Child sexual abuse in Thailand

[Takiap]

Poosmate......different schools end on different dates.



BingoBango.......Nobody (Plum included) knows what really happened, or in fact, if anything happened at all. Judging from your choice of words, my guess is you're either still very young, or else you have not had much experience as far as living in other countries is concerned. NOT everyone wants to be a dead hero, and especially a dead hero for no real reason.

[BingoBango]

Takiap....Im simply stating that as a father if i saw that then I would have confronted the old man.

I cant remember me and my dad taking our pants off in a shed together.

You would have to be lacking minerals as a man and a father if you turned the other way after seeing that happen.

I think the story is a fabrication.

[kendo]

Dead hero, i dont think that would be the case here, pedo's would normally go to ground not seek revenge and just because this man has been fired it does not protect children it would just move the problem else where.

I personally would have challenged him on the spot or would still raise conserns with his employer and i would get the mrs to deal with the authority's as it would be more well received from a Thai.

Mr Plum started this thread with genuine concern so he should do somthing not "he's been fired no more issue" i dont buy that, how can any decent human being turn a blind eye to child abuse no matter what country you are in you have moral responsability here.

Kendo.

[hhfarang]

Just remember, there is still no evidence of a crime (unless I missed something). There could be a very innocent explanation and this is Thailand. People here (fathers and sons) may not have privacy issues that western families have. They could have been checking for ticks or lice; just a silly example, but you know what I mean.

You better be certain you know what is going on before you light the torches, grab the noose and go after the guy.

[Winkie]

I do feel sorry for Mr Plum regarding this issue. He has seeked Genuine advice regarding a 'delicate' issue that is very difficult for him or anyone to either fully understand, or to know how to proceed.

Whilst Mr Plum is well-known for his own personal views, this thread is not about those.

Certainly I agree with some of the posts, regarding proceeding with 'extreme' caution, I think it is unnecessary to challenge his status as a human being!

Whilst there are many possible innocent and not-so-innocent possibilities, Dropping your trousers to inspect your son for Arse Ticks is probably not one of them.

Some suggested getting him fired. That's happened, so, to some posters, the problem could already be solved. Certainly with regard to Mr P's own childrens' direct safety.

I can't directly add my own advice, except the proceed with caution statement, except possibly contacting either the Child Rights Protection Center or The Prachabordee Center (sorry, you will need to search for them) for further advice - maybe through one of these, they could advice of a discreet anonymous way to make a report)

[Siani]

Mr P, the problem is far from solved . Just because the mess has gone from your doorstep, it now goes on to another one. The child is still at risk from further abuse. If it were me, I could never leave it rest.
I have read the comments on this post...really speaking, who really thinks that he is innocent..looking for ticks, fleas etc ...whatever, that is rubbish...you do not look for things like that in the dark, with your own trousers undone!
I think you must find out where he has gone. Then you must write anonymously to the new employer, child abuse support etc. He must be stopped. He must still be in the area, ready to pounce on other innocent children. These people must be exposed, they really must. Mr P by ignoring this problem, you are putting your own and other children at risk.
Please do not brush it under the carpet Mr P.

[Dahling]

Please do not brush it under the carpet Mr P.

You're assuming it was ever there to be swept up in the first place.

[Lung Per]

May we go on with our lives now? Thank you.

[GLCQuantum]

Just to add my 2 satangs worth....

From my experience pedophilia is close to accepted behaviour amongst the poorer Thais.

Whilst sharing a glass of Lao Kao in various parts of Thailand (namely Hua Hin, Samut Sakhon, Samut Prakan, Bang na and Bang Khae) with factory workers, and participating in the normal conversation that results (woman) I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the amount of times that, whilst I've been 'admiring' his collection of porn, and pondering as to which CD I will be taking home with me that night, I have come across kiddie porn! On questioning further I am always told that they can get me more if I like (for a small fee of 80 baht a DVD).

Now....I certainly do not want to make a sweeping generalization but in EVERY place I have encountered a group of Thai lads at the bottom of the wage pool here they have ALL not batted an eyelid at these disgusting DVD's.

We stand on a VERY different moral ground.

On Mr Plum's scenario.... He did the right thing to leave it and warn his kids. What Mr Plum did was the only thing he could have done without affecting his family as a consequence and.. believe me... you do not want to make it known that you put a Thai out of a job, regardless of reason, as you won't be believed anyway.

[GLCQuantum]

Mr P, the problem is far from solved . Just because the mess has gone from your doorstep, it now goes on to another one. The child is still at risk from further abuse. If it were me, I could never leave it rest.
I have read the comments on this post...really speaking, who really thinks that he is innocent..looking for ticks, fleas etc ...whatever, that is rubbish...you do not look for things like that in the dark, with your own trousers undone!
I think you must find out where he has gone. Then you must write anonymously to the new employer, child abuse support etc. He must be stopped. He must still be in the area, ready to pounce on other innocent children. These people must be exposed, they really must. Mr P by ignoring this problem, you are putting your own and other children at risk.
Please do not brush it under the carpet Mr P.

Siani, whilst I agree with your sentiments... open your eyes love - it is rife!

We are not in our home country's anymore and the minute you take action on a similiar situation to Mr P's ,like we all would back home, is the minute your quality of life will be in jeopardy.

[Takiap]

Just remember, there is still no evidence of a crime (unless I missed something). There could be a very innocent explanation and this is Thailand. People here (fathers and sons) may not have privacy issues that western families have. They could have been checking for ticks or lice; just a silly example, but you know what I mean.

You better be certain you know what is going on before you light the torches, grab the noose and go after the guy.

HHF.......I agree with you 100%. I can't for the life of me see how the problem has been shifted elsewhere, or why Mr P should be ashamed for not taking action. Take action against what? What problem has been shifted elsewhere????????????????????



Mr P THINKS he saw something out of place. Perhaps he was wrong, or perhaps a perfectly good explanation. I THOUGHT I would be a millionaire, but I'm not. I THOUGHT this and I THOUGHT that can land you in serious trouble.

Some posters have already branded the guy a pedophile for goodness sake, and that without even the slightest bit of evidence.

Let's just say someone cam around to my place and saw me pulling up my pants as I came to see who was at the gate, and then a then they saw one of my daughters emerging from the house adjusting her skirt, would I then automatically be guilty of child abuse?


I know one thing........maybe you can accuse a Thai and get away with it, but God help anyone that gets it into their head to accuse me. as the father of my children, I would be furious beyond reason. Sexual abuse allegations are serious, and I honestly don't think we should be so quick off the mark to find this chap guilty. I too have seen things which seemed rather odd/strange, but not being fluent in the language, and more importantly, not being Thai, how could I be sure? In a situation where there is absolutely no doubt, I would definitely step in, but as long as there is doubt, I'll stick with democracy which as far as I remember, states that you are innocent until proven guilty.


I stick by my guns Mr P, in that I think you did the right thing. I for one would hate to think I was responsible for an innocent man rotting in prison.

[hhfarang]

^ Yes, people laugh at my "silly" scenario, but I was raised in the southern U.S. and I remember many times after hunting, fishing, or camping trips when my father, brother, and I took our clothes off and checked for ticks (and there was nothing sexual about it). You people from cold climates just don't understand that sort of thing or maybe you just have dirty minds.

[MrPlum]

Please do not brush it under the carpet Mr P.

My apologies for making it sound like I was just writing the incident off and am happy to kick the can down the road. Far from it. Yes, I could find out where he has gone and warn others but there are risks here too. 'Belief' is not proof and Thais are like the Stazi. Maids talk, partners talk, the gardener talks, they all chatter away and seem to share everything. How long do you think it would take for word to spread that 'a 'farang' has been saying bad things about you'?

You have not been in Thailand very long. GLCQuantum and others understand the realities of life over here. More than I. Do you really think Thais pay attention to 'farangs', telling them how to behave or how to run their country? I've seen little evidence of it.

As much as you may be concerned that I 'do the right thing'... and my instincts are no different to yours... it is not just my responsibility to act. So, I talked it over with the mother of our charges and she talked it over with her family (so she says). THEY also have a choice as to how to proceed and they are better suited to taking action.

Just to correct some misconceptions. The reasons I did not stop and confront the man were because what was there to confront? I would have seen a father and son, dressed. Both, a picture of innocence. I needed to make sure there wasn't an innocent explanation, one of the reasons I bounced it off the forum. I do not speak Thai well enough to be confronting anyone. Finally, the reason I added the 'drivel' about anger, is because I have seen how acting angrily in Thailand, can get you into serious trouble. It's all well and good, me doing battle, on a forum for old farts, who have nothing better to do than argue. It's another matter, entirely, when message board idealism meets the cold light of day. A large bucket of cold water is required.

As a general point, it had not really dawned on me how at risk youngsters are here. They have the risk of rape from local Burmese or Issan construction workers starved of females, fuelled by alcohol... sexual pressure from fathers, uncles, cousins and brothers. The culture itself creates more risk than we find in our own countries. You can see how irresponsible men are here. It's a patriarchal culture, with little in the way of protection or welfare for women. Perhaps even less for darker-skinned girls. How often do you hear.. "Thai men no good" from a female? Then there is the actually implementation of laws that may be on the books.

This article in the Pattaya Daily News highlights the scale of the problem... http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2010 ... -thailand/

'Ms. Suphensri Phuengkhoksoong, head of the Friends of Women Foundation, emphasis the dire need to stem the increase in child abuse and sexual assault, stating that it was the most pressing issue affecting Thailand across all social classes. “We are in the midst of a systemic social crisis,” explained Ms. Phuengkhoksoong.'

I don't really wish to dislike this country, one of the reasons I don't knock it, but...

[Siani]

It's all well and good, me doing battle, on a forum for old farts, who have nothing better to do than argue. It's another matter, entirely, when message board idealism meets the cold light of day. A large bucket of cold water is required.

I think it is hardly a battle Mr P. You asked for advice, you got it from the forum members We were not there, only you were. Anyway, you seem to have come to a conclusion

Also I am sure that you are wrong when you say " a forum for old farts"...I think a debate over a serious matter is no reason to say "nothing better to do than argue!"

[kendo]

GLCQ your statement i have run past my wife and her friend both from Issan but a long way apart is F**cking rediculous and deeply insulting to poor black rice farming Thai's you can not genralise that its rife my mrs who has lived in the U.K a long time and very westernised is furious at you comments.
Now in our village in Surin, a real sence of community and on our soi my wife's family have 10 houses the whole community look after each other around 1000, people live there my wife has two down syndrome cousins in there twenty's from the same family and every one looks out for them, alcoholism is rife and so is gambling.
When they cut the rice or its really cold people to smash the whisky white, gamble and play french bowles 18 hours a day.
My wife and her friend from Udon have never seen any of this altho you do get some bad lads put ther sisters on bars with the blessing of there parents, in our village there are very few girls inrelation to males so they are away on bars or factory working mai pen rai on that one.

Child abuse will happen every where but i would say less likely up in the villages as everyone looks out for one another.

Mr P genralizeation about Bermise or Cambodians is just like any official thai bull shit blame a foreignener not really a thai.

Mr P i know you choose to ignore me on here because i made a bit of fun with a gay couple back three years ago Seal Cat, as i recall and you got angry because of your son being gay but my whole point here is let someone get away with child abuse, i will bet if this is the case it will be more than one child.

Now If you do the right thing Boy gets examined and qestioned and dad gets qestioned and there is nothing wrong going on you, will be a hero in my opinion, my little seven month old girl looks at me, and grabs my face with eyes that are magical i am so in love with her i can not bare the thought of a child being abused.

Now your comment about thai whispers blah blah where you live etc but this is just small talk, if you PM me, i will know your name, and i will tell you exactly where you live fella, not bad for some one that has no interaction with you.