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Effort to unlock other tourism markets
Tourism authorities should work to mitigate the short-term impact of the shooting at a Bangkok mall this week by pivoting to other potential markets less affected by the news to keep a steady flow of arrivals during high season, according to the Association of Thai Travel Agents (Atta).

Atta president Sisdivachr Cheewarattanaporn said news reports on the shooting at Siam Paragon had spread in many countries, but at differing levels.

Atta finished a roadshow in Mumbai this week and the association monitored feedback from the Indian market.

The group found there were less concerns among Indians about the shooting than from the Chinese market.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/ge ... sm-markets

"Thailand offers free firearms for Chinese and Indians to protect themselves against rogue cops and nutball rich kids" ... :lach:
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https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ttractions

Government spokesman Chai Wacharonke debunked as fake news on social media reports that Cha-am Beach and Amphawa Floating Market are being abandoned by tourists, saying tourists can still be found at both as usual, and at least 50% of local hotel rooms are usually occupied.

A viral video showing a quiet Cha-am Beach in Phetchaburi on a Sunday was recently posted online, along with social media news stating that Samut Songkhram's Amphawa Floating Market is short of visitors nowadays, even at the weekend due to a recession............
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Confidence craters in tourism sector
The tourism confidence index in the third quarter plunged year-on-year and remained below the benchmark, hampered by sluggish spending from factory closures, unemployment, rising non-performing loans and severe flooding in both Thailand and abroad, according to the Tourism Council of Thailand (TCT).

The TCT is meeting with the board chairman of the Tourism Authority of Thailand on Thursday to discuss increasing subsidies for the next phase of the proposed co-payment travel scheme from 40% in previous phases to 50%, with a focus on second-tier provinces, said TCT president Chamnan Srisawat.

He said a minimum budget of 5 billion baht should help generate at least 5 million room bookings and encourage local travellers to book 3-4 room nights on average during the scheme.

If possible, the government should not wait until the next low season to implement this scheme, as about 30 provinces were heavily affected by floods, said Mr Chamnan.

According to the TCT, the tourism confidence index for the third quarter was only 68, lower than the benchmark of 100 recorded before the pandemic.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/ge ... ism-sector

This seems to be about domestic tourism. I notice high season has kicked in around Hua Hin now as there seems to be more farangs belting around on scooters than Thais!
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Tourist crowds spark tension in Pai
Mae Hong Son: Amid the mountains of northern Thailand is a hub for backpackers to lie in hammocks, swim in waterfalls, walk along the Bamboo Bridge and bask in the sun, as travellers slowly sink into what's known as the "Pai hole" in Pai district.

However, there could be trouble in paradise with an overpopulation of tourists creating tension for locals.

Once a quiet market village, surrounded by rice fields, hot springs and rivers, Pai is now a thriving hotspot for Thailand's tourists. Famous for its bohemian atmosphere, cheap lifestyle and lively party scene, Pai is a touring backpacker's dream.

Falling into the Pai Hole is a common fate for travellers, who plan to visit for a few days and stay for a lifetime.

Canadian traveller, Alex Chambers, 29, knows what it is to fall into the Pai hole.

"Once you are here you realise just how special Pai is, it becomes very hard to want to leave," says Mr Chambers, who has been to Pai nine times.

The walkable city layout, good, affordable quality food and weather are the key factors that make Pai so special, Mr Chambers says.

Walking around Pai, there are scenes of foreigners scooting around on rented mopeds, waterfall hopping and chasing the iconic sunset at Pai Canyon. "Pai Canyon is a geological wonder," said Mr Chambers.

Tipsy Tubing is another popular Pai activity, where hundreds of travellers pay 250 baht to float down the Pai River on inflatable tubes, stopping at bars along the way. With drinks in hand and many phones sinking in the river, hundreds of backpackers join in Tipsy Tubing every week.

Another unique piece of Pai is the art scene. From live music and tattoo shops to fashion markets, graffiti, flow arts and fire dancing, "the local artists here are incredibly talented", said Mr Chambers.

"All the people who have 'fallen into the Pai hole' are happy to be stuck here and proud to call this place a home," said Mr Chambers.

The booming tourism has turned a once quiet town into the centre of northern Thailand's backpacking scene. Despite boosting the local economy by bringing money into the valley, Pai is also at risk of feeling culturally washed out.

With Pai town overpopulated with foreigners, locals mostly reside outside the central area.

"There is some tension between the locals and foreigners because of clashing cultures," said Mr Chambers.

"The thing that annoys the locals is the behaviour that some foreigners are bringing from their cultures into the valley," he said, with some tourists acting disrespectfully at local shops and restaurants or after alcohol-fuelled activities.

"Being belligerent is not a vibe anywhere but especially not normal behaviour to the local Thais," said Mr Chambers, who said the strain will likely subside when most tourists leave during the upcoming burning season.

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https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ion-in-pai

I've been to Pai and wasn't that taken with it, its uber touristy and aimed at backpacker hippy types with their mango shakes and elephant pants ... maybe I'm just getting old! Also been tubing many times and that pic above just doesn't appeal!
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Does Pai also have a high end tourist industry like Hua Hin, or is it more of a budget hedonism place like Dali, SR or VV?

High end does not seem to be suffering particularly at the moment. Five stars seem to have benefited from high season much more than low end. Lots of new places opened, but the luxury places are the ones that seem to survive year to year.
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Its more of a budget hedonism place, at least it was when I was last there, just like Samui and Pha-ngan used to be.
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Many high end tourists are return low end ones and perhaps discouraging the lower levels will have a knock on effect. More and more budget travellers are being tempted by Vietnam and Cambodia as prices rise here. This seems to be ignored by the present powers that be but may come back to bite them.
A group of drunken idiots floating down the river certainly does not appeal to me but definitely does to others. As the article said things will soon quieted down now the burning season is here. That is of far more concern as it puts off tourists at all ends of the market.
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I drove to Pai many years ago. Loved the place. Very quiet and hardly ever saw a tourist!

Reading the above, it's obviously changed a lot for the worse. I certainly won't visit there again.
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That photo in today's OP is horrific. It resembles the packed beaches of Benidorm in its heyday (don't know if things have improved since). Certainly not my idea of fun.
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I spent a month up there about 20 years ago and was seriously thinking about relocating. In those days, it was good fun and laid back.

20 years on, I'm glad I didn't because unless you're Peter Pan I just can't see what the attraction would be now except that it's maybe the northern end of the Thai "hippy" trail from the south. Similar to Goa - Kashmir - Nepal.

I'm glad I went and spent some time there. Met many good folk, both Thai and Western. There was one "nightclub" with late opening and live music a bit out of town. Other than that, if you fancied a drink then you had a few in restaurants really. There was no bar scene to speak of.

Back then, it was OK. I suppose it's maybe a bit like many places that have evolved over here and not necessarily for the better.
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I've only spent a night there, in the late 1990's. My memories are of a cool evening drinking local ya dong and roosters starting to make a lot of noise early in the morning. That made me catch the first bus to Chiang Mai.
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The latest farang witch hunt is targeting Israelis in Pai ...

Thai police chief vows crackdown on unruly expats
Thai police chief Kittharath Punpetch has set a seven-day deadline for officers to investigate foreign nationals living in Pai district of Mae Hong Son for alleged illegal activities and causing public disturbances.

The order comes amid a growing number of complaints directed at Israelis living in the northern tourist town, which has also led to misinformation circulating online.

Prime Minister Paetongtarn Shinawatra on Tuesday dismissed reports that many Israelis who settled in Pai had posted signs to ban Thais from entering their properties.

Another more conspiracy-minded post said some Israelis viewed Pai as a new “promised land” and that more than 30,000 had moved to the district.

“Hold on a moment,” Ms Paetongtarn said. “We’ve already verified that this is not true.”

The actual population of Israelis in Pai is estimated to be around 3,000, according to local media reports.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... uly-expats
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I wonder why they have relocated there?
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Thailand’s tourism target at risk amid competition, safety fears
Thailand’s ambitious goal of attracting 39 million foreign visitors this year is under threat, with industry experts warning that stiff competition and safety concerns could derail the plan.

According to the Association of Thai Travel Agents (TTAA), the country is likely to welcome a maximum of 37 million foreign arrivals in 2025, still an improvement from last year’s 35.54 million. However, ATTA President Sisdivachr Cheewarattanaporn warned that “several negative factors” are holding Thailand back.

He pointed to fierce competition from Japan, China, and Vietnam, which are aggressively marketing their tourism sectors to lure international travellers.

“Japan overtook Thailand in Chinese arrivals last year, attracting 6.98 million visitors compared to Thailand’s 6.7 million.”

TTAA predicts Chinese arrivals will reach 7 million this year—far below the record 11.13 million in 2019, before the pandemic. Sisdivachr warned that the country might never see 10 million Chinese visitors annually again, citing growing safety concerns.

Reports of Chinese nationals being kidnapped in Thailand and trafficked to scam operations in neighbouring countries have dented confidence.

Additionally, China’s economic slowdown, a potential trade war, and the government’s push for domestic tourism have further weakened outbound travel to Thailand.

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/th ... fety-fears

If there are 7 million Chinese tourists coming here per year, and they are by far the largest demographic, who the hell are the other 30 million?

In Bangkok at the moment and there seems to be a lot of Chinese in groups about and what appear to be young (twenty-something) Russians. These two make up the main demographic of foreigners in this area from my observations.
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This sounds pretty close to the mark, unlike the propaganda that the BP regularly churns out...

Thailand's Tourist Appeal Wanes as Gripes Over Price Hikes and Dodgy Systems Mount
Thailand, once a magnet for budget-conscious backpackers and sun-seekers alike, is facing a growing backlash from international tourists.

A surge of online criticism, with nearly 2,000 comments flooding a Bangkok Post Learning social media post, reveals widespread dissatisfaction with the kingdom's current tourism landscape.

Travellers are increasingly voicing concerns over inflated prices, a discriminatory two-tier pricing system, outdated bureaucracy, and the now-commonplace aroma of cannabis in holiday hotspots.

An analysis by Krungthep Turakij, sifting through some 800 of these online missives with the aid of artificial intelligence, has identified four key areas of concern.

Foremost among these is the perception that a holiday in Thailand no longer offers the value for money it once did.


Prices Through the Roof
The overwhelming sentiment is that Thailand has ceased to be a cost-effective destination. Accommodation costs in popular tourist areas, in particular, have seen eye-watering increases.

One disgruntled visitor to Koh Samui recounted: "The same hotel I paid 2,000 baht a night for five years ago now demands 6,000 baht." A European traveller in Pattaya was similarly aghast, reporting a 180-euro (around 7,000 baht) bill for a two-person dinner, sans alcohol.

While acknowledging global inflation, many feel that price hikes in Thailand have far outstripped typical inflationary pressures.

One European tourist put it bluntly: "Hotels jacking up prices from $100 to $200-300 a night can't be blamed on normal inflation. It's pure greed, that is."

Beyond accommodation and dining, the cost of getting to Thailand is also a major sticking point.

"I used to snag a flight to Thailand for just $300, but now it's nearly $1,000," lamented an American traveller. A Briton echoed this sentiment, stating: "I forked out £1,200 (about 54,000 baht) for my flight this year."

Even Thai nationals are feeling the pinch.
"As a Thai person, I can't even afford to travel in my own country anymore. Accommodation prices are too high, especially during holidays," one local resident complained.

A Thai woman added: "Being truly Thai, I can barely afford flight tickets or book decent hotels for a beach holiday in the south. It's too expensive for us locals."

Dodgy Systems, Visa Hassle, and a 30-Day Limit
Another significant bone of contention is the cumbersome and complex visa and immigration procedures, notably the TDAC system and the requirement for online registration three days prior to arrival.

"It's an unnecessary faff, especially for older folk who aren't tech-savvy," a German tourist grumbled. Furthermore, the reduction of the tourist visa duration from 60 to 30 days has irked long-stay visitors.

Cannabis Clouding the Appeal: "You Can Smell It Everywhere..."
Thailand's image is also suffering from the liberalisation of cannabis laws, which some perceive as attracting a less desirable type of tourist.

An Australian mother shared: "Our family didn't enjoy the constant smell of cannabis everywhere we went, especially with young children in tow."

A British tourist lamented, "It's not the country I remember. Now there are people stoned on cannabis all over the place."

Two-Tier Pricing: A Clear Case of Picking Favourites
Another major source of irritation is the inconsistent pricing structure that distinguishes between Thai nationals and foreign visitors.

A German tourist recounted: "I had to cough up 200 baht to enter a national park, while my girlfriend only paid 40 baht because she looks Thai. That's blatant discrimination."

This practice of inflated prices for foreigners extends to various services, from tourist sites and restaurants to transport.

Neighbours Offer Better Bang for Buck
Many travellers are drawing unfavourable comparisons with neighbouring countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, and the Philippines, which are increasingly seen as offering better value for money.

"I spent three months in Vietnam but only one month in Pattaya. That tells you something," one tourist remarked. Another added, "Cambodia has decent hotels for just $10 a night, and their festivals are brilliant too."

The comparisons across Southeast Asia are stark.

An Australian tourist noted, "Vietnam is rapidly improving its infrastructure, with high-speed trains, clean beaches, and the Vietnamese people are so welcoming to tourists."

A Briton observed, "Boracay in the Philippines is far more beautiful than Koh Samui. The water's clearer, the sand's cleaner, and the accommodation prices aren't outrageous."

One comment highlighted the shifting value proposition: "Japan isn't that much more expensive than Thailand these days. I was in Tokyo recently and found food prices weren't higher than in Bangkok, and the service was far better, cleaner, and safer."

A European traveller compared: "Malaysia has better infrastructure, diverse and delicious food, and you don't get the tourist scams."

Indonesia and Sri Lanka also received mentions.

"Bali has cheaper accommodation and food than Thailand, a strong culture, and stunning beaches," a Dutch tourist offered.

A British traveller suggested, "Sri Lanka is a fantastic destination with affordable luxury hotels, beautiful scenery, and friendly locals."

Quality Concerns and Tourist Swarms
The standard of tourist attractions is another key concern. A Scandinavian tourist revealed, "The beaches are filthy, full of rubbish, especially in Phuket. Kata Beach is awful. It's heartbreaking to see so much plastic waste."

Air pollution in major cities and hazardous cracked pavements were also cited as issues.

Overcrowding at major tourist hotspots, particularly Pattaya, Phuket, and Hua Hin, was a frequent complaint. An Australian tourist lamented, "Beaches that used to be serene and beautiful are now crammed with thousands of sun loungers. There's no space to relax peacefully anymore."

Discontent with certain groups of tourists is also souring the overall atmosphere. A British tourist recounted: "My last trip to Pattaya was ruined by tourists of a certain nationality. They assaulted my partner on the plane, and everywhere we went, they were rude to Thai people."

Another Australian added, "I love Thailand and have been coming here for 26 years, but the massive increase in tourists from India and Russia is making me reconsider my visits. Some areas in Pattaya now feel more like 'Little India' than Thailand."

Adding to the unease are safety concerns following the recent earthquake and building collapse at Chatuchak market.

"I'm scared to stay in high-rise buildings in Bangkok or anywhere in Thailand anymore, even though I live here," a foreign resident confessed.

Interestingly, some Thai voices suggest that a dip in tourist numbers might present an opportunity.

"We need quality tourists, not just quantity," one Thai commenter argued. Another stated, "Good, maybe this will give us time to rehabilitate the environment and improve infrastructure."

In their final thoughts, many expressed enduring affection for Thailand but a growing concern over its diminishing value.

"Thailand is still a beautiful place, and most Thai people are lovely, but with the higher prices, complicated systems, and declining quality, I'll have to look at other destinations, at least for the next few years," a long-term Canadian visitor concluded.

Another comment warned, "Thailand is no longer the only game in town in this region. Tourists now have a plethora of options in Southeast Asia that are cheaper and offer fresher experiences. If Thailand doesn't buck its ideas up, it could permanently lose market share."

https://www.nationthailand.com/life/travel/40049275
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