea is very good. asm I say and I say it again Hua Hin is not ready for such a Boardwalk right now but in a decade or so it will be
don't shelf your plans just yet. Banhtandsold!!!!!!

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Thanks Understudy - actually, I don't give up easy, tend to vision big picture, rather than live in a small life-sucking vacuum of negativity, nor limit my vision to conform to a false 'safe herd' acceptance environment.

So, not at all saying goodbye to the concept of a seaside walkway, which would be enjoyed by everyone if it were here (even by the naysayer 'herd' truth be told;) and which would greatly enhance the main beach at Hua Hin. Just adios to negativity. I may have reacted similarly, desparately wanting to keep Hua Hin 'pristine' as I thought it in '97 (people from earlier years would scoff;) but the truth is, she's far beyond that now and it's time to accept, this is officially, a tourist beach - now, how to improve it?
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:roll: That's very rude B&S! You set up a poll to guage peoples opinions, then slag them off if they don't like or see flaws in your idea. Were you one of these spoil t children that always got there own way or may be you still are?
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