120 kph speed limit comes local

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Re: 120 kph speed limit comes local

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Big Boy wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:51 am HHTel, I think you are basically saying the same as my OP. Many of the 'old' signs mean you return to old rules i.e. limits increase in lane 1, but decrease in lanes 2 and 3 - simples (if you're a mathematician). TIT
There were several instances where the overhead speeds and road paint were almost alongside the old 90 kph.
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Yes, of course, you continued to Bangkok. I only went to Ratchaburi.
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buksida wrote:
hhinner wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:49 pm
But to be fair some of those pick-ups will be turning right, eventually. In 2 or 3 kms. You have to get in the right lane early you know. Preferably straight from whatever side soi they come out of.
This is a feeble excuse, the vast majority of them (100% of the busses) hog the outside lane because the inner ones are so smashed up they don't want to drive on them. More so on highways in the south as most of the road repair budget goes to Issan as that's where the voters (recipients of envelopes) are.

So this speed limit by lane will never work nationwide when you're constantly undertaking slower vehicles hogging the "fast" lane. Its another clear example of the "me first" attitude that makes the roads here so deadly.
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You never know with some on here ... :duck:
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HHTel wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:27 am
Dannie Boy wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:35 am I thought they had done away with u-turns on roads with the new 120 limit. Plus, it’s vehicles with more than 7 seats, so you’re ok.
Vehicles with fewer than 7 seats: maximum 120 kilometres per hour
Vehicles in the rightmost lane: minimum 100 kilometres per hour
Passenger vehicles of over 7 seats but fewer than 15 seats: maximum 100 kilometres per hour
Vehicles with more than 15 seats or weighing over 2,200 kilograms: maximum 90 kilometres per hour
Tricycles and tow trucks: maximum 65 kilometres per hour
Motorcycles: maximum 80 kilometres per hour
Motorcycles with engines of 400cc or more: maximum 100 kilometres per hour
School buses: maximum 80 kilometres per hour
Clearly says fewer than 7 seats.
But below that it say vehicles of over 7 seats, so in my reckoning that is 8 or more - Thailand at its most explicit!!
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You're right. So if you have 7 seats then you don't fit into any category ..... lol
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LOL, so yet another variable. So what are the speed restrictions for an 8 seater in lane 1, lane 2 and lane 3? Does this change if the back row is folded down to carry luggage?
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HHTel wrote:You're right. So if you have 7 seats then you don't fit into any category ..... lol
No doubt it gives the BIB freedom to interpret to their advantage - farang - 7 seats - 500 Baht please. My Thai cousin - no problem!!


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Dannie Boy wrote:
HHTel wrote:You're right. So if you have 7 seats then you don't fit into any category ..... lol
No doubt it gives the BIB freedom to interpret to their advantage - farang - 7 seats - 500 Baht please. My Thai cousin - no problem!!


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The Thai version enumerates the limits for various classes of vehicle including those that carry more than 7 and not more than 15 passengers. In the list, the final entry is for other vehicles that are allowed to do 120 kph - cars for 1 to 7 passengers are not explicitly mentioned and are thus implicitly included in the final entry.

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ทางหลวงชนบท ที่มีทางเดินรถที่จัดแบ่งช่องเดินรถในทิศทางเดียวกันไว้ตั้งแต่สองช่องเดินรถ
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รถแต่ละประเภทในทางเดินรถโดยใช้ความเร็วไม่เกิน ดังนี้
(ก) รถบรรทุกที่มีน้ำหนักตัวรถเกิน 2,200 กิโลกรัม รถบรรทุกคนโดยสารที่ใช้
บรรทุกคนโดยสารเกินสิบห้าคน ให้ขับโดยใช้ความเร็วไม่เกินชั่วโมงละ 90 กิโลเมตร
(ข) รถในขณะที่ลากจูงรถอื่น รถยนต์สี่ล้อเล็ก หรือรถยนต์สามล้อ ให้ขับโดยใช้
ความเร็วไม่เกินชั่วโมงละ 65 กิโลเมตร
(ค) รถจักรยานยนต์ ให้ขับโดยใช้ความเร็วไม่เกินชั่วโมงละ 80 กิโลเมตร หรือ
รถจักรยานยนต์ที่มีกำลังเครื่องยนต์ตั้งแต่สามสิบห้ากิโลวัตต์ขึ้นไป หรือมีขนาดความจุของ
กระบอกสูบรวมกันตั้งแต่สี่ร้อยลูกบาศก์เซนติเมตรขึ้นไปให้ขับโดยใช้ความเร็วไม่เกินชั่วโมงละ
100 กิโลเมตร
(ง) รถโรงเรียน หรือรถรับส่งนักเรียน ให้ขับโดยใช้ความเร็วไม่เกินชั่วโมงละ
80 กิโลเมตร
(จ) รถบรรทุกคนโดยสาร เกินเจ็ดคน แต่ไม่เกินสิบห้าคน ให้ขับโดยใช้ความเร็ว
ไม่เกินชั่วโมงละ 100 กิโลเมตร
(ฉ) รถยนต์อื่นนอกจากรถที่ระบุไว้ใน (๒)(ก) (๒)(ข) (๒)(ง) และ (๒)(จ) ให้ขับ
โดยใช้ความเร็วไม่เกินชั่วโมงละ 120 กิโลเมตร



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But then there's this official ministry of transport graphic which shows vehicles 7 - 15 passengers limited to 100 kph. It's not complete though - eg it doesn't show buses other than school buses.
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Irrespective of the vagaries of the rules, I doubt they’ll be any strict interpretation.


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Is it any wonder that so many Thai police officers don't understand the rules of the road? Speed limit should be an easier part of the rules. What chance do us mere mortals have?
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In any other country you could safely assume that the authorities realise that a number of large SUV’s are capable of carrying up to 7 people and are covered in the up to 7 seats rule for cars - here you can’t assume anything!!


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Dannie Boy wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:09 pm In any other country you could safely assume that the authorities realise that a number of large SUV’s are capable of carrying up to 7 people and are covered in the up to 7 seats rule for cars - here you can’t assume anything!!


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On the way to Petchaburi this morning I saw these new signs, the 2nd one was taken about 200m after the 1st photo
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