I cannot see the pleasure in breeding or owning this type of dog. They are renown to be dangerous. So, just on that basis they are not to be trusted. I daresay that the owners of pit bulls that have bitten children in the past, have said before the attack happened, that their PB was as soft as butter!
I think they should be faded out and not bred.
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Had a few of those and along with a wire haired fox terrier they can be vicious but it's down to rearing and ownership care, but no guarantee it will not turn.HHTel wrote: if a Yorkshire Terrier had the size and weight, then that would be one of the most dangerous dogs around.
I've had all manner of dogs for all my life prior to living in Thailand but never a pit-bull. I've had German shepherds and RSA ridge-backs who can turn. In fact when living in a village in KK I had a lovable dog who was eventually 'disposed of' as it turned and the village insisted on it hitting the noodle pot.
I think it is difficult to judge and as an owner you have to ensure you do not expose others to risks
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It’s none of my business what people say and think of me. I am what I am and do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. It makes life so much easier.
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Breed: American Pit Bull Terrier/ American Staffordshire Terrier
Average Life Span: 12-14 years
Typical Health Problems: Generally healthy, may be subject to Parvo, hip displaysia, hereditary cataracts and allergies.
Personality: Pit bulls tend to be very dependent on their humans and crave love and attention.
On average, pit bulls tend to be very confident and outgoing dogs. However, their natural confidence can be eroded by severe abuse or long confinement with little human contact.
What are these dogs surrendered for typically? Owner turn-ins of pit bulls are usually due to dog aggression (which is often mistaken for human aggression by inexperienced owners).
Other reasons include:
Destructive chewing, which is usually out of frustration and lack of exercise Too much energy/lack of time for dog and breed specific legislation against pit bulls in the area/moving to an area with breed specific legislation. Pit bulls also often are brought in as strays or confiscated from abusive owners, dog fighters, or criminals.
How do these dogs handle rescue or shelter life? Being an extremely people-oriented breed as well as one that tends to be dog aggressive, the typical pit bull is not happy in a kennel setting. This breed does, however, do well in a home fostering situation, as they tend to bond quickly with new people. How well they tolerate a rescue or shelter depends heavily on the amount of human attention, contact, and exercise they receive, as well as on the individual dog's temperament and past experiences.
What would be the ideal owner for this breed? The ideal owner of a pit bull is an extremely responsible person committed to the care, training and exercise of their dog. Such an owner should be knowledgeable about the breed (or at least willing to learn), very aware of the dog aggressive but people loving nature of the breed, and dedicated to protecting not only their dog, but also the breed as a whole from the continuing media hysteria generated by bad press and bad owners. The ideal owner of a pit bull would never allow their dog to roam the neighborhood, be off leash in a public place or around strange dogs, and would not leave their adult pit bull alone and unsupervised with another dog of any breed, since fights can start between unsupervised dogs, especially dogs of the same sex, and such fights can have serious consequences. This owner would spay/neuter, make sure their dog remains socialized with all types of people, contain their dog securely when not supervised by an adult, obedience train their dog, and insure that their dog is well exercised every day. This owner would NOT be looking for a guard dog, as pit bulls are typically very people friendly and not naturally inclined toward "man work." This owner would either have no other dogs or an altered dog of opposite sex, since many pit bulls are same sex aggressive and can be placed with a non-dominant dog of opposite sex.
Is this breed good with children in general? This breed tends to love all people, especially children. The only caution I would add is that, because they are very exuberant and energetic dogs, they can sometimes overwhelm very young children and accidentally bump them or knock them over, particularly when they are pups (under 2 years old).
Is this breed good with other dogs in general? The short answer is no. Developed for the purpose of fighting other dogs, most pit bulls are dog aggressive, at least to some degree. Some pit bulls will simply not tolerate any other dogs, regardless of sex. A few pit bulls will remain dog friendly their entire lives, but they are a minority.The majority of pit bulls are at least same sex aggressive and as adults will not do well with other dogs of the same sex or those that are "pushy" with them, although as pups they may get along fine (this can be very misleading to a novice pit bull owner). Pit bulls will commonly start developing signs of dog aggression between the ages of 8 months and 2 years, although it can develop at any age and can come on either gradually or quite suddenly. It is important to note that many pit bulls do not display the "typical" signs of dog aggression before a fight. They may not growl, bark, or posture at all, but simply alert and raise up on their toes. Owners of dog aggressive pit bulls learn to "read" their dogs and recognize the subtle signs indicating impending dog aggression. Training will not eliminate dog aggression in the pit bull but, when combined with responsibility and vigilance, training can bring these natural tendencies under control in on-leash situations. Where housemates are concerned, if one is a pit bull, extra care should be taken to prevent tension over food, desirable treats (like bones), and favored toys. These items are often "triggers" for spats or fights between dogs sharing the same house and owners should be very aware of them. This is also the reason that an adult pit bull should NOT be left alone with housemates or other dogs. Due to their fighting heritage, many pit bulls do not recognize signs of submission given by a dog they are fighting and, if they are unsupervised, the results can be disastrous. It should be noted that many breeds have dog aggressive tendencies, and leaving any such breed unsupervised with another dog, especially a dog of the same sex, can lead to a tragedy.
How easy is housetraining with this breed? There is much variation to the time housetraining will take, depending on the method used. Pit bulls, as a group, are intelligent dogs, soft to their owners and relatively easy to train as they are eager to please their owners. With all phases of training, praise is a key element when it comes to the pit bull. Positive methods will work best for training this breed.
How easy is socialization with this breed? With humans, the pit bull is very easy to socialize but, since they tend to be very enthusiastic, they should be taught manners early on. A trained pit bull is often a "social butterfly," loving friends and strangers alike. As with most breeds, socialization with humans of all types should be part of the dog's training for life. Note: A pit bull that shows unprovoked human aggression, especially with children, is NOT typical of the breed and is showing very poor temperament. Such a dog should be thoroughly evaluated by a trainer or behaviorist experienced in the breed for a final determination of their temperament and recommendation on how to proceed.
Other relevant information: The pit bull is typically a people loving, intelligent and fun breed. Many excel at obedience training and dog sports such as agility, weight pull, frisbee, and flyball. Due to their affinity with people, this breed is a good candidate for rescue and adoption, but potential homes need to be carefully screened to insure that the new owners understand and accept the responsibility of owning a pit bull. Media hysteria and bad owners have greatly damaged this breed and every incident involving a pit bull makes it worse for the entire breed and their owners, often prompting breed specific legislation or breed bans.
Potential owners need to be informed of the pit bull's correct temperament, and need to be prepared to deal with the issue of dog aggression. Most pit bulls have a high prey drive and may chase small animals or livestock. This is NOT a breed for everyone! The only way to repair the pit bull's bad reputation is to keep them in the hands of responsible owners.
Average Life Span: 12-14 years
Typical Health Problems: Generally healthy, may be subject to Parvo, hip displaysia, hereditary cataracts and allergies.
Personality: Pit bulls tend to be very dependent on their humans and crave love and attention.
On average, pit bulls tend to be very confident and outgoing dogs. However, their natural confidence can be eroded by severe abuse or long confinement with little human contact.
What are these dogs surrendered for typically? Owner turn-ins of pit bulls are usually due to dog aggression (which is often mistaken for human aggression by inexperienced owners).
Other reasons include:
Destructive chewing, which is usually out of frustration and lack of exercise Too much energy/lack of time for dog and breed specific legislation against pit bulls in the area/moving to an area with breed specific legislation. Pit bulls also often are brought in as strays or confiscated from abusive owners, dog fighters, or criminals.
How do these dogs handle rescue or shelter life? Being an extremely people-oriented breed as well as one that tends to be dog aggressive, the typical pit bull is not happy in a kennel setting. This breed does, however, do well in a home fostering situation, as they tend to bond quickly with new people. How well they tolerate a rescue or shelter depends heavily on the amount of human attention, contact, and exercise they receive, as well as on the individual dog's temperament and past experiences.
What would be the ideal owner for this breed? The ideal owner of a pit bull is an extremely responsible person committed to the care, training and exercise of their dog. Such an owner should be knowledgeable about the breed (or at least willing to learn), very aware of the dog aggressive but people loving nature of the breed, and dedicated to protecting not only their dog, but also the breed as a whole from the continuing media hysteria generated by bad press and bad owners. The ideal owner of a pit bull would never allow their dog to roam the neighborhood, be off leash in a public place or around strange dogs, and would not leave their adult pit bull alone and unsupervised with another dog of any breed, since fights can start between unsupervised dogs, especially dogs of the same sex, and such fights can have serious consequences. This owner would spay/neuter, make sure their dog remains socialized with all types of people, contain their dog securely when not supervised by an adult, obedience train their dog, and insure that their dog is well exercised every day. This owner would NOT be looking for a guard dog, as pit bulls are typically very people friendly and not naturally inclined toward "man work." This owner would either have no other dogs or an altered dog of opposite sex, since many pit bulls are same sex aggressive and can be placed with a non-dominant dog of opposite sex.
Is this breed good with children in general? This breed tends to love all people, especially children. The only caution I would add is that, because they are very exuberant and energetic dogs, they can sometimes overwhelm very young children and accidentally bump them or knock them over, particularly when they are pups (under 2 years old).
Is this breed good with other dogs in general? The short answer is no. Developed for the purpose of fighting other dogs, most pit bulls are dog aggressive, at least to some degree. Some pit bulls will simply not tolerate any other dogs, regardless of sex. A few pit bulls will remain dog friendly their entire lives, but they are a minority.The majority of pit bulls are at least same sex aggressive and as adults will not do well with other dogs of the same sex or those that are "pushy" with them, although as pups they may get along fine (this can be very misleading to a novice pit bull owner). Pit bulls will commonly start developing signs of dog aggression between the ages of 8 months and 2 years, although it can develop at any age and can come on either gradually or quite suddenly. It is important to note that many pit bulls do not display the "typical" signs of dog aggression before a fight. They may not growl, bark, or posture at all, but simply alert and raise up on their toes. Owners of dog aggressive pit bulls learn to "read" their dogs and recognize the subtle signs indicating impending dog aggression. Training will not eliminate dog aggression in the pit bull but, when combined with responsibility and vigilance, training can bring these natural tendencies under control in on-leash situations. Where housemates are concerned, if one is a pit bull, extra care should be taken to prevent tension over food, desirable treats (like bones), and favored toys. These items are often "triggers" for spats or fights between dogs sharing the same house and owners should be very aware of them. This is also the reason that an adult pit bull should NOT be left alone with housemates or other dogs. Due to their fighting heritage, many pit bulls do not recognize signs of submission given by a dog they are fighting and, if they are unsupervised, the results can be disastrous. It should be noted that many breeds have dog aggressive tendencies, and leaving any such breed unsupervised with another dog, especially a dog of the same sex, can lead to a tragedy.
How easy is housetraining with this breed? There is much variation to the time housetraining will take, depending on the method used. Pit bulls, as a group, are intelligent dogs, soft to their owners and relatively easy to train as they are eager to please their owners. With all phases of training, praise is a key element when it comes to the pit bull. Positive methods will work best for training this breed.
How easy is socialization with this breed? With humans, the pit bull is very easy to socialize but, since they tend to be very enthusiastic, they should be taught manners early on. A trained pit bull is often a "social butterfly," loving friends and strangers alike. As with most breeds, socialization with humans of all types should be part of the dog's training for life. Note: A pit bull that shows unprovoked human aggression, especially with children, is NOT typical of the breed and is showing very poor temperament. Such a dog should be thoroughly evaluated by a trainer or behaviorist experienced in the breed for a final determination of their temperament and recommendation on how to proceed.
Other relevant information: The pit bull is typically a people loving, intelligent and fun breed. Many excel at obedience training and dog sports such as agility, weight pull, frisbee, and flyball. Due to their affinity with people, this breed is a good candidate for rescue and adoption, but potential homes need to be carefully screened to insure that the new owners understand and accept the responsibility of owning a pit bull. Media hysteria and bad owners have greatly damaged this breed and every incident involving a pit bull makes it worse for the entire breed and their owners, often prompting breed specific legislation or breed bans.
Potential owners need to be informed of the pit bull's correct temperament, and need to be prepared to deal with the issue of dog aggression. Most pit bulls have a high prey drive and may chase small animals or livestock. This is NOT a breed for everyone! The only way to repair the pit bull's bad reputation is to keep them in the hands of responsible owners.
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Pit bulls tend to be very dependent on their humans and crave love and attention.
This breed tends to love all people, especially children.
Media hysteria and bad owners have greatly damaged this breed
Good article Arlo but as can be seen from this thread, the hysteria will never go away!!the continuing media hysteria generated by bad press and bad owners.
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Nor will the body count as testimony.HHTel wrote:Good article Arlo but as can be seen from this thread, the hysteria will never go away!!
Talk is cheap
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Man dies following dog attack
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/0 ... sfeed=true
"An 83-year-old man has died after being attacked by a pitbull-type dog that had escaped from a neighbour's garden. A man in his 30s was arrested on Wednesday on suspicion of manslaughter following the attack on Leslie Trotman in Brentford, west London."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/0 ... sfeed=true
"An 83-year-old man has died after being attacked by a pitbull-type dog that had escaped from a neighbour's garden. A man in his 30s was arrested on Wednesday on suspicion of manslaughter following the attack on Leslie Trotman in Brentford, west London."
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Its sad that it has come to this due to in breeding of these dogs and result that has finally reared its ugly head. Not all dogs are bad but with the type of owners related to these dogs I agree the type should be put down. Sad as this reaction is it has to be. One more death due to this animal will be too much.
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These statistics are pretty damning:
Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 26, 2011
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statis ... lifton.php
Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 26, 2011
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statis ... lifton.php
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In the original post, copied from the newspaper, I can't help noticing how many times they use the word, "apparently."
Another thing I notice, is that all replies on this thread seem to be from folk who have never owned a pit bull. Lastly, why so much stereotyping?
Not everyone who owns a pit bull is a gangster, and no, not all of them are trying to make a statement.
I have owned a pit bull, and as a result, nothing and nobody will convince me that the breed as a whole is evil. A couple of my friends have owned one at one time or another, and their dogs also proved the breed is not something unleashed from hell. With my one, anyone could have come onto the property and done anything they wanted, and my pit bull would not have bitten them. In all the time I had him, he never once showed any signs of aggression. He was just a very solid, clumsy, playful, overgrown baby. If anything, he was totally bloody useless as a guard dog, as is my Rottweiler that I have now. I will gladly invite anyone, grown ups or children, to try and provoke my rottweiler to the point where she'll bite - it will NEVER happen, and my pit bull was exactly the same.
A lot of people, but not all, do get pit bulls for all the wrong reasons, and I think even more so in Thailand, considering very few Thais actually want a pet dog in the first place. Some will have pit bulls purely for breeding because it's an opportunity to get a few baht. Others will be involved in illegal dog fighting, while maybe only 1% will have the dogs as pets in the true sense of the word. So, considering how the situation is here in Thailand, allowing people to own pit bulls may not be a very wise thing, given that 90% of those dogs are going to end up on the streets.
As with all breeds, dogs need to socialize with other dogs and people when they're still puppies, and unfortunately this often doesn't happen with the "killer" breeds because owners keep the dogs on chains or locked up in enclosures.
As for eliminating the breed entirely.............if you get rid of one breed because people have and are being attacked by that breed, you should get rid of all breeds with a reputation of biting, irrespective of the breed size and/or strength. An aggressive breed is an aggressive breed. Many stray/soi dogs bite as well, but there's no specific breed when it comes to soi dogs, the the entire lot should be removed from society as well. It would be interesting to see how people get bitten by soi dogs compared to the number of people being bitten by pit bull, rottweilers, and etc.
What i haven't mentioned yet though, is that if keep these big "killer" dogs, you should perhaps only keep one of them at a time.
So, on a slightly different note..................would anyone like to come and test my killer rottweiler for aggressive behavior? Of course you're welcome to use the shower afterwards to get all saliva off you.
Another thing I notice, is that all replies on this thread seem to be from folk who have never owned a pit bull. Lastly, why so much stereotyping?
Not everyone who owns a pit bull is a gangster, and no, not all of them are trying to make a statement.
I have owned a pit bull, and as a result, nothing and nobody will convince me that the breed as a whole is evil. A couple of my friends have owned one at one time or another, and their dogs also proved the breed is not something unleashed from hell. With my one, anyone could have come onto the property and done anything they wanted, and my pit bull would not have bitten them. In all the time I had him, he never once showed any signs of aggression. He was just a very solid, clumsy, playful, overgrown baby. If anything, he was totally bloody useless as a guard dog, as is my Rottweiler that I have now. I will gladly invite anyone, grown ups or children, to try and provoke my rottweiler to the point where she'll bite - it will NEVER happen, and my pit bull was exactly the same.
A lot of people, but not all, do get pit bulls for all the wrong reasons, and I think even more so in Thailand, considering very few Thais actually want a pet dog in the first place. Some will have pit bulls purely for breeding because it's an opportunity to get a few baht. Others will be involved in illegal dog fighting, while maybe only 1% will have the dogs as pets in the true sense of the word. So, considering how the situation is here in Thailand, allowing people to own pit bulls may not be a very wise thing, given that 90% of those dogs are going to end up on the streets.
As with all breeds, dogs need to socialize with other dogs and people when they're still puppies, and unfortunately this often doesn't happen with the "killer" breeds because owners keep the dogs on chains or locked up in enclosures.
As for eliminating the breed entirely.............if you get rid of one breed because people have and are being attacked by that breed, you should get rid of all breeds with a reputation of biting, irrespective of the breed size and/or strength. An aggressive breed is an aggressive breed. Many stray/soi dogs bite as well, but there's no specific breed when it comes to soi dogs, the the entire lot should be removed from society as well. It would be interesting to see how people get bitten by soi dogs compared to the number of people being bitten by pit bull, rottweilers, and etc.
What i haven't mentioned yet though, is that if keep these big "killer" dogs, you should perhaps only keep one of them at a time.
So, on a slightly different note..................would anyone like to come and test my killer rottweiler for aggressive behavior? Of course you're welcome to use the shower afterwards to get all saliva off you.
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STEVE G wrote:These statistics are pretty damning:
Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 26, 2011
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statis ... lifton.php
Just had a look at the chart, and yes, the figures do paint a bleak picture, but, the figures do represent a period of 30 years.
Let's take the rottweiler figure as an example.....
In the last 30 years, 481 people sustained bodily harm from rottweilers. Considering the population of America and Canada combined, and the fact that rottweilers were and still are so popular...........
Personally, I'd be willing to bet my life on it that there are more than 481 people sustaining bodily harm from soi dogs, not over the space of 30 years, but in the space of 1 year. Hell, I know of 5 people being bitten by one dog alone, and that just in one road. At the same time, I do realize, it's a stinking dog, a mangy dog, a big dog, but it's not a pit bull or a rottweiler, and of course, the bites are never reported or entered into a register for the sake of statistics.
Don't try to impress me with your manner of dress cos a monkey himself is a monkey no less - cold fact
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Those statistics are stated as being taken from press reports so obviously minor attacks aren't going to be taken into account.....the bites are never reported or entered into a register for the sake of statistics.
I'm still curious as to why anyone would actually want a pitbull if it's not for it's violent reputation as they're pretty nasty, ugly looking things and most other breeds would make better pets.
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Not sticking up for Pitbulls/Rottwiellers or anything, as don't like them personally, but... "894 people are killed each year in the U.S. by sheep"Takiap wrote:but, the figures do represent a period of 30 years. Let's take the rottweiler figure as an example.....
In the last 30 years, 481 people sustained bodily harm from rottweilers. Considering the population of America and Canada combined, and the fact that rottweilers were and still are so popular...........
Personally, I'd be willing to bet my life on it that there are more than 481 people sustaining bodily harm from soi dogs, not over the space of 30 years, but in the space of 1 year.
SJ
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Good Lord!Super Joe wrote:......894 people are killed each year in the U.S. by sheep
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That means in Wales and New Zealand it must be in the ten's of thousands. 
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Bees only managed 54 Sharks 75 worldwide on average Pull off the wings, cut off the fins and dip those wooly Bas***ds 
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Sharks 75 worldwide on average Pull off the wings, cut off the fins and dip those wooly Bas***ds Crazy 88