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Sarge you seem a little riled with some opinion on the jet ski matter please bear in mind whilst people do sympathize with what happened in Cha am they may have their own feelings and thoughts on the matter and are allowed to express them here
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Jet Ski's
i have been offline a week and was surprised this thread did not mention JET SKIs after the fatal accident at cha am when a young chinese man was killed by a 15 year old danish boy, Crushed skull My danish friend over on his annual holiday has been assisting the danish family as he is a lawyer and not only is one boy dead but the danish boy is inconsolable two lives ruined
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Havn't seen anything in the news here either.Locturian wrote:I understand, but i puzzles me that is has not been in the Danish media...
Good luck to the boy, i'm sure is was an accident. Although, i can't really figure out, why a 15 year old, is allowed to handle those awsome engine powers of a jetski - Those things are monsters
The problem is general, as there are only few rules for traffic at sea, it's still legal to drink and sail, as long you dont mess up and very few limits around speed and age.
A kind of drivers license for those killer-machines would be appriciated.
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Why the sympathy for the Danish boy? He is too young to have a drivers licence in his own country, and should not have been in control of the jet-ski. He & his parents deserve every ounce of guilt & remorse they are feeling right now. They were irresponsible and so was the jet-ski owner should be prosecuted for renting it out to someone so young. I hope he is being prosecuted?
My only sympathies are for the man who died and his family.
My only sympathies are for the man who died and his family.
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Both BOYS were riding jet skis Neither had a helmet it was a very unfortunate accident the judge found no blame on either boy
please do not jump to conclusions my information is scant only through my friend and i can only say that the Danish boy is devastated and inconsolable sitting in judgement and climbing high horses does not do anything positive
I hope any holidaymakers present and future will demand a helmet or not rent the jetskis
please do not jump to conclusions my information is scant only through my friend and i can only say that the Danish boy is devastated and inconsolable sitting in judgement and climbing high horses does not do anything positive
I hope any holidaymakers present and future will demand a helmet or not rent the jetskis
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So sad to hear about such an accident!!
There are few things I detest so much in this world as those jetskis! (And this is from a formerly avid water skiier) another is those ultra-lights "flying lawnmowers" and leaf blowers too while we are at it. ..anyway, this gets back to one of my posts on motorcycle safety.
Why is it that any child big enough to reach the controls can drive a cycle around Hua Hin ( with or without two or three passengers) without fear of being stopped.
The same attitude seems to have applied to the renters of the jet skis. Hey, he can reach the pedals. .go for it.
There are few things I detest so much in this world as those jetskis! (And this is from a formerly avid water skiier) another is those ultra-lights "flying lawnmowers" and leaf blowers too while we are at it. ..anyway, this gets back to one of my posts on motorcycle safety.
Why is it that any child big enough to reach the controls can drive a cycle around Hua Hin ( with or without two or three passengers) without fear of being stopped.
The same attitude seems to have applied to the renters of the jet skis. Hey, he can reach the pedals. .go for it.
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I don't think anyone is jumping to conclusions.
Jet Skis are very dangerous, they are also very good fun. This can and should be managed.
I looked (only very breifly) at buying one last year, and was told that you do need to have a liciense to ride one according to Thai regulations (something like a Day Skipper licence in UK perhaps).
Better regulation, and special areas for Jet Skis (and espicially prohibited zones) should exist.
Worse than the tourists are the Thai touts that seem oftne to take please in riding these things as fast adn as close as possible to bathers.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Jet Skiing, but there is a correct behaviour and place to do it.
Having said all this, I see the situation only worsening, and not improving. Better control and restricted areas only increases cost and hassles to the Thai operators - why bother when you can laze around and just rent out an uninsured, unregistered and unmaintained machine for as much money as possible.
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I don't think anyone is jumping to conclusions.
Jet Skis are very dangerous, they are also very good fun. This can and should be managed.
I looked (only very breifly) at buying one last year, and was told that you do need to have a liciense to ride one according to Thai regulations (something like a Day Skipper licence in UK perhaps).
Better regulation, and special areas for Jet Skis (and espicially prohibited zones) should exist.
Worse than the tourists are the Thai touts that seem oftne to take please in riding these things as fast adn as close as possible to bathers.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Jet Skiing, but there is a correct behaviour and place to do it.
Having said all this, I see the situation only worsening, and not improving. Better control and restricted areas only increases cost and hassles to the Thai operators - why bother when you can laze around and just rent out an uninsured, unregistered and unmaintained machine for as much money as possible.
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The facts you have presented are that a 15 year old boy rented and operated a jetski, which was involved in an accident in which a person died. Correct? He is too young to be in control of such a dangerous machine. If he is that young, then I presume he has no (legal) knowledge of how to ride a motorbike or drive a car? So, why am I getting on my high horse by blaming him, his parents & the owner of the jetski who rented it out? Who else should be blamed?sargeant wrote:Both BOYS were riding jet skis Neither had a helmet it was a very unfortunate accident the judge found no blame on either boy
please do not jump to conclusions my information is scant only through my friend and i can only say that the Danish boy is devastated and inconsolable sitting in judgement and climbing high horses does not do anything positive
I hope any holidaymakers present and future will demand a helmet or not rent the jetskis
If he had been driving a motorbike on the road & it had hit a motorbike with my son & a family friend or myself on it, would it still be an accident with no-one to blame? Certainly not in my mind!
Sarge, you drew the parallel between motorbikes & jetskis. IMO an accident on either when one of the parties is a minor (and if your capitalisation of BOYS suggests that both were, well the other one paid the ultimate price, sadly) puts the responsibility firmly on their shoulders & their parents'.
I am 37 years old, with no knowledge of how to drive. Therefore I wouldn't attempt to operate a jetski. Why should a kid get told "it's OK, it was an accident" when being so irresponsible?
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I don't know Cha-am so well, but it is the only place I have jet-skied and that was 17 years ago. I'm not really sure how busy things are there now with these contraptions and the banana boats etc.
I must say that there has been a steady increase of these around HH beach. A number of years ago (I forget exactly how many), they were not allowed at all - by Royal decree. They were trying to introduce them when another unfortunate Westerner was killed when his vehicle hit partially submerged rocks.
Having been on one once, I know the thrill you can get out of them, but as HH and CA develop, it's just too dangerous to have them anywhere near bathers.
I wholeheartedly agree that people should be able to enjoy themselves, but in a restricted area, as Winkie has said. Also, if there are laws governing the age and ability of those who ride them, then they should be enforced.
However, try telling that to a Thai who sees a few hundred Baht coming his/her way.
I must say that there has been a steady increase of these around HH beach. A number of years ago (I forget exactly how many), they were not allowed at all - by Royal decree. They were trying to introduce them when another unfortunate Westerner was killed when his vehicle hit partially submerged rocks.
Having been on one once, I know the thrill you can get out of them, but as HH and CA develop, it's just too dangerous to have them anywhere near bathers.
I wholeheartedly agree that people should be able to enjoy themselves, but in a restricted area, as Winkie has said. Also, if there are laws governing the age and ability of those who ride them, then they should be enforced.
However, try telling that to a Thai who sees a few hundred Baht coming his/her way.
Dawn i must say it again that the info i have given is very scant .
When initially told of this accident i said but they are banned exactely as my mate said when i told him.
As for the accident itself it could have been the dead boy being silly noone knows for sure what happened i certainly dont neither do you Being stupid is not the sole prerogative of youth
Your views on the age of riding jetskis does not gel with thailand i probably agree with you on those issues but and its a big but 13/14 year old kids here ride to and from school every day under the police noses and nothing is done. Even when involved in accidents nothing is done judicially
and at 13/14 they sure as hell would be on the jetskis given the money or the chance
The danish boy will be 16 this week had he been over 16 at the time of the accident he would have faced criminal charges
Blame the A$%#hole renting them without helmets Blame the local Govt for NOT regulating it by all means but blaming the parents and the boy just because he survived is disengenuous to say the least
Just because you choose not to drive does not mean that others shouldnt and all of us start as non drivers
If your logic is to be followed if your 50 yr old m/c taxi driver ploughs into a 14 year old side on having jumped the lights then its the kid at fault
The other kid was 18/19 as far as i can gather with his girlfriend on the back do you think he had gathered such a vastly greater ammount of self control more than the survivor in a paltry 2/3 years
My blame is for the renter for no crash hats and the local authorities for no control
my sympathy
i reserve for the parents BOTH sets and i am sure the young danish boy distraught and inconsolable has been punished enough
When initially told of this accident i said but they are banned exactely as my mate said when i told him.
As for the accident itself it could have been the dead boy being silly noone knows for sure what happened i certainly dont neither do you Being stupid is not the sole prerogative of youth
Your views on the age of riding jetskis does not gel with thailand i probably agree with you on those issues but and its a big but 13/14 year old kids here ride to and from school every day under the police noses and nothing is done. Even when involved in accidents nothing is done judicially
and at 13/14 they sure as hell would be on the jetskis given the money or the chance
The danish boy will be 16 this week had he been over 16 at the time of the accident he would have faced criminal charges
Blame the A$%#hole renting them without helmets Blame the local Govt for NOT regulating it by all means but blaming the parents and the boy just because he survived is disengenuous to say the least
Just because you choose not to drive does not mean that others shouldnt and all of us start as non drivers
If your logic is to be followed if your 50 yr old m/c taxi driver ploughs into a 14 year old side on having jumped the lights then its the kid at fault
The other kid was 18/19 as far as i can gather with his girlfriend on the back do you think he had gathered such a vastly greater ammount of self control more than the survivor in a paltry 2/3 years
My blame is for the renter for no crash hats and the local authorities for no control
my sympathy
i reserve for the parents BOTH sets and i am sure the young danish boy distraught and inconsolable has been punished enough
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