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Firstly, a few facts to get you thinking, taken from an essay by Jessica Williams that appears in her book, ’50 facts that should change the world’:

- Americans discard 2.5 million plastic bottles every hour.
- Every hour British households throw away enough rubbish to fill the Royal Albert Hall.
- China produces and discards 45 billion pairs of disposable chopsticks a year and cuts down 25 million trees to do it.
- In the Bangladeshi Capital Dhaka, more than 10 million plastic bags are dumped everyday.
- A landfill closes in the US everyday, there’s only 18 years of landfill capacity left.

When I first moved to Thailand I was surprised at the apparent lack of recycling. No obvious glass/paper/plastic banks, no media campaigns to encourage recycling. Apparently the government did introduce schemes involving color-coded street bins but this failed due to the lack of enforcement and the changing of bin colors. :roll:

However, there are two types of people who are making a small difference, they do it primarily for financial reasons and are looked down on by Thai society. Firstly, there is khon kep kaya, they’re the ladies and gentlemen you see searching through the rubbish for anything they can sell to be recycled. Secondly, saleng, (a Chinese word that translates something like ‘rag and bone man’) they buy people’s unwanted items, usually ride pedal powered tricycles and can make up to 1000 Baht a day; 4-5 baht profit per kilo on recyclable stuff, plus extra cash from selling on stuff they repair.

Thailand produces 14.2 million tonnes of industrial and consumer waste a year according to World Bank figures in 2003 and reprocesses 11% of a possible 4.5 million tonnes. Without the saleng, the state recycles just 3%, compared to rates of 30-50% in Korea, Singapore and Japan. :( (Source: ‘Very Thai, Everyday Popular Culture’ by Philip Cornwell-Smith).

What got me thinking about this? Well, it was the huge pile of drinking straws sitting on top of my fridge that I’ll never use - none of which I ever asked for, but never declined either. It is elaborate over-packaging that is mostly to blame for, which retail writer Anon Nakornthab sums up as ‘buys ten buns, get eleven bags’. Thailand’s 7 –Eleven boss reckons it’ll take years for Thais to accept the question ‘would you like a bag with that?’ - poor excuse if you ask me.

So what can we do? I now make a point of telling convenience store staff I don’t want a straw and I’m going to start taking my own bag to put my stuff in. I’m also trying to separate my glass/plastic/paper etc. so the khon kep kaya don’t have to trawl through my half-eaten noodles and used cat litter to get at anything worth selling.

What’s your take on the recycling issue here in Thailand/Hua Hin? Do you have any bright ideas about how we can reduce the excessive amount of waste that it being produced? I’m sure that if we all did just a little, we could make a dent in those worrying figures above. :)
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villa_boy1 wrote: So what can we do? I now make a point of telling convenience store staff I don’t want a straw and I’m going to start taking my own bag to put my stuff in. I’m also trying to separate my glass/plastic/paper etc. so the khon kep kaya don’t have to trawl through my half-eaten noodles and used cat litter to get at anything worth selling.

What’s your take on the recycling issue here in Thailand/Hua Hin? Do you have any bright ideas about how we can reduce the excessive amount of waste that it being produced? I’m sure that if we all did just a little, we could make a dent in those worrying figures above. :)
Right on VB! Warms my soul to see posts like this.

On a personal level over here, we sort everything that is recyclable, newspapers, plastics, soup cans..everything. We then take it to the old woman who runs a small shop down the street and she indeed re-sells it to a collector who comes around once a week.

I've also noticed that our local rubbish collection company sorts things as well as they collect and dump the bins into the truck. The roof of the truck is always loaded with nets holding things I assume they re-sell rather than dump into the local landfill.

As far as unwanted straws/bags etc., suggest we simply leave them on the jet-sipet counter when checking out. The clerks should get the hint, eventually.

My worst headache right now is disposable diapers. We use a ton with my daughter and the way they are made, I am sure they last 10 years + in the landfill. We simply can't go back to cloth diapers and safety pins, impractical and dangerous. I could let her walk around with nothing on, which appears common with some Thai people and their toddlers, and let her dump when and where? :shock: Again, not sanitary or practical. I could also burn them I guess but the plastic burning may do as much harm as landfill and, my neighbors would probably shoot me.

I think the key to all this is awareness and to get people thinking about it. In turn, they will make an attempt. Regardless how small, it will be a help. Pete :cheers:
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Must admit my contribution is small. I always say no to a straw and my empty beer bottles get left for a local motorcycyle taxi rider who saw me dumping them in a wheelie bin on the main road once and asked for them from then on.
Should try to do more.
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Do the Thai Govt not promote recycling? I guess not from your posts.

I try and re-use carrier bags, and recycle newspapers. I do think that the Companies that manufacture goods should also cut down on packaging - even the magazines inside of newspapers are covered in a plastic sleeve.
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As an aside, thee was an article in the Brit press today about overpackaging by food/drink manufacturers and supermarkets. Companies can be fined up to 5,000 pounds (big deal - Cadburys were fined 3,000 last year for something). The article was suggesting that people took produce out of packaging and dumped it on the supermarkets.
Think that's what you're getting at, Pete.
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My worst headache right now is disposable diapers. We use a ton with my daughter and the way they are made, I am sure they last 10 years + in the landfill. We simply can't go back to cloth diapers and safety pins, impractical and dangerous. I could let her walk around with nothing on, which appears common with some Thai people and their toddlers, and let her dump when and where? :shock: Again, not sanitary or practical. I could also burn them I guess but the plastic burning may do as much harm as landfill and, my neighbors would probably shoot me.
Add another few decades to that estimate, Pete. Diapers, particularly those nice "keep dry" ones filled with the gel/beads can last in a land fill for a lifetime, literally!

I used to recycle in UK, where everything had its own bin, but here, it's just a case of putting recyclable things in a separate bag for the (many) ladies & gents who sort through our bins every day. HHDRC actually buy the used newspapers from these people though, as we use them for puppy pens & cage linings. So, I suppose I'm doing my bit there (although once they've been "used" the 2nd time, by the dogs, they're fit for nothing! :shock: )

I think shop cashiers should be educated in wastage a little more though. Although I do decline straws etc, if I'm making a big shop & distracted I don't always notice & have arrived home with half a dozen yoghurts & a dozen plastic spoons before! Sure, if I'm just buying one, I can see the point, but 6 in a large overall purchase? Do they think I don't have spoons at home? :? :wink:
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DawnHHDRC wrote: Although I do decline straws etc, if I'm making a big shop & distracted I don't always notice & have arrived home with half a dozen yoghurts & a dozen plastic spoons before! Sure, if I'm just buying one, I can see the point, but 6 in a large overall purchase? Do they think I don't have spoons at home? :? :wink:
This subject can get as deep as we want it to at this point. We're now talking Thai mentality/philosophy/psychology.

- People who draw their water from a well have better uses for it than washing dishes. Disposable things are a convenience, and a money saver. Satang built into the price of the item for the accessories is unseen, therefore not worried about.

- The plastic spoon is a status symbol and shows the neighbors they have money to buy a luxury yogurt at times.

- They are incapable of differentiating between what a farang wants/needs, and a Thai.

- The well being of the environment is a subject known to perhaps 10% of the population.

- The well being and social status of the family and pocketbook is a subject known to 100% of the population.

- The twain of the above two never meet.

I'm not going to say the "E" word again for fear of bricks thrown at me. However, readers of the Bangkok Post of late may see that many farangs and overseas Thai's are indeed preaching education very heavily now. Pete :cheers:
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Seriously, thanks for that Pete. It had never occurred to me that something as, well, throwaway, as a plastic spoon could be a status symbol to some. Just shows, I need to be educated more in the ways of the people in LOS. Doesn't make anyone right or anyone wrong, but it just shows, I don't know nearly as much as I think I do... :shock: :oops:
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No, don't be so humble. You know plenty, probably more than most of us as you work in the trenches day in and day out. It's just a matter of sorting all of it, putting it into perspective and reflecting upon what it all means from time to time. Don't listen to the smoke I blow too much.

The bottom line to this entire thread is consumerism as it relates to capitalism. You can't maintain the latter without the former growing by leaps and bounds. The environment is going to suffer until there is either no viable environment any longer or, a different worldwide economic model is adopted to fit what the planet can and cannot sustain.

I don't think we as humans will do much at all, until we are forced into submission through a lot of pain and death, by the multi-millions. Pete :cry:
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This thread is a sore one with me.

Frankly - it's sad to say - most Thais don't give a shit about recycling or indeed littering.

You only have to go around the countryside (ALL of THailand) to see it continuously spoilt by piles of rubbish, including plastics, building rubble, and all kinds of debris.

It IS a matter of education and it does seem that at least the schoolkids in town get to clean up the beach occasionally as a lesson in environment protection.

Mrs. T has been in England with me so she understands why I moan and grown about the littering and basic disregard for the environment.

So when I had a go at our own Thai staff (Family) about keeping our place tidy - they upped and left. Good riddance says I, the place is now cleaner by the day as I carry on my crusade. Our new staff understand the rules and indeed get to keep the money they make on the bottles, plastics etc etc as encouragement.

It is a fact that there are recycling facilities in town but hardly any Thais use them unless of course it's worth their while.

Until stiffer penalties are imposed, as is now happening in parts of Bangkok then we are going to have to suffer the problem longer.
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Good post Terry.
I've been all over Thailand, and I'm sorry to say that you are 100% correct.
Even in Khao Yai National Park you are able to see plastic bags and littering.
Lack of education is the key-word.
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Terry wrote:
Frankly - it's sad to say - most Thais don't give a shit about recycling or indeed littering.
In my experience you are totally wrong about the recycling statement, although I agree with you 100% about the concept of littering.

I think that I can say, without exception, every one of my Thai relatives go out of their way to support recycling. That also goes with friends and neighbours we've known in Thailand. We've even had neighbours squabbling over recycling rights with our waste (both in the NE and Hua Hin).

Basic littering - that is well out of control.
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BB wrote:
I think that I can say, without exception, every one of my Thai relatives go out of their way to support recycling. That also goes with friends and neighbours we've known in Thailand. We've even had neighbours squabbling over recycling rights with our waste (both in the NE and Hua Hin).
I tend to agree with BB on this, I think it maybe due to the fact that many Thais are from areas where there has been little money in the past, but I have noticed that the Thais I know are reluctant to throw anything out that has value to someone. My partner collects such things as empty plastic bottles and the like, and gives them to anyone who comes around with a barrow collecting them. She never accepts the small payments, and just does it to help people.
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Recycling does happen in Thailand as BB & SteveG posted. However, it is not done through altruism but because there is a financial incentive to return the bottles. No bad thing in my opinion - I remember collecting bottles to get money back on them as a kid too.
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Spot on Jaime

That's precisely what I meant - I also said that this thread was a sore one with me, so I got hot under the collar.

How many times have you followed a pickup full of Thais along the highway as they dump their fruit stones and trash over the side?

Biodegradables - no problem, although it's still messy and littering.

Empty M150 bottles thrown out of the drivers cab or over the backboard are no joke. Especially when they bounce in the road and then go through your windscreen (This happened to me several years ago) Alternatively they smash and lacerate your tyres.

Plastic bags

Maybe a lesson can be learned from elswhere.

In some countries, go into a supermarket or 7 eleven and you PAY for your plastic bag. A great incentive to reuse and recycle.
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