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Please excuse this large quote below, but I thought my questions would make more sense if the entire set of requirements for the Non Immigrant Type O-A (Retirement) are included. This quotation is taken directly from the Thai Consulate (Vancouver) website.

My question(s) relate to the parts in bold red . . . i.e. the areas concerned with the various financial requirements. There seems to be a number of (vague?) "or"'s in the wording. So my question about this is:

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If I have zero in my account (as an example only) but can show a (notarized) monthly retirement income of 65,000 or more baht per month, would this satisfy the requirement? With the use of the word "or" it seems to say this, but I'm not 100% certain.
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I ask this not because I do not have the required amount, but because I really hate to leave that amount of money at an incredibly niggardly interest rate (as are all checking and savings accounts here in Canada).
I will if I have to, in order to get my O-A visa, but if the monthly income statement of 65000+ baht a month can be used as the needed requirement then I will do that and leave the 800,000 baht in a place where it's working for me.
I suspect that the 800,000 baht needs to be shown, but I'd like some clarification from any of you folks who are more in-the-know than myself. I still have 10 months to go before retirement date, but I'd like to get this more clear in my mind than it is at this point.

I understand that when my 12-month O-A visa becomes necessary to renew, I will have to have 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account. I can cross that bridge when I need to, but right now I am just asking about the original application (in which money in a Thai bank is not necessary).

PS ... I have read a number of threads in this Forum regarding the retirement visa, though often conflicting information when they get too long. Doing one's homework on this stuff can be quite hair-pulling!
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Thai Consulate, Vancouver wrote:One-Year O-A Visa for Retirees


This type of visa will be issued to applicants aged 50 years or above wishing to take retreat in the Kingdom for a period of at least one year.

1. Requirements for Obtaining a One-year O-A Visa
  • The applicant must be 50 years of age or older by the date of application
  • Applicants cannot be prohibited from entering the Kingdom
  • Applicants must having no criminal record against the security of
    Thailand or the country of his/her nationality, or the country of his/her residence.
  • Applicants must be of the nationality or resident in the country where his/her application is submitted.
  • Applicants must not have prohibitive diseases as indicated in Ministerial Regulation No. 14 (B.E. 2535).
  • Applicants cannot be allowed to work in Thailand
2. Documents Required to Apply for a One-Year O-A Visa
  • A passport valid for no less than one year and a half at the time of application
  • Three Visa Application Forms (with three passport-sized photos of the applicant taken within the past six months) certified by a lawyer or notary public.
  • A personal Data Form (i.e. "Additional Visa Application Form for "O-A" Long Stay) certified by a lawyer or notary public.
  • A bank statement showing a deposit of the amount equal to no less than 800,000 Baht or an income certificate (original copy) indicating a monthly income of no less than 65,000 Baht. Alternatively, applicants can make a deposit and provide an income certificate indicating a total income of no less than 800,000 Baht a year. All financial statement must have the signature of the bank officer. Any bank statements require a letter of guarantee from the bank (original copy) as well (this document must be valid for no more than 3 months).
  • A criminal record check indicating that the applicant has no criminal record in the country of his/her nationality or residence (this document must be valid for no more than 3 months).
  • A medical certificate issued from the country in which the application is submitted, showing no prohibitive diseases as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No. 14 (B.E. 2535) (this certificate shall be valid for no more than 3 months and must display a stamp or seal from the issuing office).
In the case that the applicant wishes to be accompanied by his/her spouse but the spouse does not meet the requirements for the O-A Visa, a marriage certificate shall also be included in the application package (The spouse will be considered for the Visa for Temporary Residents under the 'O' Code).

3. Fee for O-A Visa

CAD$200 per applicant

4. Other instructions for O-A Visa Applicants Once in Thailand
  • The alien shall report to the competent authority after 90 days in the Kingdom, and report every 90 days thereafter with the immigration officer in the alien's residence area, or report to the police station in the alien's residence area if there is no immigration control there. (In order to report to the competent authority by mail, the alien shall do as follows: Forward the Report Form (To Mo 47) together with a copy of the passport pages showing the alien's photo, personal details, and the latest arrival visa stamp and include a self addressed envelop with sufficient postage affixed. This must be forwarded 7 days before the due date. This package should be mailed to the Immigration Bureau, Sathon Tai Road,
  • At the end of the one-year stay, a visitor who wishes to extend his/her stay must submit a request to extend the period at the Immigration Bureau with documented evidence of money transfer, or a deposit account in the Kingdom, or an income certificate, of the amount of no less than 800,000 Baht or an income certificate plus a deposit account indicating a total amount of no less than 800,000 Baht a year.
    Sathon District, Bangkok 10120. In the case of conducting any following reports, the Reply Form for the previous report shall be enclosed as well.) Copies of any previous such Reports should also be included.
If the visitor's spouse wishes to extend his/her stay as well, the marriage certificate must be produced.
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Yes is the answer.
65.000 Bath is what you need every month to obtain your visa.
This must be officially stated from the Canadien Embassy in Bangkok.
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One press on submit gave 3 posts.
Server farting again?
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Norseman wrote:One press on submit gave 3 posts.
Server farting again?
Think it must be, Norseman. There's at least one more double post I've noticed, done at about the same time as yours. I don't like to delete until I'm sure the poster isn't going to, which you did :D
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If you can't pay...you can't stay....same the world over....except the western world...just arrive and they pay all your bills.....free housing education..furniture..
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Norseman wrote:" ... Yes is the answer.
65.000 Bath is what you need every month to obtain your visa.
This must be officially stated from the Canadien Embassy in Bangkok
... "
Thank you for your response Norseman. However, referring to the info in my post, I am applying first for my O-A visa from here in Canada, so the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok is not in the picture. It probably will be when ~ after my first year in Thailand on the O-A visa ~ I apply for a renewal.

But right now I am talking about the financial requirements for the original O-A visa application.


THEN ... after a few double posts and a double-post regurgitation from the Moderator, I get this from Big Jimmy:
" .... If you can't pay...you can't stay....same the world over....except the western world...just arrive and they pay all your bills.....free housing education..furniture ... "
Thank you for your help, but of course it is no help, just childish sarcasm.

I made it quite clear in my orignal post that the amount (of 800000 baht) was NOT an issue.

The issue I am inquiring about is whether it needs to be in an account in full, or whether my documented pension can be part or the requirements, or all of the requirements, or none of the requirements. I have no big deal with any of those scenarios, besides wanting good & correct knowledge going in.

If you'd like to speak to that precise issue, I'd be glad to take your comments seriously. This is only my 8th post on this message board, so how about a little slack for a newbie (who hopes to become part of this Board in the future)
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Post by DawnHRD »

I apologise for my regurgitation. I'm no legal expert, but from what I've read, heard & from my understanding of the document you posted, Norseman was quite correct. It's an either...or... situation, but, as Norseman also said, you should get the amounts certified, as stated in the document.
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I don't have a retirement visa, but I'm absolutely certain that the financial requirements are 800k in the bank, or income of 65k per month, or a combination of the two, as long as the total is no less than 800k for a year.
Thus it's possible to have 400k in the bank and an income of 33,333 a month, which takes you to the 800k threshhold (just about - I'm sure you'll see what I mean).
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lomuamart wrote:I don't have a retirement visa, but I'm absolutely certain that the financial requirements are 800k in the bank, or income of 65k per month, or a combination of the two, as long as the total is no less than 800k for a year.
Thus it's possible to have 400k in the bank and an income of 33,333 a month, which takes you to the 800k threshhold (just about - I'm sure you'll see what I mean).
I'm sure there must be a limit to the ratio of it all though?
Heres an example of what i mean:
You leave 700,000TBH in an account and you will only need to "supply" less than 8,500 a month to reach the total needed
I cant see them letting that happen somehow

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smiles wrote:However, referring to the info in my post, I am applying first for my O-A visa from here in Canada, so the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok is not in the picture. It probably will be when ~ after my first year in Thailand on the O-A visa ~ I apply for a renewal.
If I understand you correct, you are saying that you ask for a 1 year visa issued in Canada.
Is that possible?

I thought you only got a maximum of 3 months from Canada, then you have to get your 1 year visa while you are here in Thailand.

I'm sorry if I'm messing thing up, but is it possible to get a 1 year retirement visa OUTSIDE Thailand?
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Norseman wrote:" ... I thought you only got a maximum of 3 months from Canada, then you have to get your 1 year visa while you are here in Thailand. I'm sorry if I'm messing thing up, but is it possible to get a 1 year retirement visa OUTSIDE Thailand? ... "
Hi Norseman,
Not only possible, but in fact the 12 month Non Imm Type O-A retirement visa is only available from outside Thailand.
And not only that, but there are only a limited number of countries where it is available. I don't know how many or which ones, except that Canada is definitely one of them.

The requirements copied and pasted in the opening message were directly from the Thai Consulate website in Vancouver: http://www.thaicongenvancouver.org/cms/ ... iew&id=121


As you can see from the very kind responses above, my questions regarding some of the more vague (IMO of course) areas of the financial requirements are not just mine alone.
I appreciate all of the replies (perhaps there will be a few more) from everyone.
Between this Board's suggestions and hopefully a more precise explanation from the Consulate itself ( somewhere down the road :? ) I will eventually stumble across the definitive answer.

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Re: Question regarding Non Imm Type O-A Visa ....

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smiles wrote:Please excuse this large quote below, but I thought my questions would make more sense if the entire set of requirements for the Non Immigrant Type O-A (Retirement) are included. This quotation is taken directly from the Thai Consulate (Vancouver) website.Cheers ...
Verbosity is clarity, sometimes.

The above are all correct as I understand. I have read many version of the above document and been through thewhole scenarion with a fluent Thai and English speaking Indian immigration officer.

Two points to add:

1. The figure do not multiply out exactly but discrepancies will always go in your favour if if accompanied by a wai and asmile rather than a demand.

2. The interest rates on savings has been a recent topic on this site. Apparently there are banks that are offering way over the base rate and even over the mortgage rates. I have made some enquiries and it seems that they are avialble to foreigners under certain conditions. I think a non-O visa would be one and a minimum deposit another. Check out some of the Thai Bank web sites.
There are also many games you can play if you get an internet brokerage account set up where you can buy stock or forex with your Thai Baht and trade all over the world and then transfer back to Thai Baht when you need to renew your visa. You have to be careful as to the timescales withregards to the withdrawls if the 800,000 Baht lump sum option is used. This way you can satisfy Immigration and if you are good at it you can earn more interest. Exchanges rates are just another element to the game.
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Yep, you're right Smiles.
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lomuamart wrote:" ... I don't have a retirement visa, but I'm absolutely certain that the financial requirements are 800k in the bank, or income of 65k per month, or a combination of the two, as long as the total is no less than 800k for a year.... "
I quote this particular message above from lomuamart because it is a precise an answer as there is on this thread ... although all the rest have been very helpful (as have a number of welcome PM's)

Just this week I took a trip to Vancouver (for various reasons) and dropped into the Royal Thai Consulate there (the quote I pasted in the topc starter was from their own website). The Thai dude there was most gracious and friendly and when he passed over the 12-month Non Imm O-A Visa application package to me was most helpful in explaining the necessities within.

I questioned him at some length specifically regarding the financial requirements and the answer was very much as the quote above mentions, i.e. it CAN be a combination of money in the bank plus certified monthly income equal to 800,000 baht per year.

Although I shall be re-confirming the details of the calculations at the time I am ready to apply, I think the answer(s) to my original question(s) have been answered. I hope they'll help others as well.

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