I travel back and forth a lot on Rama 2, and I am in Hua Hin just now.
I think that even if there is some flooding on Rama 2 it will probably not be anywhere near what is happening further North. It is coming from a different river for one thing, and secondly the area they are referring to is mostly a big flat area which will allow the water to spread out further, rather that get too deep. It happened briefly a few days ago and the water was not very deep on the road.
The Floods of 2011
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May you be in heaven half an hour before the devil know`s you`re dead!
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What was the worst is now clearing. It's all sitting in and above Bangkok now looking for a way to the sea, and per new reports no Bangkok district will escape at least some flooding. Pete 
Floodwaters subside from most parts of Ayutthaya
November 5, 2011 4:03 am
Floodwaters have subsided from most parts of Ayutthaya, Channel 3 reported Saturday evening.
The TV station played footage of dry roads in the central province and showed people started cleaning up the areas around their houses.
The provincial administration planned a big cleaning day on November 10, which was initially planned for Loy Krathong celebration.
The Nation
Floodwaters subside from most parts of Ayutthaya
November 5, 2011 4:03 am
Floodwaters have subsided from most parts of Ayutthaya, Channel 3 reported Saturday evening.
The TV station played footage of dry roads in the central province and showed people started cleaning up the areas around their houses.
The provincial administration planned a big cleaning day on November 10, which was initially planned for Loy Krathong celebration.
The Nation
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Introducing the Flood Duck. Good idea and will probably save some lives. Pete
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/life/Sa ... 69249.html
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/life/Sa ... 69249.html
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Re: The Floods of 2011
As we found in the UK in 2007 the initial damage to buildings from flood water can be followed weeks - even months - later by secondary problems caused by seepage up into walls. I guess most building construction in Thailand takes account of flood risk. Certainly traditional style houses do - but I wonder how the more modern buildings in the central areas of Bangkok will fare longer term?
Still it's good news that the worst is over up country. Hopefully soon Bangkok will be clear as well, and all that will remain is to decide who is accountable...
Still it's good news that the worst is over up country. Hopefully soon Bangkok will be clear as well, and all that will remain is to decide who is accountable...
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Agree with above comments: who's accountable and where they take the money from? especially with all the populist policies/schemes they've announced before the flood water hit Bangkok.
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That's because the vast majority of people (including the media) in western countries don't give a rip about Thailand.ozuncle wrote:It's strange that for the last 2 or 3 days, news of the floods in Thailand has been non existant on our daily TV news here in Australia. Just a small column in the daily news papers.
With more than four hundred dead and many thousands homeless, we would normally be bombarded by the media with requests for donations.
From what I read on our daily forum updates (Thanks) things in BKK are getting worse, not better, so why is the news drying up?
Just last Wednesday, some of my family had to evacuate from Bang Sue.
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I am a Canadian who was living in Bangkok and I received notice from our Embassy that only those on essential business should stay in Bangkok. So I used the excuse to head back to Canada for a visit, As our plane took off I was able to see the devastation of Thailand. It is unbelievable the amount of land now covered in water. The tourist and business area in Bangkok were dry when I left and according to friends still there they remain dry. However the last few days I was there it was easy to see that the number of tourists there was a lot less, and it was also obvious that the number of businesses from taxis to food vendors was also less. My last night there it felt like the volume of people and traffic had easily dropped to half the normal rates, it was a bit eerie.
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This event has been slow to unwind so it's news worthiness has run out of credit even before the bad numbers have had a chance to surface . Remember this is also a serious regional problem with Cambodia and Vietnam taking a hit , not just Thailand. The recent long running political turmoil has not helped the Thai image to some extent with many I speak to a bit over Thailand and it's problems for now.Name Taken wrote:That's because the vast majority of people (including the media) in western countries don't give a rip about Thailand.ozuncle wrote:It's strange that for the last 2 or 3 days, news of the floods in Thailand has been non existant on our daily TV news here in Australia. Just a small column in the daily news papers.
With more than four hundred dead and many thousands homeless, we would normally be bombarded by the media with requests for donations.
From what I read on our daily forum updates (Thanks) things in BKK are getting worse, not better, so why is the news drying up?
Just last Wednesday, some of my family had to evacuate from Bang Sue.
Complexity is so simply overrated
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At least the situation seems to be improving in the Provinces:
Nakhon Sawan returning to normal
(Bangkok Post)
The floodwater in the municipality area of Nakhon Sawan has dropped to a normal level but is still inundating four outlying districts, governor Chairote Meedaeng said on Sunday.
In the four districts still flooded, the water is being pumped into the rivers and expected to be completely drained out next month, when cultivation of crops and trade are also expected to resume.
All main roads leading to Nakhon Sawan are now usable, except some secondary roads which are still flooded.
The governor said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra visited the province yesterday and handed over part of compensation amounting to about 300 million baht to about 70,000 flood-hit families.
About 500 roads, 500 temples and 900,000 rai of farmland have been damaged by floods. Rehabilitation and repair work will be carried out to bring them back to normal as soon as possible, Mr Chairote said.
Nakhon Sawan returning to normal
(Bangkok Post)
The floodwater in the municipality area of Nakhon Sawan has dropped to a normal level but is still inundating four outlying districts, governor Chairote Meedaeng said on Sunday.
In the four districts still flooded, the water is being pumped into the rivers and expected to be completely drained out next month, when cultivation of crops and trade are also expected to resume.
All main roads leading to Nakhon Sawan are now usable, except some secondary roads which are still flooded.
The governor said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra visited the province yesterday and handed over part of compensation amounting to about 300 million baht to about 70,000 flood-hit families.
About 500 roads, 500 temples and 900,000 rai of farmland have been damaged by floods. Rehabilitation and repair work will be carried out to bring them back to normal as soon as possible, Mr Chairote said.
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By my reckoning, that's about 4,000 baht for each family.Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra visited the province yesterday and handed over part of compensation amounting to about 300 million baht to about 70,000 flood-hit families
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Daily flood analysis for Sunday, Bangkok only. Pete
BMA's drainage system 'key'
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... system-key
Published: 6/11/2011 at 09:06 PM
Online news:
GIS expert working for Froc Dr Anond Snidvongs in a live NBT daily flood analysis noted:
Vibhavadi floodflow is swift. This is good in that the level will not rise and the water can be drained off, partially by canals along Vibhavadi road and other canals downstream.
Water outside Bangkok's flood barrier is declining daily.
The flood invading bangkok resulted from leaks at Rangsit barrier. This is being slowed down by Big Bag barrier finished yesterday.
The present flood needs to be drained off. The floodwater replenishment will be less than the BMA's draining capacity soon.
How long the present flood invading Bangkok will be drained off?
For main roads to be navigable, within one week depending on two conditions: Pumps must work 100% and flood walls are not sabotaged.
Khlong 8, 10 can be shut but Khlong 9 cannot due to local opposition. The need to close all 3 canals is due to the worsening situation for the canals downwards to handle increasing volume of floodwater.
BMA's daily drainage capacity is 30 million cubic metres. This pales in comparison with the natural draining of Chao Phraya at 300 million cubic metres a day.
The best way to manage floods is to use the natural waterway such as river and canals. Pumps/sluice gates are there to help regulate the waterflow, ie. to help the nature's way.
Destroying Big Bag will not help residents outside much as the water is still there. They may see water down a little, not much but the damage to the majority is huge.
If they face any difficulty, it is better for them to call Froc for help rather than harming the Big Picture which will impede Froc's ability to manage the flood situation and rehabilitation to those flood victims.
It does not help to let all the floodwater come into Bangkok unregulated as advocated by some because Bangkok itself does not facilitate the natural flow due to roads/building, low-lying areas. So it is not wise to let water flow into Bangkok as the water will not flow to the sea effectively, but will be retained in the city for a long time.
Sathorn, Pathumwan, Bang Rak, Khlong Toey will not see any flood as long as BMA's pumping stations work effectively.
Flood invading inner Bangkok is characterised by wide distribution but the level is steady now.
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Bangkok situation still 'critical'
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... l-critical
Published: 6/11/2011 at 08:17 PM
Online news:
Dr Seri Supranit, a GIS analyst, in his daily flood analysis at TPBS:
About 60 per cent of the total area of Bangkok remains flooded.
There is still considerable floodwater as far north as Ayutthaya.
Phetkasem Road to the South is impassable.
Heavy flooding remains in Pathum Thani immediately north of Bangkok, and satellite photos show a huge water mass in that province.
The water level at Chulalongkorn sluice gate continues to decline, including upper Khlong Prempachakorn.
About 20 per cent of the water mass has intruded into Thon Buri areas and flooded the west side of the river. Kathumban in Samut Sakhon province is partially flooded.
Khlong Bang Sue is the latest defence, which should stop or slow down the water, depending on the capacity of BMA to drain off water from this canal.
Chatuchak district of Bangkok is totally flooded (although the Sunday market operated as usual). Ram-Intra area is badly flooded.
Saen Saep canal shoulders heavy responsibility right now. If water pumps have problems at Phra Khanong pump station, the canal will overflow its banks and flood areas towards Khlong Prawase and Khlong Samrong which are still dry.
Key: Maintain water pumping capacity as best as possible.
BMA's drainage system 'key'
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... system-key
Published: 6/11/2011 at 09:06 PM
Online news:
GIS expert working for Froc Dr Anond Snidvongs in a live NBT daily flood analysis noted:
Vibhavadi floodflow is swift. This is good in that the level will not rise and the water can be drained off, partially by canals along Vibhavadi road and other canals downstream.
Water outside Bangkok's flood barrier is declining daily.
The flood invading bangkok resulted from leaks at Rangsit barrier. This is being slowed down by Big Bag barrier finished yesterday.
The present flood needs to be drained off. The floodwater replenishment will be less than the BMA's draining capacity soon.
How long the present flood invading Bangkok will be drained off?
For main roads to be navigable, within one week depending on two conditions: Pumps must work 100% and flood walls are not sabotaged.
Khlong 8, 10 can be shut but Khlong 9 cannot due to local opposition. The need to close all 3 canals is due to the worsening situation for the canals downwards to handle increasing volume of floodwater.
BMA's daily drainage capacity is 30 million cubic metres. This pales in comparison with the natural draining of Chao Phraya at 300 million cubic metres a day.
The best way to manage floods is to use the natural waterway such as river and canals. Pumps/sluice gates are there to help regulate the waterflow, ie. to help the nature's way.
Destroying Big Bag will not help residents outside much as the water is still there. They may see water down a little, not much but the damage to the majority is huge.
If they face any difficulty, it is better for them to call Froc for help rather than harming the Big Picture which will impede Froc's ability to manage the flood situation and rehabilitation to those flood victims.
It does not help to let all the floodwater come into Bangkok unregulated as advocated by some because Bangkok itself does not facilitate the natural flow due to roads/building, low-lying areas. So it is not wise to let water flow into Bangkok as the water will not flow to the sea effectively, but will be retained in the city for a long time.
Sathorn, Pathumwan, Bang Rak, Khlong Toey will not see any flood as long as BMA's pumping stations work effectively.
Flood invading inner Bangkok is characterised by wide distribution but the level is steady now.
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Bangkok situation still 'critical'
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... l-critical
Published: 6/11/2011 at 08:17 PM
Online news:
Dr Seri Supranit, a GIS analyst, in his daily flood analysis at TPBS:
About 60 per cent of the total area of Bangkok remains flooded.
There is still considerable floodwater as far north as Ayutthaya.
Phetkasem Road to the South is impassable.
Heavy flooding remains in Pathum Thani immediately north of Bangkok, and satellite photos show a huge water mass in that province.
The water level at Chulalongkorn sluice gate continues to decline, including upper Khlong Prempachakorn.
About 20 per cent of the water mass has intruded into Thon Buri areas and flooded the west side of the river. Kathumban in Samut Sakhon province is partially flooded.
Khlong Bang Sue is the latest defence, which should stop or slow down the water, depending on the capacity of BMA to drain off water from this canal.
Chatuchak district of Bangkok is totally flooded (although the Sunday market operated as usual). Ram-Intra area is badly flooded.
Saen Saep canal shoulders heavy responsibility right now. If water pumps have problems at Phra Khanong pump station, the canal will overflow its banks and flood areas towards Khlong Prawase and Khlong Samrong which are still dry.
Key: Maintain water pumping capacity as best as possible.
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Name Taken wrote:That's because the vast majority of people (including the media) in western countries don't give a rip about Thailand.ozuncle wrote:It's strange that for the last 2 or 3 days, news of the floods in Thailand has been non existant on our daily TV news here in Australia. Just a small column in the daily news papers.
With more than four hundred dead and many thousands homeless, we would normally be bombarded by the media with requests for donations.
From what I read on our daily forum updates (Thanks) things in BKK are getting worse, not better, so why is the news drying up?
Just last Wednesday, some of my family had to evacuate from Bang Sue.
The BBC 24 coverage here in the UK was giving regular updates on the floods up until the M5 accident on Friday evening - now it's dropped from the radar. There's still a government travel advisory against non essential travel to the affected Provinces.
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Now, sadly, articles like this are beginning to appear:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crimes/ ... phoned-off
I guess disasters will always be opportunities to the more unscrupulous.
Another interesting flood photo:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crimes/ ... phoned-off
I guess disasters will always be opportunities to the more unscrupulous.
Another interesting flood photo:
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?
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Bloody moses holding back the sea!
I always knew the Thais could make water go up hill !
I always knew the Thais could make water go up hill !