Big Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 2:16 pm
Is there not a good chance that if/when the world doesn't need oil anymore, the lithium producers will become all-powerful, and put stupid prices on lithium? We've seen the oil giants control prices for years. Will it not be human nature to see similar controls put on the mining of lithium?
There are many, many alternatives to lithium. None of them are quite as cost effective as lithium just yet but literally every day there is news on advancements in battery materials that will allow these other materials to rival or even surpass lithium within a few years.
Big Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 2:16 pm
Is there not a good chance that if/when the world doesn't need oil anymore, the lithium producers will become all-powerful, and put stupid prices on lithium? We've seen the oil giants control prices for years. Will it not be human nature to see similar controls put on the mining of lithium?
There are many, many alternatives to lithium. None of them are quite as cost effective as lithium just yet but literally every day there is news on advancements in battery materials that will allow these other materials to rival or even surpass lithium within a few years.
Sodium, for instance is almost there already.
Sodium? It's bad enough finding lithium, where will they ever find enough sodium?
Big Boy wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 2:16 pm
Is there not a good chance that if/when the world doesn't need oil anymore, the lithium producers will become all-powerful, and put stupid prices on lithium? We've seen the oil giants control prices for years. Will it not be human nature to see similar controls put on the mining of lithium?
There are many, many alternatives to lithium. None of them are quite as cost effective as lithium just yet but literally every day there is news on advancements in battery materials that will allow these other materials to rival or even surpass lithium within a few years.
Sodium, for instance is almost there already.
Sodium? It's bad enough finding lithium, where will they ever find enough sodium?
/sarc
Do some research!!
Sodium is 1000 times more abundant than lithium, potentially reducing supply chains and lowering battery costs, Tarascon says. Other advantages of sodium-ion batteries include high power, fast charging, and low-temperature operation
GroveHillWanderer wrote:
There are many, many alternatives to lithium. None of them are quite as cost effective as lithium just yet but literally every day there is news on advancements in battery materials that will allow these other materials to rival or even surpass lithium within a few years.
Sodium, for instance is almost there already.
Sodium? It's bad enough finding lithium, where will they ever find enough sodium?
/sarc
Do some research!!
Sodium is 1000 times more abundant than lithium, potentially reducing supply chains and lowering battery costs, Tarascon says. Other advantages of sodium-ion batteries include high power, fast charging, and low-temperature operation
hhinner wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 6:46 pm
Sodium? It's bad enough finding lithium, where will they ever find enough sodium?
/sarc
Do some research!!
Sodium is 1000 times more abundant than lithium, potentially reducing supply chains and lowering battery costs, Tarascon says. Other advantages of sodium-ion batteries include high power, fast charging, and low-temperature operation
I’d take the $$$ price with a pinch of salt. May apply in China, but they’ll probably double in price elsewhere.
America is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese imports.
I've lost my mind and I am making no effort to find it.
I’d take the $$$ price with a pinch of salt. May apply in China, but they’ll probably double in price elsewhere.
America is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese imports.
Yep, another Chinese copy funded by the government.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
STEVE G wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:46 am
It won’t be double the price in Thailand.
Thailand ... triple.
The prices of these things are still too silly for me, even with the "Chinese discount," and way too much tech to go wrong. Thais buy them for show show - a car is a status symbol, a fancy EV is bigger show. I read somewhere that EV sales here were actually down y-o-y.
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
Not sure that’s correct Buks, this article indicates a slowing of total car sales, but EV’s going up partly as a result of the subsidies being offered.
Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:21 pm
Not sure that’s correct Buks, this article indicates a slowing of total car sales, but EV’s going up partly as a result of the subsidies being offered.
This whole thread is full of negativity about EVs but I notice that since it started in 2017, worldwide sales have gone from around 1 million a year to about 15 million.
I did say before that I wasn't anti-EV ... and didn't want arguments, but there are too many evangelists in this thread, so I'm outta here and back to observation mode ...
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
