Garlic

[PeteC]

Anyone have any testimonials, other than what's already on the internet, about taking this?

I ask as have a friend who swears by it and takes 3 supplement pills per day, plus chews up and swallows two cloves per day with a few glasses of water. He's been doing this for a few years.

I thought, Ok, I'll give it a try as I have joint pain almost all the time and have for about the past 5 years, all joints. The doc has said it's the onset of arthritis. Makes golf, swimming and even hiking unpleasant activities.

I've done the routine for a week now and if it's not me just mentally curing myself, this stuff works as joint pain is decreasing daily since I've started.

Perhaps a placebo effect or the real deal, I don't know? Pete

[richard]

Probably getting in first before Mr Plum but it is part of my daily intake along with cayenne pepper,honey and Cider apple vnegar combined with loads of fruit

[splitlid]

when i was younger i was treking down the mountain, and came across a german couple staying in one of the many lodges, they took one look at me and sat me down for a breakfast of sliced sausage, raw garlic and rye bread.

told me it was wunderbar. and had some special powers.

my snowburnt face and dysentry drawn figure must have been effective.
will always remember that and have since loved garlic/ sliced sausage and rye bread.

germans on d other hand.........



just jokes.

[Spitfire]

You might want to have a look at fish oil as well as garlic if the joints are playing up Pete.

[Lung Per]

I don't know about garlic's medical effects but in and around Transylvania huge doses of garlic are known to keep werewolves and vampires away.....

[MrPlum]

I've done the routine for a week now and if it's not me just mentally curing myself, this stuff works as joint pain is decreasing daily since I've started.

Perhaps a placebo effect or the real deal, I don't know? Pete

I've seen many theories, as I'm sure you have, as to the cause of arthritis. Is it acid wastes or acid crystals being deposited in the extremities (where they can do the least damage) Is it micro-organisms? Yeast? Postural?

I have suffered with this problem too and would suggest the following:

Therapeutic fasting accelerates any cure and I'm a big fan as you know. It eliminates food sensitivities as a possible problem, allows the body to focus exclusively on healing and reduces the burden on the body caused by parasites, fungi and high levels of toxicity. Fasting does help the pain and swelling subside in RA sufferers. So stop eating. Even if only for 3 days.

Ensure you are moving your bowels daily and not poisoning your system with constipation.

Dissolve any acid crystals with ACV. If you ever get the chance to experience Darkfield Microscopy you can see acid crystals in the blood. Add Bicarbonate of Soda to the ACV but don't take it for too long. It can deplete the body of minerals.

Attack any micro-organism with Garlic and/or Sesame Oil or Coconut Oil (organic, cold-pressed, drink and apply externally). Reduce inflammation with Turmeric. Rebuild the joints with Glucosamine and MSM, which alone have helped several people I know. If joint pain is caused by 'leaky gut', you need to repair the lining of your gut/colon with Glutamine. Take digestive enzymes and high dose probiotics.

I know garlic helps, since I have it as a parasite/bactericide along with Colloidal Silver and cloves. I would take 3 raw garlic cloves daily, rather than tablet form. If your blood has been sluggish, for whatever reason, it has not been able to get into the micro-capillaries of the joints and flush out any waste in there. Garlic will help thin the blood and clean the arteries.

And drink clean water. Plenty of it. The body needs water to properly flush out waste and help alkalize.

Do an online test for candida. You can also see a Doc to get a test for Intestinal Permeability (leaky gut). Not sure where they do it in Thailand.

A sluggish or fatty liver may not be working efficiently. Bitter herbs wake up the liver and have it leaping like a salmon. Take a good colloid mineral supplement. Kelp is good and so is Shilajit (Ayurvedic).

Stress creates tension in the body and poor digestion/elimination. Dissolve whatever stress is in your life.

Take up yoga or swimming. It will help keep your joints flexible without any jarring impact. Cut out animal protein, including dairy, for a month. See what that does for you.

I've given you more than you asked for. Sorry about that.

Which of the above would I try?

All of them.

[PeteC]

Thanks I will continue, adding in some other things as suggested by Mr. Plum.

The supplements I have seem good quality, from Amway and not cheap. However, when gone I'll revert to just the clove form.

The clove form has a side benefit as well, as it offsets my wife's 'fragrance' after one of her numerous sum tum lunches with our neighbors. Sweet revenge! Pete

[migrant]

The clove form has a side benefit as well, as it offsets my wife's 'fragrance' after one of her numerous sum tum lunches with our neighbors. Sweet revenge! Pete

Reminds me of family dinners with my ex (Korean) wife, the kim chi, but I too like it.

Old Korean joke,

Why do Koreans feed their kids kim chi?

So they can find them in the dark.

Sorry for the divergence

[Super Joe]

I thought, Ok, I'll give it a try as I have joint pain almost all the time and have for about the past 5 years, all joints. The doc has said it's the onset of arthritis.

Pete, have you been properly tested and diagnosed as to what type of arthritis it is ? Gout or other ?

SJ

[PeteC]

I thought, Ok, I'll give it a try as I have joint pain almost all the time and have for about the past 5 years, all joints. The doc has said it's the onset of arthritis.

Pete, have you been properly tested and diagnosed as to what type of arthritis it is ? Gout or other ?SJ

No, it's not gout. I have many friends with that, some as young as 40, and I'm no where near their degree of pain and difficulties. By proper test, probably not. It was routine exam with the MD feeling and testing joints with the comment, "normal onset of old age arthur...". It's not debilitating, just annoying. This garlic intake is indeed doing something positive though. Pete

[MrPlum]

One of the reasons for suggesting the mineral supplement is that one important mineral, Boron, is lacking in the soil in some parts of Thailand.

Where Boron levels are adequate in many countries, the incidence of arthritis is low. Where Boron is low, arthritis is high. You can research this yourself.

http://www.agnet.org/library/bc/51006/

Taking minerals in Colloidal form means they are properly absorbed, rather than excreted. The belief is that when your diet (or attitudes) are acid-forming, the bodies minerals are used up countering the acidity and there is then a need for supplementation.

Boron:
http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T109236.html

It goes without saying, you should always consult your Doctor. I'm not aware of a cure for arthritis, though, and would be very cautious about taking what is on offer, if they are still prescribing NSAIDS or corticosteroids. Once you are on corticosteroids, which have a wondrous effect initially, you are screwed. The body sees cortisol in the system and stops making its own. Now you are dependent on the drugs and heading for a slow spiral down into pain management and eventual (possibly) deformity. This is what destroyed my mother and why I got into natural healing in the first place.

Boron (or Garlic) might very well be the magic bullet you seek. If not, then I think you have to take an holistic approach. Clean, alkalise, oxygenate and move the body. Give it a good supply of nutrients. Make sure you are clearing the bowel. Deal with the emotional underpinnings of disease. There are quick ways and slow ways of doing this. It doesn't have to be stressful.

Many people have insufficient levels of beneficial bacteria. I know this to be true since Candida overgrowth is extremely common. I'd look at this too, since this lack upsets the whole organism.

I've done quite a bit of research on arthritis over the years and tried several approaches myself, so I'm not just relying on web sites. There are many ways to tackle this and I'm happy to share notes or provide encouragement if you want to pm me.

Just my take and good luck

[PeteC]

Thanks. I'm not planning on taking any special medications such as corticosteroids etc.

Up until the relief I'm enjoying now from the garlic intake, I would simply pop 2 x 500mg Tylenol before the activity which carries me through for 4-5 hours or so.

I went to the range yesterday and hit 100+ balls with no Tylenol in advance and had very little joint pain. Some normal muscle pain this morning from being out of shape/practice concerning my golf swing, but no joint pain. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Pete

[hhfarang]

Bitter herbs wake up the liver and have it leaping like a salmon.

MrPlum,

Can you be more specific about the names of these herbs or bitter herbal supplements (I've read that bitter herbs in supplemental form exist) that are available here? Thanks.

[MrPlum]

Bitter herbs wake up the liver and have it leaping like a salmon.

MrPlum,

Can you be more specific about the names of these herbs or bitter herbal supplements (I've read that bitter herbs in supplemental form exist) that are available here? Thanks.

I make my own bitter herb tincture since I don't trust what's available over the counter. The Thais eat 'sadao' (Neem), 'bua bok' (Gotu Kola) and specific for the liver is 'Luk Tai Bai' (Phyllanthus Amarus). Neem is not ready to harvest just yet. I use the seeds. Bua Bok is in most markets and Luk Tai Bai is growing all over the place right now.

I can show you how to make it and where to buy it, if you don't have a Thai partner who can help. In general though, most bitter herbs are useful.

[PeteC]

Bitter herbs wake up the liver and have it leaping like a salmon.

MrPlum,

Can you be more specific about the names of these herbs or bitter herbal supplements (I've read that bitter herbs in supplemental form exist) that are available here? Thanks.

I make my own bitter herb tincture since I don't trust what's available over the counter. The Thais eat 'sadao' (Neem), 'bua bok' (Gotu Kola) and specific for the liver is 'Luk Tai Bai' (Phyllanthus Amarus). Neem is not ready to harvest just yet. I use the seeds. Bua Bok is in most markets and Luk Tai Bai is growing all over the place right now.

I can show you how to make it and where to buy it, if you don't have a Thai partner who can help. In general though, most bitter herbs are useful.

If you have a camera and spot some of the Luk Tai bai, please post a shot. Pete