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This article hits the nail on the head for me, every country mentioned has an easier visa process and a more favorable cost of living and many are opening up while this one is closing.

Snubbed middle-income retirees look beyond Thailand to SE Asia
For decades, Thailand has been the quintessential destination for retirees seeking an affordable, beautiful, and culturally rich new home. With its golden beaches, vibrant cuisine, and famously welcoming population, the Land of Smiles has lured hundreds of thousands of Westerners to spend their golden years soaking up its tropical hospitality.

Yet, a quiet transformation is taking place beneath the palm trees. As Thailand sharpens its focus on attracting wealthy global citizens, the reality for middle-income retirees is changing: the gate is closing, and quickly.

In the past, Thailand’s retirement visas were considered among the most accessible in Asia. The longstanding Non-Immigrant O-A and O-X visa categories allowed foreigners aged 50 and above to take up residence in Thailand.

The requirements were fairly modest by global standards: a minimum of 800,000 baht (US$22,000) in a Thai bank account, or proof of a monthly income of 65,000 baht (US$1,800), plus a clean criminal record and health insurance.

But in recent years, the winds have shifted. As part of an ongoing effort to target high-spending retirees and stem what it perceives as an influx of budget expats, Thai officials have steadily raised the bar.

In 2023, the so-called Long Term Resident (LTR) visa was launched: a programme explicitly marketed to the wealthy global citizen. The requirements? At least US$80,000 annual income for the past two years and US$1 million in assets, effectively pricing out anyone but the truly affluent.

Meanwhile, health insurance requirements for the regular retirement visas have been tightened in the wake of Covid-19, and there is persistent speculation that the financial benchmarks may rise further.

Anecdotally, many retirees have also reported increasingly arcane and shifting application processes, with the subtle message being: unless you’re bringing significant wealth, Thailand’s doors are closing.

What’s behind this strategic pivot and does it make sense? On paper, the prospect of turning the country into a magnet for affluent retirees is tempting.

Wealthier residents inject more money into the economy, pay more for healthcare and housing, and theoretically bring fewer headaches in the form of visa overstays or illegal work. Thailand’s policymakers see this as a clear win.

Yet, this logic is blinkered. The notion of barring the merely comfortable middle class is short-sighted, especially when one considers the country’s decades-long reputation as an affordable, friendly destination perfectly matched for retirees seeking value and quality of life, rather than luxury and exclusivity.

For every millionaire foreigner, there are dozens more with more modest means: early retirees, teachers, small business owners, civil servants, who could have spent their pensions in Thailand, stimulating local economies in cities, towns, and villages across the nation.

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Thailand must pay attention. If it wants to remain the true Land of Smiles for the world’s retirees, not simply a playground for the wealthy few, it must reevaluate its retirement visa policies.

By shutting out the middle class, the country risks losing far more than just a few bank transfers, but the vibrant, respectful community of foreigners who have long called Thailand their second home.

There is still time for Thailand to reconsider, to craft smarter, more flexible, and more welcoming visa policies.

It would do well to look at its neighbours and rediscover the open, affordable spirit that first made it Asia’s retirement capital. Because, in the end, accessible does not mean exclusive, and the happiest retirements, for both expats and host countries, are built on true inclusion, not just affluence.

Full story: https://thethaiger.com/guides/visa-info ... to-se-asia

Of course, the Thailand apologists and those stuck here will probably pick holes in it to defend their utopia. :duck:
My research into alternatives has been ongoing for some time, I won't be retiring here permanently and will likely visit now and then.

You'd think with the tourist slump they'd look to supporting expats more ... but as we know, Thailand is very myopic, and only the Chinese hoards matter.
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I think without a doubt, the only thing that keeps me here (for 7 or 8 months a year) is having a Thai wife, otherwise I too would be looking for pastures new!!
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Yes, part of my challenge has been finding a place where visas are favorable for both of us. Fortunately, visas for Thais are pretty easy across most of Southeast Asia, and Mrs B is open to the idea of being based elsewhere.
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I certainly don't consider myself a Thailand apologist. I can not think of anything, retirement visa wise that has worsened since I arrived here in 2012. If anything, it has got easier.

Yes, they have us jumping through a lot hoops (many more than my wife experienced when living in the UK), but there is nothing more now than there was in 2012. I can't talk for other visa types, but I am quite happy with my lot.
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You (like someone else that will go unmentioned) seem to get the red carpet treatment in immigration and appear to thrive on bureaucracy, but the web is awash with reports of people facing increasing hurdles when renewing visas (when it should get easier the more often you do it). I know I'm not on a retirement visa, but mine is far from easy, and I'm forced to use an agent (after 25 years of renewals) to make some of those hurdles disappear despite ticking all the boxes immigration officially requires. I certainly don't want to be doing that in my 'golden years' when life should get easier.
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Believe me, I certainly don't get red carpet treatment. and I hate my annual visit, but so long as I have the right documents it is quite painless.

We determined years ago that retirees get quite an easy ride compared with other visa types. The treatment both you, and a couple of other friends received was disgusting. However, the article seemed to concentrate on retirement, rather than other visa types, which to me made it lose a lot of credibility.

I am not wearing rose tinted glasses when I say my retirement visa extension has becaome easier since I moved here - it really has. OK, its 2 hours of my life that could be better spent each year, but 2 hours a year isn't really so bad.
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For you, maybe (and the only thing that has changed is the embassy letter requirement - and that was due to changes at the UK embassy, not the Thai govt "making it easier for you".)

For many others, this is simply not the case. Hence, the article suggests that many have already left, many are considering it, there are many easier alternatives to Thailand, and the government only really wants the millionaires.
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I am not disagreeing, but the article headline is, "Snubbed middle-income retirees look beyond Thailand to SE Asia." All that I am saying is that is not true. If you have the correct documentation, processing of the retirement extension is quite routine - nobody is trying to trip you up. In fact, when the system changed back in about 2019, they gave us pensioners a lot of leeway whilst we were all learning the new system.

I agree 150%, the treatment you, and others I know, have received has been cruel. I haven't forgotten the repeated return trips between Hua Hin and Bang Saphan that you had to make.

BTW - one point of order, the red carpet treatment is given to those with an agent, not us mere plebs who have to firstly undergo the indignity of the downstairs validation of documents before being sent to queue in the public area.
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I don't disagree with the article but just one observation, the amounts required for a retirement visa, 800,000bt or 65,000 a month haven't changed in the twenty odd years I've been coming to Thailand and if they had been index linked, they would have about doubled which would probably price out many.
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Big Boy wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 9:10 am OK, its 2 hours of my life that could be better spent each year, but 2 hours a year isn't really so bad.
Is it really just 2 hours a year? Don't you have to go into the bank every month to get paperwork, and now multiple trips back and forward to the tax office and a new bureaucratic nightmare? I really fail to see how things are getting easier here.

Yes, the article only focuses on retirees and Thailand's drive for millionaires while ignoring the rest of us.

I personally loathe using an agent, but until the immigration officers do their jobs properly and stop putting up unnecessary barriers or looking for bungs, I have no choice.
STEVE G wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 9:53 am I don't disagree with the article but just one observation, the amounts required for a retirement visa, 800,000bt or 65,000 a month haven't changed in the twenty odd years I've been coming to Thailand and if they had been index linked, they would have about doubled which would probably price out many.
True, but you've also got to consider that you're essentially gifting the Thai govt that 800K because you can't take it out or use it, and it devalues by a few percent every year due to inflation, because the banks give virtually no interest here.
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I think the crux will come IF Immigration are forced to make sure that annual visa extensions are linked to a tax clearance certificate - although BB has already started jumping through the hoops on that one, I’m sure it could be the final nail for some.

Also a big change that I experienced was the introduction of compulsory health insurance when I was on an O-A visa - the cost for comprehensive medical insurance for someone over 65 is quite prohibitive and the minimum insurance required is simply a waste of money as it’s virtually useless. Fortunately I was able to change to an O Visa which wasn’t exactly straightforward but I managed to get it done (with the help of a brown envelope to Immigration), but whose to say that at some point in the future they won’t make medical insurance compulsory for everyone on a long-term visa?
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buksida wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:37 am Of course, the Thailand apologists and those stuck here will probably pick holes in it to defend their utopia. :duck:
My research into alternatives has been ongoing for some time, I won't be retiring here permanently and will likely visit now and then.
You missed a group, that is people that like to live her, have done so for many years and therefor have a social network, including kids, and they choose to stay here....

My practical actual hands-on experience has confirmed for me that the grass always looks greener on the other side and it really does..
Analyze the political and religious situations of the countries around us.....if that is what you are looking for...

But I do understand that people without any network in Thailand from work and or family are looking around, one always should...

I am though curious about the findings in your research
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Big Boy wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:26 am I certainly don't consider myself a Thailand apologist. I can not think of anything, retirement visa wise that has worsened since I arrived here in 2012. If anything, it has got easier.

Yes, they have us jumping through a lot hoops (many more than my wife experienced when living in the UK), but there is nothing more now than there was in 2012. I can't talk for other visa types, but I am quite happy with my lot.
I agree, I never encountered issues other than small fines for nothing else really than corruption....
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buksida wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:32 am You (like someone else that will go unmentioned) seem to get the red carpet treatment in immigration and appear to thrive on bureaucracy, but the web is awash with reports of people facing increasing hurdles when renewing visas (when it should get easier the more often you do it). I know I'm not on a retirement visa, but mine is far from easy, and I'm forced to use an agent (after 25 years of renewals) to make some of those hurdles disappear despite ticking all the boxes immigration officially requires. I certainly don't want to be doing that in my 'golden years' when life should get easier.
Most, if not all, people I know that have issues can just not comply with the requirements......same old, same old
I had various different visa here and retirement on bank balance, not using the Thai wife, is by far the easiest I have encountered for long term stay
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Martinoo wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:37 am You missed a group, that is people that like to live her, have done so for many years and therefor have a social network, including kids, and they choose to stay here....
I am part of that exact group and am looking elsewhere - it may come as a surprise, but not everyone sees things in the same light or has the same tolerance for bs.
Martinoo wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:37 am Analyze the political and religious situations of the countries around us.....if that is what you are looking for...

I am though curious about the findings in your research
The political situation in most Asian countries is the same: indirect dictatorships.

I have researched living part time in Japan, Vietnam, and Cambodia, all have their pros and cons as does Thailand, however my days of seeing this place through rose-tinted glasses as some kind of utopia are long gone.
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