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pharvey wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:25 pm
STEVE G wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:28 pm Incidentally, I've just been looking into the BYD Dolphin again and the higher performance version has power and acceleration not far off the latest version of the VW Golf GTI which is pretty impressive considering it only costs about 20,000gbp in Thailand.
As far as I can see the BYD Dolphin is not available in the UK (yet), but I'm sure the "Higher Performance" model would be somewhat more than GBP 20K. Personally, I still don't really trust the safety of Chinese made vehicles (EV's or otherwise) - I have seen first hand and also experienced Expat friends in the automotive industry who are still based in China share my concerns. I've no doubt the last comment will result in several others detailing "Oh so wonderful safety stats", but I am what I am.

A BYD Dolphin with the performance of a VW Golf GTI? Well, I love fast cars, but don't have that level of "Death-Wish". VW, Mercedes et al may have have some bad press in recent years over the whole emissions fiasco, but not on safety.

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The Dolphin is now available in the UK but its price is just north of £30k for the larger battery version, so a lot more than it costs in Thailand. Lots of reviews available but here’s one.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/reviews/byd-dolphin
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Dannie Boy wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:48 am The Dolphin is now available in the UK but its price is just north of £30k for the larger battery version, so a lot more than it costs in Thailand. Lots of reviews available but here’s one.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/reviews/byd-dolphin
Thanks for that DB - I'll stick with my older AMG Merc that pi$$es everybody off including City Councils who will charge for entry into their "Green Wonderland" (my arse). I'll do 55+ to the Gallon on a long run (600 miles plus), it's quick and very safe. It will last me some time yet and we have the LHG's 1.3 L Audi that placates the affore mentioned Councils!! :neener:

Seriously though, I'm not interested in paying 30 odd K GBP for something that I'm not confident I can "re-fuel" when needed and have to work out routes that encounter a suitable electric socket. Plus the fact that it looks shite :D :wink:

When I move away from my current car, it'll be to a Hybrid - no question on that front.

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pharvey wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:11 am
Dannie Boy wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:48 am The Dolphin is now available in the UK but its price is just north of £30k for the larger battery version, so a lot more than it costs in Thailand. Lots of reviews available but here’s one.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/reviews/byd-dolphin
Thanks for that DB - I'll stick with my older AMG Merc....

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An AMG Merc is about five million baht in Thailand so I think the BYD is a bit more realistic.
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STEVE G wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:39 am An AMG Merc is about five million baht in Thailand so I think the BYD is a bit more realistic.
Well, to be fair mine's not exactly new - a 2013 model, but it's been looked after and not huge mileage (65K miles) as I've worked away a great deal in the past. Still goes extremely well but I wouldn't get a great deal for it - hence my preference to keep hold. We have plans for some long trips...... :D

When talking Thailand, of course the EV's can be a far more practical option - tax benefits etc. Not to mention Solar Charging!! :wink:
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Hertz is selling 20,000 electric vehicles to buy gasoline cars instead

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/11/busi ... index.html

Hertz, which has made a big push into electric vehicles in recent years, has decided it’s time to cut back. The company will sell off a third of its electric fleet, totaling roughly 20,000 vehicles, and use the money they bring to purchase more gasoline powered vehicles.

Electric vehicles have been hurting Hertz’s financials, executives have said, because, despite costing less to maintain, they have higher damage-repair costs and, also, higher depreciation.

“[C]ollision and damage repairs on an EV can often run about twice that associated with a comparable combustion engine vehicle,” Hertz CEO Stephen Scherr said in a recent analyst call.

And EV price declines in the new car market have pushed down the resale value of Hertz’s used EV rental cars.

“The MSRP declines in EVs over the course of 2023, driven primarily by Tesla, have driven the fair market value of our EVs lower as compared to last year, such that a salvage creates a larger loss and, therefore, greater burden,” Scherr said.

Simply put, people are generally willing to pay a certain amount less for a used car than for a new one. As the price of new car goes down, that also pushes down what people are willing to pay to buy a used one.

Hertz expects to take a loss of about $245 million due to depreciation on the EVs, an average of about $12,250, per vehicle the company said in an SEC filing.

While Hertz isn’t directly pointing a finger, it appears that Tesla has been largely to blame.

Tesla makes up about 80% of Hertz’s EV fleet, and, altogether, EVs make up about 11% of Hertz’s total rental fleet. Tesla has been aggressively cutting its vehicle prices leading other automakers to do the same for their electric vehicles. When automakers reduce the prices of new vehicles, that pushes down the value of those models in the used car market, causing rapid depreciation.

For rental car companies like Hertz, which sell lots of vehicles in the used car market, depreciation has a big impact on their business, and is a major factor when deciding which cars to have in their fleets.

Being a relatively new company, Tesla doesn’t have as many replacement parts at hand and trained repair technicians that other car companies have, Hertz executives have said, making it costly and time-consuming to get repairs.

Remember, in the likes of GM and other [automakers], there’s decades of establishment of a broad national parts supply network’” Hertz CEO Stephen Scherr said in a recent analyst call. “There’s an aftermarket of parts that is there, that is less mature, obviously, in the context of Tesla.”

Besides costing more to repair when they’re damaged in a crash, Scherr also said, EVs are also getting in more crashes. Again, Teslas, which make up 80% of Hertz’s EV rental fleet, are mostly the problem in both these areas, he has said.

“Our work with Tesla is to look at the performance of the car, so as to lower the risk of incidence of damage,” he said, “and we’re in very direct engagement with them on parts procurement and labor and the like.”

Hertz sells its used vehicles at auctions as well as directly to customers on its Hertz Car Sales website.
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PeteC wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:39 pm Hertz is selling 20,000 electric vehicles to buy gasoline cars instead
Well, hardly good press for EVs - then again there is the 2nd Hand Car Market!! The point is that this certainly highlights a major downside in EVs - the considerable repair costs (think also insurance).

Some more recent "Bad Press" for EVs (UK) and this again regarding fire.... This is certainly not the first incident involving Electric Buses in the UK and especially London over the past 9-10 years from when they were first introduced (numerous reports available).

"An electric double-decker bus burst into flames on Thursday morning, with shocked witnesses reporting a loud ‘bang’ on their commute.

Passers-by described the dramatic scenes after the blaze broke out in Wimbledon Hill Road, south west London shortly after 7.20am.

Three fire engines and around 15 firefighters attended the scene and 25m cordon and road closures are in place, the London Fire Brigade said.

“We heard a huge bang,” resident Max Pashley said. “We were terrified.” Another witness wrote on X: “Not what we expect to see on the school run…. Bus on fire - and the fumes are awful….”

Have you been affected by this incident? Email athena.stavrou@independent.co.uk

People have been advised to avoid the area after police, ambulances, and firefighters all rushed to the scene during rush hour.

In footage and pictures from the scene, the electric bus appears to be the 200 route going from Mitcham to Raynes Park.

Electric buses were introduced to the capital in 2014. There are now around 1,000 zero emission buses in operation across London, of which electric vehicles form a large proportion, according to TfL."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRuE7C3EFmY

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 76914.html
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Bearing in mind that the UK is planning to ban the sale of new petrol/diesel vehicles in 6 years time, EV's are getting a lot of bad press.
Charging an electric car in public is now more expensive than filling up with petrol
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https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electr ... costs-fuel
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, EV's are getting a lot of bad press.
Yes, most of it paid for by the fossil fuel and conventional car manufacturer lobby groups.
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STEVE G wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:25 pm
, EV's are getting a lot of bad press.
Yes, most of it paid for by the fossil fuel and conventional car manufacturer lobby groups.
Oh come on Steve. I've said on many, many occasions I'm not anti EVs. I also doubt the Government, manufacturers, Fossil Fuel providers or USERS (as like you, I and every other fecker on God's earth are :wink: ) need to provide the press with "Fake News"? There's enough of that around already.

Let's not get on to who's paid for or "Lobby Groups" - a vastly different subject. But hell, a new thread on that could certainly add some interest and a bit of fire to the Forum!!

[EDIT] Honestly, I don't need these groups, associations or whomever to tell me why or why not to buy an EV, a Petrol or Diesel car. I'll look at the simple facts and finances of where I am and the TRUE impact on the environment.

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To be honest, I'm still rather attracted to the idea of driving around for free on solar charging in Thailand. All these arguments against ev's seem pretty trivial to me when stacked against not having to spend a thousand odd baht at the filling station every few days.
That's a pretty big plus to me, particularly when thinking of the future when I'll be retired and living on a reduced budget.
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This is a new one, at least for me. Special tyres needed for EV's if you want long tyre life.

Goodyear takes up EV tyre challenge

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/mo ... -challenge
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PeteC wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:34 pm This is a new one, at least for me. Special tyres needed for EV's if you want long tyre life.
It's not new PeteC, many have complained in years past. I posted quite some time back relating to a good friend of mine and his experience with a Tesla Model 3. Loved the performance, liked the car, hated the cost of repairing/replacing tyres. It's one of the factors that I'm looking at Re: EVs or Hybrids or stay with the tried and trusted ICE. The tyres on my car cost a bloody fortune (wide, Low Profile etc), but they certainly don't need to be replaced as often as I've heard of those on EVs.
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The Wimbledon bus immolation is another nail in the coffin for EVs and their apologists.
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2/cb wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:09 pm The Wimbledon bus immolation is another nail in the coffin for EVs and their apologists.
There are way over half a million electric buses in China:

How China's buses shaped the world's EV revolution
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2023 ... with-buses
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STEVE G wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:16 am To be honest, I'm still rather attracted to the idea of driving around for free on solar charging in Thailand. All these arguments against ev's seem pretty trivial to me when stacked against not having to spend a thousand odd baht at the filling station every few days.
That's a pretty big plus to me, particularly when thinking of the future when I'll be retired and living on a reduced budget.
That is the first time anybody has made an EV sound attractive to me. Thank you Steve. I still can't see me investing any time soon though.
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