And is there a discount rate if you buy a lot?HHDRC facing closure. We need immediate help!
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DawnHRD
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We use the cheapest we can find (not always nutritionally great, but better than they get on the streets!) 250 baht for a 10kg sack of dry adult food, 290 bt for 10kg of puppy food. 18bt a 400g tin of canned food (usually used for giving meds, but occasionally as a supplement), 32 bt for a kilo of frozen dog mince & 62 bt for 5 kilos of rice. Veggies are 20bt for a huge sack (not good for humans anymore at the market).
No, we don't get a discount, although the petshop occasionally throws in a bag for free or some samples. We have appealed directly to manufacturers for free or discounted food in return for advertising on our website or similar, but only one bothered to reply & visit; they then decided to go with another facility rather than us.
No, we don't get a discount, although the petshop occasionally throws in a bag for free or some samples. We have appealed directly to manufacturers for free or discounted food in return for advertising on our website or similar, but only one bothered to reply & visit; they then decided to go with another facility rather than us.
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Hm, well, tell me where the shop is, and i will provide you with 200kg of adult food, and 100kg of puppy food sometime in the near future (waiting for some cash at the moment)...
Hey, i love dogs, if i could, i would sponsor your whole programme, sadly, i have to many expenses at the moment
Hey, i love dogs, if i could, i would sponsor your whole programme, sadly, i have to many expenses at the moment
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Thank you so much, Locturian. That's great. The shop we use is on the corner of soi 47 & Petchkasem Rd. It's attached to a pharmacy. They know which brands we buy, but if it helps, the adult is Apro IQ and the puppy is Bonus Puppy. Thanks again! 
They do deliver to us for free, BTW.
They do deliver to us for free, BTW."The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But, can they suffer?" - Jeremy Bentham, philosopher, 1748-1832
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Make a dog's life better, today!
I have followed this thread with interest from its inception. It is clear that Dawn has a terrific commitment to her self appointed task. But it is also clear that the HHDRC is bound to fail sooner or later if it continues to operate in its current format.
Any enterprise, be it a business or charity needs to balance its income in time and money against its expenditure, HHDRC is obviously not doing this; Dawn and her mother using their own funds and Dawn taking on extra duties is not a solution.
I would suggest that a study of the operations of the centre with a view to finding achieveable objectives, given the time and income that can reasonably be expected to be forthcoming, would be better than having to make urgent appeals for money that simply enable the centre to continue on to the next crisis point.
I would strongly expect that such a study would conclude that a major downsizing of the centres activities was necessary, which is perhaps why such a study has not been taken before.
To Randy,
Many of the retired expats here have worked long and hard all their lives, they are not lazy and neither are they stupid. If they are not falling over themselves to contribute their time and money, I suspect that it is because they have come to the same conclusions as myself and are reluctant to throw good money after bad.
Any enterprise, be it a business or charity needs to balance its income in time and money against its expenditure, HHDRC is obviously not doing this; Dawn and her mother using their own funds and Dawn taking on extra duties is not a solution.
I would suggest that a study of the operations of the centre with a view to finding achieveable objectives, given the time and income that can reasonably be expected to be forthcoming, would be better than having to make urgent appeals for money that simply enable the centre to continue on to the next crisis point.
I would strongly expect that such a study would conclude that a major downsizing of the centres activities was necessary, which is perhaps why such a study has not been taken before.
To Randy,
Many of the retired expats here have worked long and hard all their lives, they are not lazy and neither are they stupid. If they are not falling over themselves to contribute their time and money, I suspect that it is because they have come to the same conclusions as myself and are reluctant to throw good money after bad.
This is a worthy cause. It might fail, yes, if everyone is as narrowminded as you. Surely, this project is not one of the most lucrative for people to support, neither does is have the same coverage as many other charity things, like the big Unicef. I personally think it's great that someone wants to help out those whom cannot help them selves - i.e. the dogs in Thailand. If some people just chips in a bit, it should be OK! Personally, I will keep the HHDRC in mind when talking to people, or even put in an effort from time to time, writing some e-mails to potential sponsors. I'm not losing much by doing so, and neither would you.
Old guys comming to Thailand, wanting to relax and do nothing to contribute to the country that is always smiling at them, should go home. Really, fuck off!
I've always had a soft heart for animals, and even more so in Thailand where so many suffers. It makes me sick when people like you mention, comes here, playing kings, and using the excuse that their old and have been working for many years. Well, buy a motorbike instead of a potent-enhancing chopper and donate some to those who need it more.
Old guys comming to Thailand, wanting to relax and do nothing to contribute to the country that is always smiling at them, should go home. Really, fuck off!
I've always had a soft heart for animals, and even more so in Thailand where so many suffers. It makes me sick when people like you mention, comes here, playing kings, and using the excuse that their old and have been working for many years. Well, buy a motorbike instead of a potent-enhancing chopper and donate some to those who need it more.
Beer Sing Kaab!
Locturian
I think Dougal was proposing a business plan as a possible solution. I don't think he was having a dig.
There are many ways to solve problems, and perhaps Dougal's point is worthy of consideration by Dawn.
If Dawn feels so offended perhaps she can be in charge of distributing her own foul langauge instead of you attacking anyone with an opinion different to yours.
I think it is true that many Expat's will not want to donate time, this is a reality. I for one cannot, although I do support Dawn's objectives, and her cause. Others, I am sure are in similar positions to me.
Old or young, it does not mean that they do not contribute to Thailand.
And you, Locturian, I see your posts have time conditions added to them, why not now? I think the help is needed now, not next month. Furthermore, with so much time on your hands to type posts, why don't you do a shift in the shop each week? Perhaps you have valid reasons, and I'm sure you do. So do others.
No need to be so quick to judge or to insult. I doubt very much that Dawn would take such an approach.
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I think Dougal was proposing a business plan as a possible solution. I don't think he was having a dig.
There are many ways to solve problems, and perhaps Dougal's point is worthy of consideration by Dawn.
If Dawn feels so offended perhaps she can be in charge of distributing her own foul langauge instead of you attacking anyone with an opinion different to yours.
I think it is true that many Expat's will not want to donate time, this is a reality. I for one cannot, although I do support Dawn's objectives, and her cause. Others, I am sure are in similar positions to me.
Old or young, it does not mean that they do not contribute to Thailand.
And you, Locturian, I see your posts have time conditions added to them, why not now? I think the help is needed now, not next month. Furthermore, with so much time on your hands to type posts, why don't you do a shift in the shop each week? Perhaps you have valid reasons, and I'm sure you do. So do others.
No need to be so quick to judge or to insult. I doubt very much that Dawn would take such an approach.
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Sitting in a nice sunny room on a comfy chair reading a book, doing the Bangkok post crossword or doing work on my laptop for a few hours a week is certainly not hard work, I'd be doing the same thing at home so where's the difference?
Another thing, I have met a lot of new friends whilst working in the shop, very nice people indeed.....
Unfortunately I have to go home soon for about 3 months, so poor old Dawn is another volunteer down! Sorry Dawn, I'll be back soon, hang in there.....
Another thing, I have met a lot of new friends whilst working in the shop, very nice people indeed.....
Unfortunately I have to go home soon for about 3 months, so poor old Dawn is another volunteer down! Sorry Dawn, I'll be back soon, hang in there.....
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Winkie, you might be right - But still, it's a bit cynical for my taste. When someones tries to put out the light, and proclaim failure to a noble cause, i get angry... But i appreciate the ideas to improve the project....
If i indeed had the time, i would also spend time helping, but right now i have 1 fulltime job, 1 partime job and opening up a business - So have 0 time left at the end of the day. But, as my work is internet related, i can use a bit time here and there posting. Also, i can put some money, when i have some left over, on this project. I realise that now is the time for help, but i have to have the cash first
But i appreciate the ideas to improve the project....If i indeed had the time, i would also spend time helping, but right now i have 1 fulltime job, 1 partime job and opening up a business - So have 0 time left at the end of the day. But, as my work is internet related, i can use a bit time here and there posting. Also, i can put some money, when i have some left over, on this project. I realise that now is the time for help, but i have to have the cash first
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I didn't suggest that was the reason that people were unwilling to give their time. There are of course a myriad of reasons, but one I did suggest was that some at least would be unwilling to devote time or money to an enterprise that they thought had no long term future.Randy Cornhole wrote:Sitting in a nice sunny room on a comfy chair reading a book, doing the Bangkok post crossword or doing work on my laptop for a few hours a week is certainly not hard work,
Without volunteers to run the shop employing staff at the going rate might be an answer - that would probably mean cutting back elsewhere if freeing up Dawn did not generate the additional income. Only a critical look at the operations would get near to an answer.
In an ideal world money and time match what the aims and objectives require. The reality is that aims and objectives usually need to be tailored to match the money and time available.
Hello Dawn,
I have not met you as yet but it is very easy to see that you are a good person who would be loathe to hurt anyone or anything.
I have read this section from the time you first posted your plea.
Whilst I am not in a position to be of much help financialy I immediately wanted to help in a small way but the cost of transfering funds makes it very uneconomical. eg Aus$25.00 per transaction plus possibly fees at your end.
I think the first thing you must do is get a facility whereby you can obtain payment by credit card over the internet .
You have mentioned that it would be impossible for you as you dont have a credit card, however can any of the local business people assist. Maybe set it up through the vet or someone else.
The second thing that I must say (and I will probably regret it because I know it will hurt you) is that you must rationalise your costs to suit your income.
Pete said it in the nicest possible way, others have tried, and others have been very blunt. How can you justify spending money and time on very sick dogs when you know they will never fully recover. Paralised ,Dementia ,Very old ,Incurable should be put down humanely.
You may have trouble convincing your vet about this if he is Buddhist but if he wont do it, leave the dogs on the street. The cost of one painless injection would be miniscule compared to regular vet bills and feed and handling costs while they recover.
The last thing I will say is. Is it possible that when you get a call to assist a sick or injured dog that you ask the caller for a donation.
Once again Dawn I apologise if I have hurt your feelings.
I have not met you as yet but it is very easy to see that you are a good person who would be loathe to hurt anyone or anything.
I have read this section from the time you first posted your plea.
Whilst I am not in a position to be of much help financialy I immediately wanted to help in a small way but the cost of transfering funds makes it very uneconomical. eg Aus$25.00 per transaction plus possibly fees at your end.
I think the first thing you must do is get a facility whereby you can obtain payment by credit card over the internet .
You have mentioned that it would be impossible for you as you dont have a credit card, however can any of the local business people assist. Maybe set it up through the vet or someone else.
The second thing that I must say (and I will probably regret it because I know it will hurt you) is that you must rationalise your costs to suit your income.
Pete said it in the nicest possible way, others have tried, and others have been very blunt. How can you justify spending money and time on very sick dogs when you know they will never fully recover. Paralised ,Dementia ,Very old ,Incurable should be put down humanely.
You may have trouble convincing your vet about this if he is Buddhist but if he wont do it, leave the dogs on the street. The cost of one painless injection would be miniscule compared to regular vet bills and feed and handling costs while they recover.
The last thing I will say is. Is it possible that when you get a call to assist a sick or injured dog that you ask the caller for a donation.
Once again Dawn I apologise if I have hurt your feelings.
You only live once.
LEAVE THE SICK DOGS ON THE STREET.
How the hell do you expect a dog lover such as Dawn or anyone to just abandon a dog to die in pain on the streets. If the Thai people do not put their dogs down due to religion then thats the way it is no matter what we think. So the only thing is for people like us to help and stop making stupid comments
How the hell do you expect a dog lover such as Dawn or anyone to just abandon a dog to die in pain on the streets. If the Thai people do not put their dogs down due to religion then thats the way it is no matter what we think. So the only thing is for people like us to help and stop making stupid comments
The first thing I would do is find a way that people could make donations throught HHDRC which I am sure that Dawn is already doing, and hoping that enough money is being donated so there are no sick dogs on the street in HH.
When I was there at Christmas all the leftover food we had I used to take it down to the dogs in our Soi and feed them. This was before I found HHDRC on the internet. I would like to give as much help as I can to the rescue centre but as I am not yet retired ( but hopefull soon ) I cannot do much. So instead of putting ( I KNOW YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS BUT ) comment be positive and imput positive remarks to help
When I was there at Christmas all the leftover food we had I used to take it down to the dogs in our Soi and feed them. This was before I found HHDRC on the internet. I would like to give as much help as I can to the rescue centre but as I am not yet retired ( but hopefull soon ) I cannot do much. So instead of putting ( I KNOW YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS BUT ) comment be positive and imput positive remarks to help
Dawn, firstly I wish you good luck in your quest to make HHDR successful. Here is my suggestions / observations which may be naive, but I hope are helpful and I am genuinely intrigued:
You say the HHDR is located next to the Thai run dog home. One would assume the Thai run dog home (compound / whatever) is funded by some Thai charity (kings charity?) Have you approached the management of this dog compound with a view to amalgamation? Would it not be preferable for ferangs to be working with Thais on this problem rather than separate? It seems to me it could be seen to be a bit "separatist" to have your centre next to (actually in), their centre. You have said in a previous post they view your organisation as 'interfering'. Perhaps they see you as a 'competitor' to their charity, and you might even have similar views about them?
There are obviously many Ferangs who support the good work you are doing and are willing to help with financial contribution. Armed with that knowledge I would assume you would have a good case to take to the management of the compound, offering your services, working with them, working together. You could be the 'fund raising arm' of the ferang community and also spokesperson on how sick dogs should be treated. Bringing in funds would surely give you some clout although you would have to concede on some issues as is normal in every day life.
I accept this may be an ill informed suggestion, but thought I'd offer it anyway. As for contributions from me, I always have felt charity to be personal and prefer anonymity, but I will gladly openly pledge financial help to any neutering program which I believe will be the most effective way to avoid suffering of poor dogs in the future.
You say the HHDR is located next to the Thai run dog home. One would assume the Thai run dog home (compound / whatever) is funded by some Thai charity (kings charity?) Have you approached the management of this dog compound with a view to amalgamation? Would it not be preferable for ferangs to be working with Thais on this problem rather than separate? It seems to me it could be seen to be a bit "separatist" to have your centre next to (actually in), their centre. You have said in a previous post they view your organisation as 'interfering'. Perhaps they see you as a 'competitor' to their charity, and you might even have similar views about them?
There are obviously many Ferangs who support the good work you are doing and are willing to help with financial contribution. Armed with that knowledge I would assume you would have a good case to take to the management of the compound, offering your services, working with them, working together. You could be the 'fund raising arm' of the ferang community and also spokesperson on how sick dogs should be treated. Bringing in funds would surely give you some clout although you would have to concede on some issues as is normal in every day life.
I accept this may be an ill informed suggestion, but thought I'd offer it anyway. As for contributions from me, I always have felt charity to be personal and prefer anonymity, but I will gladly openly pledge financial help to any neutering program which I believe will be the most effective way to avoid suffering of poor dogs in the future.