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Buriram Adventure

Part 1

For anybody who knows me, and my dislike of the Isaan Region of Thailand, you will be asking, “Why Buriram? It’s as Isaan as Isaan gets.” The answer is simple, Buriram is the home of Thailand’s top football team, with a stadium to match. I’d been promising myself a visit for about 10 years, and with a travelling time of about 8 hours and 30 minutes each way (without roadworks and stops), it was a bit far for a day trip. So, I decided to go for a few days, and explore the area a little. Most of my research indicated that everything there was to see in Buriram could be seen in a day, but I generously allowed 3 days + 2 days for travel for my visit.

Day 1 - 22 November 2022

As part of my journey planning, I checked Google Maps, and I had an 8 hour 30 minute journey ahead of me. My car was kitted out with 2 oxygen bottles, and an oxygen condenser for when we got to the hotel. Wheelchair secured in the back, and all luggage on the back seat. The weather forecast was atrocious, so we didn’t want it getting wet.

To make sure I arrived in daylight, we set off at 07:05. Having become obsessed (to the point of paranoia) with speed cameras lately, I was running Google Maps in conjunction with the Radarbot app on my phone, and I also had my whispering radar detector on the dashboard. I must say, I did not realise Thailand was so sophisticated with speed camera technology. OK, having Radarbot and the radar detector working side by side, it became clear that only about 25% of cameras were actually working, but that was a hell of a lot of cameras between Hua Hin and Buriram. There must have been 30 or 40 working cameras.

There were 5 areas where the cameras could only be considered as ‘entrapment’. The speed limit suddenly dropped from 90 to 60 for no apparent reason, with a traffic camera not far ahead. Almost as soon as the camera was cleared, the speed limit was raised again. Whilst the cameras in the 80, 90 and 120 areas were not going to catch me out (I don’t drive fast) the 5 ‘entrapment’ cameras almost did.

I was wondering, in the 120kph zones, where there is a 100 minimum speed limit (traffic plodding along at maybe 75) do the cameras zap you if doing less than the minimum 100kph speed limit?

OK, enough about my paranoia, lets move on to the journey. Everything was going great until we got to Samut Sakhon. Of course, I knew there would be delays here, but I’d timed the journey to miss the worst of the traffic, not. Samut Sakhon to Bangkok took just over 2 hours. Then when I got to the first toll road, I was wondering what I’d paid my 50฿ toll for (tolls cost 135฿ in total on the outbound journey). It took over an hour to get to Rama IX Bridge – what are they doing? Building a second bridge just inches from the current bridge? So that had put over 3 hours on my 8 hour 30 minute journey.

I hadn’t done this route for quite a few years, such is my hate for Isaan, and it was amazing how the roads had changed. The most notable was the new road alongside the huge lake just before Korat. Such a monstrous eyesore in an area of outstanding beauty. I couldn’t help wondering what would happen to the many hospitality businesses that had grown up between the old road and the lake. It will probably put hundreds, if not thousands out of work, and it is such an eyesore in a beautiful area. The other major change was the number of buildings that had shot up in areas of what was previously countryside.

We arrived at Buriram just before 6pm (it was dark! – another cunning plan out of the window), and that is when the fun began. I pushed Mrs BB into the hotel, and we tried to check in. We were booked on the top floor, and I could see the receptionists looking at each other. “We don’t have an elevator.” I tell them they do, because I wouldn’t have booked into a hotel without facilities for a wheelchair. They blamed the booking agent – Agoda. At the end of the day, even though the computer said yes, there was no elevator.

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To cut a long story short, they placed us into the horrible hotel (it did grow on me slowly), next door, which cost less than I’d paid per night. Mrs BB even had to sit on a tiled floor to use her oxygen condenser – no table or dressing table to put it on. I was talking with Agoda, demanding an explanation and compensation. Even contacting Agoda was like trying to contact the dead. They promise a response within 60 minutes. It was over 2 hours before they responded. That was going to be an ongoing battle, and I will update you as I proceed with my story. It isn’t the first time they’ve falsely advertised. Remember our bungalow on Koh Samui? That too was supposed to be wheelchair friendly.

Today’s photos are only of the replacement hotel l + the advertised facilities at our booked hotel. Photos will get more interesting as the story continues.

To put is as nicely as I can, they absolutely ruined day 1 of the trip. Was this an omen for the rest of the week?

NB: Because of hotels in Thailand threatening legal action when people tell the truth, I will not mention hotel names.

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…………………………./ To be continued
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I haven't been up there for quite a few years either, not since my stepson finished at his Korat boarding school.
I remember the old road alongside the large lake, there was a park where you could sit eating barbecued fish looking at the view, it was the only enjoyable part of the drive!
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Yes, there are still plenty of hospitality places along the lake, but all of that will most likely end when that monstrosity opens. Looking at it, the opening can only be days away.
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Day 2 – 23 November 2022

Part 2

There was an almighty weather warning for the 23rd and 24th November, with Korat, Buriram and Surin getting special mentions regarding severity. Perfect, stuck in the hovel from Hell, and pouring with rain outside.

I woke up fairly early, still fuming over the hotel incident. Agoda were siding with me, and asking for photographs. That was easy, I booked and paid to stay in this hotel. I have been accommodated in this dump (actually it wasn’t that bad, but it is not where I booked, and I’d paid too much money for what I got).

After we showered, it was time to go for breakfast. I had to push Mrs BB to the hotel that we’d booked – bad weather hadn’t arrived yet. This was just rubbing salt in the wound of course, sitting beside the pool with an excellent breakfast.

I looked at the sky, and decided we’d gamble by doing a few outdoor trips i.e.:

• We started with a visit to Phanom Rung Historical Park, which was about 75 minutes’ drive away.
• On the way back, we stopped at Khao Kradong Forest Park.
• The entrance to Khao Kradong Forest Park was almost opposite the Buriram Utd Training Ground, so being football mad, I made that my next stop.
• By this time, the clouds were darkening, and we were feeling the occasional heavy drop of rain. I decided Buriram Castle would be our final stop (if we could actually stop because of the weather).

We actually got back to the hotel, just before the heavens opened, although drove through some very big puddles on the way back, so it had been raining in places.

The theme today has been wheelchair friendly. Well done Buriram.

Phanom Rung Historical Park

Weather was staying fine, although I could feel the very high humidity.

Prasat Hin Phanom Rung, is a Hindu Khmer Empire temple complex set on the rim of an extinct volcano at 402 metres elevation.

When we arrived, there was our first Jobsworth of the day asking where we wanted to go. We had just driven up a ginormous mountain, and there was only one place to go. As Mrs BB went to buy the tickets, the guy saw me lining up a photo of the price board, clearly showing dual pricing, and he tried to step in front - LOL he was too short. Farangs were paying 5 times as much as Thais. Car parking was the same, regardless of driver nationality.

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I always like to see these ancient buildings, although there is a limit to how many I can see in a day. Fortunately, Phanom Rung Historical Park is only one main building, with some beautiful grounds. That was my fix for a day, although I did manage Buriram Castle later.

I was delighted to see wheelchair access, although the initial wheelchair paths took some strength to maneuver. Of course, this access was only to the building’s outside. There was still a lot of climbing to do inside, while Mrs BB had to sit outside. A lot of the outside accessibility was simply across the grass.

People had told me this was Thailand’s answer to Angkor Wat, and it was on a par with Ayutthaya and Sukhothai. I can only imagine those people had never been to Angkor Wat, Ayutthaya or Sukhothai because it wasn’t a patch on any of them. In my opinion, it’s appearance was more like a decent stately home, and nowhere near on the scale of Angkor Wat, Ayutthaya or Sukhothai. It was a bit like watching your football team win at Wembley, and then going to watch a pub team playing in the local park the next day. Having said that, it was still very interesting, and I’m glad I went – it would have been a big shame to have missed it.

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Tomorrow, I’ll continue our Day 2 tour.

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What amazed me about Phanom Rung was that they could actually build such a structure 800 years ago in what is still a pretty remote location now.
As you can see in a couple of the shots above, there are places where you can look through the whole structure as six doors are perfectly aligned, you would struggle to get that standard of construction in parts of Buriram today!
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Yes, that is a good point. OK, smaller scale, but you'll see the same accuracy of alignment at Buriram Castle.

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That was a pretty steep hill to get the construction materials up as well.
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A lost ancient secret. Look at the Mayan, Inca, Egyptian and other civilizations that were able to do the same thing. They were aligning their buildings to capture movements of stars to calculate dates and seasons.
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PeteC wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:07 pm A lost ancient secret. Look at the Mayan, Inca, Egyptian and other civilizations that were able to do the same thing. They were aligning their buildings to capture movements of stars to calculate dates and seasons.
Yes, I've just had a look into this and apparently, four times a year the sunrise aligns with 15 doors at Phanom Rung:
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Day 2 – 23 November 2022 continued

Part 3

Khao Kradong Forest Park


We were starting to push our luck weather wise, with the occasional big wet drop being felt, and the sky turning black. Initially, I stopped at the huge staircase to the top of the mountain. It was about midday, and I quickly decided there was no way I was going to the top in the high humidity. I decided to go up the easy part (maybe 100 steps – probably less), take a few photos and go back down again – the staircase got uncomfortably steep after that. Hopefully you’ll get the idea from the photos. Of course, there is no way in the world such a staircase can be made wheelchair friendly. Mrs BB waited in a coffee shop at the bottom.

A funny story on the staircase. As I was going up, there were 4 schoolgirls following quite a distance behind me. They started practicing their English as I was going up. Usual Thai sayings regarding my masculinity, confirming how hansum I was, etc. When I turned to go back down again (planned from the outset) they did not know what to do. They continued up the steps towards me, looking away from me in dead silence. As we passed, I just said good afternoon girls. I think they wanted the ground to open and swallow them up.

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When I got back down again, I tried to read some of the signs, and deduced there was a wheelchair route through the woods to a lake, which was originally a volcanic crater (I might be talking rubbish, but that was my interpretation).

So, I had a quick cuppa with Mrs BB, and then we set off on a raised walkway to the lake. It was only a few hundred yards, but very welcome. Butterflies were numerous, although it seemed when I thought I should take some photos, none would stay still long enough. We sat on one of the piers on the lake for a few minutes, and then made our way back to the car again.

Everything en-route to and from the lake was (Thai) wheelchair friendly. I say ‘Thai’ because there was one gap too wide, and I initially lost 2 wheels down the hole, but the thought was there. Don’t panic, I was strong enough to keep the chair fairly level, and I didn’t lose Mrs BB down the hole.

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I’m sure there was a road to the top of the steps (hill), but Suphannee insisted I wasn’t allowed to drive up there, so I’m not sure what wonders I missed. I was willing to give it a go. At worst, there would have been Jobsworth number 2 telling me to turn around.

Buriram Utd Training Ground

This wasn’t a planned stop, but there it was, opposite the entrance to Khao Kradong Forest Park. Being a football nut, I couldn’t ignore such an opportunity. I took the mandatory photo of the club badge outside. I have no idea what significance the date beneath the badge means. However, a bit of research shows ground was broken to commence construction of Thunder Castle on 4th October 2010. Maybe the history books have the year wrong, or somebody cocked up when creating the badge, using the wrong year. Whatever, this is Thailand, and nobody will lose face by admitting the history books were wrong, or the wrong date was put on the badge.

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There was nothing going on at the training ground i.e. the pitches were deserted. So, I wandered to the entrance and lined up my first photo. Before I could press the button, there was another Mr Jobsworth telling me I couldn’t take photos. We discussed for a while (me talking English and him talking something else), but he was adamant – no photos. So, I took a photo of him gesturing with crossed arms, just to P him off.

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That then resulted in several other Jobsworths appearing. This was such a petty discussion, so I quickly snapped a few of the many buses inside the ground, just to P the rest of them off.

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With no exaggeration, it was like a graveyard for Buriram team buses. Maybe they are going to open a team bus museum. It was more like a corporation bus depot in the UK than a training ground. I was probably a bit naughty winding them up, but I was only taking a photo of an empty football pitch, and a few old buses – where was the harm? You have to wonder, with so many Jobsworths, what were they really protecting? Mrs BB must have thought I was going mad when I was giggling to myself as I pulled away.

Buriram Castle

It was a quick exit, and on the road again. I knew Buriram Castle was beside the Chang Arena (home of Buriram Utd FC). The football nut in me came to the fore once again. For about half an hour, it was forget Buriram Castle – I had to take photos of the Chang Arena. After all, this was one of my prime objectives of this visit. I parked my car covered in Ratchaburi Football Club stickers in an empty VIP car park, and went wandering with my camera, leaving Mrs BB sat in the car. An official did approach the car, but she talked her way out of it saying her Farang husband was football crazy, and was away taking a few photos.
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Chang Arena, Buriram Castle and Chang Circuit
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I did see Theerathon Bunmathan (one of Buriram and Thailand’s footballing heroes) get mobbed by Buriram fans as he came out of the stadium’s 7-11. I could have joined in, but something I learned very young is these guys are just people like the rest of us. They use 7-11 like the rest of us. I will not encroach on a footballer’s personal space unless approached by the footballer first. I just walked on, and resisted the opportunity to snap a few photos.

I even bought a shirt for John from one of the club’s Mega Stores. Quite a bargain actually – the price tag said 799฿, it was shown on offer for 399฿ and I paid 350฿ – just over £8. I’d like to see you do that at Old Trafford for a current season’s shirt.

By now, there was constant thunder, but still no rain to speak of. I couldn’t get Mrs BB up the steps to Buriram Castle, so I went alone. It is hard to find any information about Buriram Castle, so I’ll give you my take on it. To me, it was just another small temple built on top of a hill many years ago, and it has now become an interesting ruin, complimenting a shopping centre of the same name. It certainly couldn’t have accommodated more than a few monks. Trying to put an army in there would have been very cosy. The remains most certainly weren’t a castle. However, being on a small hill, there may have been other buildings there once, and the perimeter could have had fortified walls. I will say, I have used a lot of imagination in my vision of what it might have been.

Mrs BB had been to this relic before when she visited to discuss John and Ning’s wedding, so didn’t mind me going alone. From the Castle, there were views of the Chang Arena, the Chang International Circuit and the Botanic Gardens, which I think must have been sponsored by the Karma Sutra. I was genuinely shocked. I didn’t think I was old enough to walk around the gardens, and was even more shocked when I realised they had young kids walking around the exhibits. Now that I’ve whetted your appetite, you need to wait for the 24th November report to understand what I’m talking about.

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Chang Circuit
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With rain really looking imminent, we decided not to push our luck any further, and returned to our hotel.

It did pour down for about 2 hours, but finished in time for us to walk out for an evening meal. Mrs BB decided we’d eat in the hotel where we should have been staying. It really is a nice hotel, but eating there did nothing to quell my anger.

Day 2 Hotel Complaint Update

Nothing much to report. Agoda have taken the case on, and have asked me to be patient whilst investigations are ongoing. They did request photographic evidence, so I sent them a photo of where I had been booked into and where I was physically accommodated. That was simple. Even a 2 year old should have realised I had been accommodated in the wrong hotel

Tomorrow, I will move on to Day 3 of our tour with a wander around Khlong La Lom

Tb be continued………………………………………../
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Big Boy wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:05 am Nothing much to report. Agoda have taken the case on, and have asked me to be patient whilst investigations are ongoing. They did request photographic evidence, so I sent them a photo of where I had been booked into and where I was physically accommodated. That was simple. Even a 2 year old should have realised I had been accommodated in the wrong hotel
Your Agoda woes are quite common - its happened to me several times with bullshit descriptions - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=37190

When trying to dispute such things (as we did at the time), Agoda will blame the hotel and the hotel will blame Agoda, leaving the consumer at a loss as usual. The bottom line for us was not to use Agoda again.
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The really amazing thing to me is this particular hotel was recommended to me by my DIL, who is a Buriram girl. She knows more than most that her MIL needs a wheelchair/has mobility problems.

The lack of an elevator, I can understand her not knowing i.e. she lived in Buriram, so wouldn't have used the accommodation. The fact the indoor swimming pool did not exist, is again something a non-resident might miss. However, claiming the hotel had an on-site golf course, that took the biscuit. It was a town centre hotel building + outdoor pool area and a car park - where were they supposed to put the golf course?

I'm pre-empting a later instalment, but the hotel did actually read my complaint after suggesting I was a cheap Charlie Farang trying it on to get something for nothing, and I went ballistic. They too were shocked at the facilities being attributed to their establishment, and promised to get it sorted.

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I have used booking com for some years now. I've only had one problem with my bookings, that was in Luoyang, China when we had booked a private place but the owner never showed up to open the doors. After making a complaint to booking com, they swiftly returned my money and gave me a small discount to compensate my new booking. So I can recommend that company. I've used it in China, England, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Sweden.
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Yes, it wasn't the money at all - hotels are cheap as chips in Buriram. It was turning up in a strange town after an 11 hour drive, and realising we had no hotel. It took over 2 hours to contact Agoda, by which time we were in the hotel next door.

I've just checked the facilities attributed to the hotel on Booking.com, and there is no fantasy.
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But you can't blame Agoda. They can not check for millions of hotels, if the description is right.
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So what do we pay Agoda for?
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