Violence and mai pen pai

[Kraka's Dad]

I've spoken to my wife about this to get her opinion. She too is disgusted, but not surprised, that this happened.
I'm also surprised at some poster's reactions to my suggestion that to avoid this kind of thing you can try avoiding these types of areas.
I never suggested that it was acceptable behaviour.

And to you Mr SARGEANT (or should that be Lord Mayor/Sheriff), as for your suggestion that I am not welcome here, would that not be up to the local Thai people like my wife's family? Unless you are a Thai, or by some small chance have residency, it is not your place or any other visitor here to decide who is welcome and who is not!

Well I think the reason people are against you could be your attitude in general. Your abusive PM to me an example !!

[lomuamart]

Thinking about the "area" side of things again, Alleykat, in some ways I'd agree with you, but in HH, if you want a night out as we did, it's difficult to stay away from the block we're all talking about.
In any case, there's a "5 star hotel" there, pretty respectable guesthouses and hotels down the main soi and surrounds, plenty of decent restaurants etc etc. There do also happen to be some beer bars as well.
I know a lot of them and their owners. I ran a beer bar for 2.5 years on the main soi, when it arguably was more "downmarket" than it is now.
I never had any trouble of this nature in my place, either towards the staff or my ex g/f.
I'm not aware of the current places having any either. In that sort of situation, the other members of staff are usually quick to intervene before things get out of hand.
So, I do think it's difficult to "segregate" an area of HH like that.
You only have to look at all the "well-heeled" tourists walking up and down soi Bintabart at any time of day or night to realise that. And they're just as likely to a have a nightcap as the next person.
As I said before, there's always one idiot who gives the area a bad name.

[skandii]

lets face it the majority of peoples that see Farang with Thai girls assume they were or are bar girls. That is probably correct, most farang det the girls from bars as that where they go, they do not have the sense to have a day out on tesco's and meet a nice girl.

Not condoning what happened but in a red light district face the consquence, move on.

[Kraka's Dad]

skandii

It did NOT happen in a red light district !
Do you know the location?

[DawnHRD]

lets face it the majority of peoples that see Farang with Thai girls assume they were or are bar girls. That is probably correct, most farang det the girls from bars as that where they go, they do not have the sense to have a day out on tesco's and meet a nice girl.

Not condoning what happened but in a red light district face the consquence, move on.

First of all, if that's what most farang assume, then most farang are idiots! I actually don't agree that that's what most farang think, but I'll bow to your superior knowledge.

Who said girls that work in Tesco are any nicer than bgs, or deserve any more respect? Surely all women (& men) deserve equal respect, never mind their jobs or background? Is your point that it's OK to grope a woman as long as it is assumed that she is a bg?

Lastly, IT WAS NOT A RED LIGHT DISTRICT!!! Apologies for shouting, but the Lomus, myself & Wanderlust were in a respectable, live music bar where there are no bgs (unless there to listen to music). We had to pass the Hilton club to get home. I also don't think the Hilton management would like to hear your view of their establishment. It was an inexcusable act by a drunken idiot. End of story!

[BaaBaa.]

Do not have the sense to have a day out in Tesco?

You do not know Lomu's wifes background nor should it matter what anyone may or may not have worked as in the past or even present.

Would the arsehole who grabbed Lomu's wife not do exactly the same thing to a Girl from Tesco or would he first ask her of her career and background?

[BaaBaa.]

DAWN. You beat me too it again.

I also forgot to mention your point on the BG's, some of which are the nicest people you could meet.

[Jim]

I've been reading this thread with interest for a couple of days and had not planned to enter into the argument, which had become a bit hot headed. But I now think there are some important things to add here.

First, it makes no difference where the incident took place. It was out of order. Anyone who has ever been to Amsterdam will know what a proper red light district looks like and that anyone trying to grope/assault a girl there will have a thoroughly nasty experience. I actually find the idea that it may be excusable behaviour in any place or circumstances deeply offensive.

Second, pissed idiot farangs are a regrettable but unavoidable part of Thailand. Or at least in towns like Hua Hin. Fortunately incidents like this seem to be rare, but they will undoubtedly become more common the more the town grows.

Third, its not personal, or Thai. In September I had a pissed falang threaten to have a friend come and shoot me and friends, for no good reason other than we were bored of his unwelcome company outside Coconuts. Idiots happen.

Fourth, what should have been done? If Mrs Lomu didnt want him brown-shirted, then that's the end of it. The chances are he'll do it again and either get a good hiding or end up on the wrong side of the boys in brown.

Fifth, will it happen again? Yes, very unlikely to you now you've the dubious benefit of being older and wiser.

Jim

[Farang]

lets face it the majority of peoples that see Farang with Thai girls assume they were or are bar girls. That is probably correct, most farang det the girls from bars as that where they go, they do not have the sense to have a day out on tesco's and meet a nice girl.

Not condoning what happened but in a red light district face the consquence, move on.

Most of the "nice girls" in Tesco as well as in Shopping Mall ply their niceness in Hilton Disco, come night.
One quite supportively understands the ladies. On shop assistant's salary of - say 5 K baht a month - it is not easy
to support a couple of kids and an occasional boyfriend who likes his liquids.

I know a couple of guys who for years have specialized in "nice girls" in HH. They have two complaints:
the nice girls end up being much more expensive than bg's. Secondly, they vanish from the setup by
marrying some novice coming along with his mountain of "sense" and not an iota of actual knowledge.
So they have to star the chase all over again.
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[khaosai]

Hi Lomu,

sorry to hear you had a problem whilst out enjoying yourselves.

This sort of behaviour is totally unnacceptable in any environment, and involving any woman.

You did the right thing by not getting involved physically, however others might not react as you did. Let the police deal with it. The only thing that maybe should have been done differently would have been to lock him up. He is very fortunate that your wife was kind enough to say no to that.

All women deserve respect, regardless of how certain parts of society might view them. This incident just highlights the complete lack of understanding some people have of another country and their people.

Rgds.

[sargeant]

Just a small point now that i have calmed down a tad
My issue is that saying dont go there is conversely (wrongly) read as meaning in this area this behaviour is ok (it is not)

In my 9 years i have only seen this grotesque behaviour inside the bars
I dont like it but know that the bgs are more than capable of handling it
it is inside the bar and thus i stay out of it

But this is the first time i have ever even heard of it outside a bar and in the street

If we in any weasely way even vaguely codone it, we as lomu said might as well crawl into our burrows and chain our women to the wall

I for one am not prepared to do that and give satisfaction to some drunken tosser i would prefer to see his holiday end up with deported on his passport and never see his return

[Mack111]

Third, its not personal, or Thai. In September I had a pissed falang threaten to have a friend come and shoot me and friends, for no good reason other than we were bored of his unwelcome company outside Coconuts. Idiots happen.

Jim, I think I met the same guy as you....I was sitting outside a bar near the temple with a mate, when this drunken falang guy and his mate started BSing me about being in the Mafia / being a multi millionaire and so on, after I had enough I told him to piss off in a nice way then he started talking cock about having me shot. It all died down after that and he pissed off. ( I must admit there was no real sign of any violence about to happen)

Anyways a couple of days after that I was down at the grog shop pretty near the train lines and I seem the same bloke walking about on his own so decided to stop and pull him up, he certainly wasn’t so brave anymore with out a belly full of beer and his mate with him to a point I though he was going to piss himself and I never even done anything apart from raise my voice a little bit, these guys are tosser’s and in short not even worth the effort

[JW]

What nationality where they Mack?

Dread to think i know the answer.

[Mack111]

JW

the guy was English

I think I know who you might have thought it was as I met him in your bar a few times last time I was there, his country being further North but yes he can BS as well

[DawnHRD]

If we in any weasely way even vaguely codone it, we as lomu said might as well crawl into our burrows and chain our women to the wall

Sarge,

What do we women without big, strong men in our lives to protect us do?? Chain ourselves to the wall??