300 baht wage to be imposed no matter what...apparently

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Takiap wrote:

I also won't be surprised if the government simply introduces new laws which help employers get around the minimum wage issue. A similar situation exists abroad, in places such as the UK, at least within the oil and gas industry. For example, offshore workers are expected to work 12 hours per day, seven days a week, with no overtime payment at all. One could argue that this is okay because offshore workers get plenty of time off between their trips. If they work 3 weeks on, they get 3 weeks off, but then the pay they get for their 3 weeks on should actually cover them for six weeks, in which case their are plenty of people working in the North Sea for below the minimum UK wage. They also don't get any perks such as pension and/or medical aid, because drilling companies use agencies so that they can get around such obligations. I know this has nothing to do with Thailand and the new minimum wage, but I'm just pointing out that employers will more than likely be able to avoid this wage change, and possibly even with help from the government.


If companies like Honda and Toyota threaten to pull out, I'm sure the government will soon change their tune. I hope not, but this is actually quite a complex issue after all.


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:agree: Its similar in the manufacturing industry in the UK, work 7 days a week, 8/10 hour shifts, in busy periods, with no extra overtime payments.
The employers will find a way round the increase in wages, so their wage bill doesnt alter too much.
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Shake Central FOOD KIOSK MV" pay 350 baht per day for the trial period for the first 3 months which then increases to 450 baht per day. Plus daily target related earnings and tips and after the three month Trial period we also pay insurance.

However I’m afraid what we have experienced over the first 5 months of build and trading is just unbelievable. Wont bore you all to tears as I’m sure every employer experiences it in Hua Hin.

If you know anyone who wants work , can speak some English and wants to earn possibly up to 14,000 baht per month .Please get in touch

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If you know anyone who wants work , can speak some English
I've known about 5 Thais in eight years who meet those qualifications, so good luck.
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av8er wrote:O.K. But how much of a raise is that? I would imagine that, as a percentage, it's a very small amount. 300b a day equates to 6,600b/month (22 working days), and even low paid people are pulling in more than that.
Yes, I think that is part of the employer complaint. There is a lot of overtime, some places it's mandatory per my understanding. The overtime rate is probably 1.5 and 2.0 times the normal wage depending upon how much is worked and when. Pete :cheers:
I agree. Typically, factory labourers would be working a 12 hour shift comprising a standard 8 hours plus 4 hours over-time (at 1.5x). According to the Notification of Employment Committee No. 6, the new minimum wage rates in Prachuab Khiri Khan and Petchaburi provinces (i.e. Hua Hin) will be (from 1/4/2012) 240 baht and 250 baht respectively, and as HHF mentioned, for some businesses there will be minimal impact as they already pay above the existing statutory minimums.
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prcscct wrote:
av8er wrote:O.K. But how much of a raise is that? I would imagine that, as a percentage, it's a very small amount. 300b a day equates to 6,600b/month (22 working days), and even low paid people are pulling in more than that.
Yes, I think that is part of the employer complaint. There is a lot of overtime, some places it's mandatory per my understanding. The overtime rate is probably 1.5 and 2.0 times the normal wage depending upon how much is worked and when. Pete :cheers:
I agree. Typically, factory labourers would be working a 12 hour shift comprising a standard 8 hours plus 4 hours over-time (at 1.5x). According to the Notification of Employment Committee No. 6, the new minimum wage rates in Prachuab Khiri Khan and Petchaburi provinces (i.e. Hua Hin) will be (from 1/4/2012) 240 baht and 250 baht respectively, and as HHF mentioned, for some businesses there will be minimal impact as they already pay above the existing statutory minimums.


Oh, so the new minimum wage isn't 300 baht then? Who started the 300 baht rumor? :shock:
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If you know anyone that wants work,can speak some English

HHFarang said...
I've known about 5 Thais in eight years who meet those qualifications, so good luck.
Evidently you don't get out much then.... and haven't done for eight years. Shame that.

Maybe you mingle with the wrong crowd I really don't know. :?

No wonder you hate the place. :shock:
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caducus wrote:an employer with a large workforce should be able to save on the wage bill by cutting down on dividends, director's fees and perks paid to senior staff.
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Agree 100%! And if only that little cut in profit margins was taken in the UK for the duration of the recession, rather than passing on all increases in costs to the consumer, thus extending and slowing the recovery process, we might be in a better place. It happened in the last recession, so why not now?
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GLCQuantum wrote:If you know anyone that wants work,can speak some English

HHFarang said...
I've known about 5 Thais in eight years who meet those qualifications, so good luck.
Evidently you don't get out much then.... and haven't done for eight years. Shame that.

Maybe you mingle with the wrong crowd I really don't know. :?

No wonder you hate the place. :shock:
I've known many who speak English and a few who want to work but the combination of the two in one person is rare... and when I say "want to work", I mean want to do a good responsible job, take pride in their work, show up and leave when they are supposed to and are qualified to do the job they are applying for. Now that I think about it, 5 may be stretching it a bit... :P

We have hired many who said they wanted to work, but what they really wanted was to get paid, not to really work.

And yes, you are correct, that is one of the major sources of my dissatisfaction with this country.
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Have to agree with you there hhf, getting decent, reliable staff that know what they're doing and want to work is an uphill struggle no matter what the wage is. But that's probably food for another thread.
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I have honestly met dozens of hardworking Thai's with a good command of English over my time. Maybe it's just the teaching profession where you can find these people I'm not sure. It surprises me how difficult it seems to find these reliable employees in other areas of work. :cheers:
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Firms ignore new graduates to save money

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B15,000 starting salary blamed for joblessness
Many entrepreneurs have refused to employ bachelor's degree graduates to avoid paying a starting salary of 15,000 baht, a seminar on youth employment was told yesterday

Worachon Dulwit, secretary-general of the International Student Centre of Thailand, said many employers were reluctant to take on new graduates with a bachelor's degree because they did not want to pay the 15,000 baht starting salary promised by the Pheu Thai-led government during its election campaign last year.

Instead, employers have opted to hire diploma holders to cut costs, Mr Worachon said.

The seminar was jointly organised by the International Labour Organisation (ILO) and Chulalongkorn University's faculty of economics.

Mr Worachon said many university graduates also study in fields such as social sciences that do not serve the needs of the labour market.

These graduates have a hard time finding jobs or end up being underemployed. Some resort to doing part-time jobs such as distributing leaflets, which is a waste of talent and a loss to the economy, he said.

Secretary-general of the Employers Confederation of Thailand Siriwan Romchatthong said graduates in certain fields such as engineering, accountancy or medical sciences were certain to be employed in accordance with their fields of studies.

For these professional graduates, employers are willing to pay the 15,000 baht starting salary.

But when it comes to graduates from other fields, employers prefer to hire those with educational qualifications lower than a bachelor's degree, Ms Siriwan said.

She said many employers are now trying to circumvent the government's 300 baht daily minimum wage, which takes effect on Sunday, by outsourcing jobs or hiring workers in the non-formal sector.

Matthieu Cognac, a youth employment specialist with the ILO's Asia and Pacific office, called on Asia-Pacific countries to promote youth employment as unemployment rates in the region were high.

It is necessary for each country to work out strategies to provide young people with various practical skills to enter the job market and ensure they receive decent wages and enjoy physical well-being, Mr Cognac said.

John Ritchotte, labour relations specialist with the ILO's Southeast Asia office, lambasted the government's 300 baht minimum wage policy, saying it was misguided and it would not do anything to raise the living standards of the public and workers.

The policy was only aimed at seeking political gain, he said. The government should let labour organisations and employers hold direct talks on wage adjustments to find a better solution, Mr Ritchotte said.

Meanwhile, Labour Minister Padermchai Sasomsap said yesterday the ministry would set up a complaints centre on its ground floor to receive information on any problems arising from the minimum wage hike so that the ministry would be able to find ways to sort them out.

Arthit Issamo, chief of the Labour Protection and Welfare Department, said labour inspectors would be sent out to various areas next month to enforce compliance with the new wage hike policy.

Employers who fail to comply will be issued with a warning and they will have to rectify the situation within 30 days.

After that, if they still do not comply, they will face a fine of up to 100,000 baht and/or a jail term of up to six months, Mr Arthit said.
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I agree. Typically, factory labourers would be working a 12 hour shift comprising a standard 8 hours plus 4 hours over-time (at 1.5x). According to the Notification of Employment Committee No. 6, the new minimum wage rates in Prachuab Khiri Khan and Petchaburi provinces (i.e. Hua Hin) will be (from 1/4/2012) 240 baht and 250 baht respectively, and as HHF mentioned, for some businesses there will be minimal impact as they already pay above the existing statutory minimums.[/quote]

Oh, so the new minimum wage isn't 300 baht then? Who started the 300 baht rumor? :shock:[/quote]

The 300 baht rate applies only to Bangkok, Phuket, Nakorn Pathom, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Samut Prakarn and Samut Sakorn provinces, as per the government announcement. In Rayong and Chonburi, where much of the large BOI factories are located, the rates are 264 and 273 baht respectively. The 300 baht rate is certainly not a rumour, but because it's the new rate for Bangkok and neighbouring provinces (+Phuket), it's been attracting most of the discussion / publicity.
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squire wrote:
I agree. Typically, factory labourers would be working a 12 hour shift comprising a standard 8 hours plus 4 hours over-time (at 1.5x). According to the Notification of Employment Committee No. 6, the new minimum wage rates in Prachuab Khiri Khan and Petchaburi provinces (i.e. Hua Hin) will be (from 1/4/2012) 240 baht and 250 baht respectively, and as HHF mentioned, for some businesses there will be minimal impact as they already pay above the existing statutory minimums.
Oh, so the new minimum wage isn't 300 baht then? Who started the 300 baht rumor? :shock:
The 300 baht rate applies only to Bangkok, Phuket, Nakorn Pathom, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Samut Prakarn and Samut Sakorn provinces, as per the government announcement. In Rayong and Chonburi, where much of the large BOI factories are located, the rates are 264 and 273 baht respectively. The 300 baht rate is certainly not a rumour, but because it's the new rate for Bangkok and neighbouring provinces (+Phuket), it's been attracting most of the discussion / publicity.
Thanks! The articles I read a few months ago made it sound as though the 300 baht minimum wage would be applied across the country.
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The new Min wage for Hua Hin is 240 Baht.
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David Nears wrote:The new Min wage for Hua Hin is 240 Baht.
When you consider that you can get 200 bt a day for unskilled farm labour up in Issan with a meal thrown in as well, 240 bt in Hua Hin isn't very much at all.
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