What is it with this stuff, did people ask for this new innovation?! A motor vehicle is meant to have a key, it's the natural order of things! Perhaps this should be in the "know you're getting old" thread, but come on, why change what's not broken.
The current list is long of the new auto technology buyers DO NOT want and do not want to pay for, and I can see this keyless business making the list in the not too distant future. Pete
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I've recently bought the new Pajero Sport which comes with keyless ignition - first car I've had with this new technology. It's a bit of a gimmick I agree, but it's also handy being able to lock and unlock the car by pressing a button on the door handle with the remote in your pocket. I could easily live without this technology as I have over the past 45 years of driving, but it certainly doesn't give me a problem - well not yet, the proof of the pudding will be if the start button still works first time in 5 years time. One positive benefit I have noticed, is that my old Pajeto had the standard key entry so getting in and out if the car I had a bunch of keys in my hand and careful as you might be, after a few years there were a few minor scratches caused by the keys - with the remote in my pocket, this shouldn't happen now.
Dannie Boy wrote:I've recently bought the new Pajero Sport which comes with keyless ignition - first car I've had with this new technology. It's a bit of a gimmick I agree, but it's also handy being able to lock and unlock the car by pressing a button on the door handle with the remote in your pocket. I could easily live without this technology as I have over the past 45 years of driving, but it certainly doesn't give me a problem - well not yet, the proof of the pudding will be if the start button still works first time in 5 years time. One positive benefit I have noticed, is that my old Pajeto had the standard key entry so getting in and out if the car I had a bunch of keys in my hand and careful as you might be, after a few years there were a few minor scratches caused by the keys - with the remote in my pocket, this shouldn't happen now.
I'm glad you posted that because I bought my partner a Honda HRV last month and I've been wondering what that small button on the door handle did!
Personally, I think it's about time that cars had a bit more technology in them, when I was a kid in the late sixties I thought we'd all be hovering around like the Jetsons by 2016.
What happens if you have to push start a manual transmission car/truck that has a starter button? Do you proceed before clutch pop with the button pushed in? There seems to be no way to open circuits to the engine like there was with a key turned to "ON", but the starter disengaged. Pete
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Another problem is walking away from the car leaving the remote in the car. You put the key/remote in the center console as you drive along, and when you stop you just press the stop button and then get out. Then look for the remote to lock it and you have left it in the car....
prcscct wrote:What happens if you have to push start a manual transmission car/truck that has a starter button? Do you proceed before clutch pop with the button pushed in? There seems to be no way to open circuits to the engine like there was with a key turned to "ON", but the starter disengaged. Pete
I don't know but since I started driving vehicles from Japanese manufacturers, I've never had to push start one. Certainly you wouldn't want this kind of stuff if cars were still made how they were in the West thirty years ago.
^ I have with a Toyota pick-up. Thai batteries seem to go bad with no warning, like overnight when no warning signals the day before.
It's not an earth shattering issue as not many buy standard transmission vehicles any longer, but there are sports cars and pick-up's where a standard is normal and wanted.
Just curious what the work around was if a starter button. Perhaps simply have to get a jump start or wait for a home charger to do the work, or call for a new battery to be delivered and installed. Pete
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prcscct wrote:^ I have with a Toyota pick-up. Thai batteries seem to go bad with no warning, like overnight when no warning signals the day before.
It's not an earth shattering issue as not many buy standard transmission vehicles any longer, but there are sports cars and pick-up's where a standard is normal and wanted.
Just curious what the work around was if a starter button. Perhaps simply have to get a jump start or wait for a home charger to do the work, or call for a new battery to be delivered and installed. Pete
I've just had a read of the manual and on the HRV, you can turn on the ignition by pushing the start button twice without depressing the brake pedal but it's an automatic so you couldn't push start it anyway. I suppose manual cars have something similar.
fft100 wrote:Another problem is walking away from the car leaving the remote in the car. You put the key/remote in the center console as you drive along, and when you stop you just press the stop button and then get out. Then look for the remote to lock it and you have left it in the car....
I normally leave the remote in my pocket and it still allows you to lock/unlock and start the car without a problem. If on a rare occasion I leave the remote in the car, you get a warning buzzer telling you that you've left the remote in the car if you try to lock it using the door button.
You can definitely listen to the music system without the engine running and if you press the start button without putting your foot on the brake, it just activates the ignition circuit so things like windows work.
It's called 'comfort access', both my cars have it and I don't miss the physical action of turning a key. I think it's a bit like electric windows - try buying a new car with manual ones! The manufacturers are trying to add new tech to their vehicles and this month's CES in Las Vegas along with the Detroit Auto show will doubtless herald plenty more.
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A motor vehicle is meant to have a key, it's the natural order of things! Perhaps this should be in the "know you're getting old" thread, but come on, why change what's not broken.
Pete 
That's a winner. They've thought about it and did a work-around. Probably for diagnostic things other than push starting as well. Pete 
