Jet Ski's

Post by **DawnHRD** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:24 pm

sargeant wrote: The danish boy will be 16 this week had he been over 16 at the time of the accident he would have faced criminal charges
Blame the A$%#hole renting them without helmets Blame the local Govt for NOT regulating it by all means but blaming the parents and the boy just because he survived is disengenuous to say the least
Just because you choose not to drive does not mean that others shouldnt and all of us start as non drivers
If your logic is to be followed if your 50 yr old m/c taxi driver ploughs into a 14 year old side on having jumped the lights then its the kid at fault
The other kid was 18/19 as far as i can gather with his girlfriend on the back do you think he had gathered such a vastly greater ammount of self control more than the survivor in a paltry 2/3 years

My blame is for the renter for no crash hats and the local authorities for no control
my sympathy
i reserve for the parents BOTH sets and i am sure the young danish boy distraught and inconsolable has been punished enough

Children should not be allowed to operate dangerous machinery or drive. Full stop. There are laws against this in most countries (from what I've read, even here, though not enforced) for one reason - children are not considered mature enough, physically or mentally to operate these machines in a proper way.
If you'll re-read my posts you'll find that I do blame the person that rented out the jetski, most emphatically. I also think the judge was wrong to apportion no blame, particularly to the owner of the jetski. But why should the boy & his parents escape blame? I accept it was an accident. I accept it could have been the man who'd died's fault, just as much. But you cannot deny, if an underage boy had not wanted a thrill, without any thought to danger involved to himself & others, if his parents had said "No, you're too young. Sorry.", if the jetski owner had said "No, too young", there would not have been an accident involving that youngster.

I am not saying no-one should drive. I am saying those that cannot drive should not be in charge of jetskis. If you don't know how to control a car or bike, what makes you think you can control a jetski?

There is such a thing as cause & effect. We should start taking responsibility for our own actions.

And I'm afraid I can't see where in my posts I am being disingenuous (insincere or not candid). I am perfectly sincere & candid in how I feel about these things and children being allowed to use them.

Post by **Locturian** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:32 pm

sargeant, i've pb'ed you...

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:31 pm

Dawn lots of if and maybes and very scant facts
1. Maybe the parents were not there to stop him but would have had they been there
Oh sorry i forgot they should have had him shackled to their ankles, he was 5 days short of 16 years old for crying out loud wait till Farook is that age and see how hard it is to control his every movement and action
One question dawn i know exactely my age for sex it wasnt sixteen but the law says it should be at what age did you become full of all lifes wisdoms is it carved in stone does every person gain this wisdom on the same day
Oh i forgot at 16 years of age gotcha ill let you down gently i and most people i know still havent recieved this wondrous eutopian revelation that you keep talking about
it was a sad tragic accident blaming the victims does not do any good whatsoever
Start a crusade to get the bluddy things controlled banned or scrapped now that would do some good

Post by **DawnHRD** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:15 pm

sargeant wrote:Dawn lots of if and maybes and very scant facts
1. Maybe the parents were not there to stop him but would have had they been there
Oh sorry i forgot they should have had him shackled to their ankles, he was 5 days short of 16 years old for crying out loud wait till Farook is that age and see how hard it is to control his every movement and action
One question dawn i know exactely my age for sex it wasnt sixteen but the law says it should be at what age did you become full of all lifes wisdoms is it carved in stone does every person gain this wisdom on the same day
Oh i forgot at 16 years of age gotcha ill let you down gently i and most people i know still havent recieved this wondrous eutopian revelation that you keep talking about
it was a sad tragic accident blaming the victims does not do any good whatsoever
Start a crusade to get the bluddy things controlled banned or scrapped now that would do some good

Who mentioned 16? Certainly not me. I simply said that someone (of any age, I even referred to myself!) who cannot drive should not be driving a jetski and that children should not operate any dangerous machinery.
What Utopian revelation am I talking about? I don't remember referring to anything that even resembled a Utopian revelation, let alone a wondrous one.
To me, adulthood doesn't even have a look-in at 16, but I'll concede that greater & wiser minds than mine have dictated that (for some things) this is one of the legal ages to start some adult behaviour.

As for starting a crusade, think I'll pass on that one. Being full of "life's wisdom" as I seem to think I am, I'm beginning to see that my crusades do nothing but get me ridiculed. Think for 2007, I'm going to start voting with the majority & do nothing that doesn't directly benefit me.

BTW, could've done with you 20 years ago for my English A-levels. If you can interpret that much out of my posts, just think what you could do with the works of Shakespeare, Blake or Hardy.
Fin

Post by **Kraka's Dad** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:33 pm

Dawn,

Just keep up your common sense approach and forget about him.
He is having one of his rants you know what he can be like.

I for one and I'm sure many others would miss your posts.
They are practical and unbiased with a lot of good common sense.

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:10 pm

At what age do you start driving or riding m/c etc as i have stated everybody who drives started with no knowledge whatsoever your logic says noone should drive as they cannot start until they have experience

In western countries i see on tv babys of 5/6/7 riding go carts m/c a 9 year old in the usa holds a pilots licence and the public glorifying it

I posted this as per title of topic crash helmets

Blame and age cometh not from me dawn both of which are irrelevant to the title of this topic or my original post

I also agree they should be contolled or better still banned completely i also agree that the age laws should be enforced even though a fifty year old can be a bigger prat than a nine year old on occasion

your honour i rest my case

Post by **Kraka's Dad** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:20 pm

Sarg you started the jetski business

You can be so pompus and self righteous.
Just calm down and stop having a go at one of the nicest and most common sensical posters on this forum.
Too many changs perhaps??

Post by **JimboPSM** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:34 pm

IMHO this thread has now become two separate topics which, at best, can only be said to have a fairly tenuous link.

Could someone please sort it out?

Post by **dane48** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:13 pm

On the Jet-ski story

This has just been mentioned in the Danish Radio News. Nothing much added to what we know from Sarge, except, that the Danish family is still in Thailand, as they are not allowed to leave. The Chinese family claim redemption - 500.000 Kroner (little less $ 100.000). There was a telephone interview with the mother - no word of regret or anything - only complained that they where not allowed to go home.

Post by **PeteC** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:39 pm

For God freaking sake, here we are preaching at each other for what? Either people do or don't and if they don't, we sure as hell are not going to change their mind. Or, are the posts now mild suggestions to naive tourists telling them how to behave when here?

If they're stupid enough to bike around in bikinis and no helmet and they fall off, OOPs, I won't do that next time I'm in Thailand...unless I am very, very stupid, or dead.

This is a what I've been told many times when starting discussions here...."use your search engine and look it up". Start with 'BROKEN HEAD" .

Sarge, if you get more pedantic than you already are, remember you are a civilian now, what you learned in the military has absolutely little use in civilian life, especially in Thailand. You want to fight? I don't ...we just want you to think before you post and stop being a horse's ass and dragging meaningless semantics on forever and forever . In addition, your selection of good English and bad English impresses WHO? Perhaps you only, sitting back with a chuckle and waiting to see who can figure out your uneducated tongue (when you want it to be that way).

But no, you are indeed educated when you want to post clearly. You ain't no damn sargent major anymore and the sooner you understand that and post NORMALLY, the more respect you'll get. Pete

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:21 pm

Pete go back and read my first post no details whatsoever

this was answered with blame with no facts to substantiate the blame no evidence to back it up either

It does not detract that it was a post to reinforce the wearing of crash helmets which forgive me for being pedantic is the title of this thread

I will agree that people will or they wont however dont be surprised if when you are walking towards an open manhole cover someone actually has the sheer audacity to shout look out

By the way i have been a civilian for 25 years i am as civilian as you freakin are

Post by **richard** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:42 pm

Ok guys

Calm down

Let me tell you a funny to settle things

About 4 years ago I decided to rent a bike and together with another couple we'ed find a beach down south. However as a real old fashioned biker never driven an automatic scooter type thing. So after hiring it from corner of Poonsuk and Binterban I decided to have a little test spin round the temple courtyard. All fine until I came out into Poonsuk and straight into a police roadblock. First and only I've ever seen. No helmet going up a one way street and it had to be me and a load of Thais too

Got a Thai friend to bail me out and go and pay the 200bt . The police were hilarious and only wanted to know whether I was Liverpool or Manu fan. I told them I was a Leed supporter and after a few gratuitious fags was dispatched

Never tried again and wont

Post by **dr dave soul monsta** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:31 am

The story so far with this item

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct ... 3Dth&cid=0

sargeant · Post by **sargeant** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:58 am

Thanks for that dr dave i am honour bound not to release details

Post by **Locturian** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:50 pm

After this thing has been in the Danish media, their inssurance company has offered to lend them 500.000kr (3 mil. bath) to pay for the Chinese mans family. They also offered to pay for the Danish familys return flight to Denmark, when the time comes. This could take 4-8 weeks, as the Chinese mans body has to go trough an obtopsy (spelled that right?). When this is completed, the Danish boy will get his passport back, and he can go home. A Thai judge already sentenced that he was without blaim in the accident.

So, it looks like the boy is going home. I hope he have learned a lesson, never to play with powerfull machines again, if he is not properly trained. Funny enough, the boy blaims the Chinese man, and said that it was him, that made a u-turn, splashing water in his eyes, making him temp-blind. hmm...

On a ralated note, i picked up yet ANOTHER jet-ski accident story:

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Police Lieutenant Colonel Egadit from Dongtan Police Sub-Station was called to Jomtien Beach in front of Soi 9 over the weekend to investigate an accident involving a Jet Ski and an inflatable boat which claimed the life of a Thai man. We begin at the Bangkok-Pattaya Hospital where Medical staff admitted Khun Niwat aged 26 with a serious head injury. Moments later a further rescue ambulance arrived containing the body of Khun Wirawit aged 18 who sustained a fatal head trauma.

Back at the crash site, Police spoke with the driver of the Jet Ski, Mr. Jarko Kalevi Huovinen aged 37 from Sweden who Police suspect was in a drunken state. He sustained only minor cuts and bruises in the collision. The driver of the speed boat which was towing the inflatable device carrying the Thai men, Khun Mondree aged 21, mentioned that he was about to return to the shoreline when the Jet Ski approached at speed and failed to see the boat and a high speed collision took place. For now, Mr. Huovinen has been placed under arrest and is facing charges relating to the accident.

It is not clear if the Jet Ski operator will also face charges relating to allowing the Jet Ski to be taken out by a man who was suspected of being drunk

-Pattaya City News
Monday 15th January 2007
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When, oh when will they learn!