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Don't know if this has been covered before but have been very recently contacted by the office of our condo asking the following.
Who owns the condo, what size is it and what size is the balcony as they have to inform the municipality so they can calculate the new property tax.
We have had the condo for nearly 20 years and the office ( same staff) have always been very honest and helpful.
I don't remember seeing anything on here about a new property tax and if there was I apologise.
Does anyone have any information?

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There's only been slight mention of it on the forum from what I can find. Below are a few articles explaining the latest.

Filing for land tax to be delayed until August

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/18 ... til-august

Landowners panic over tax changes

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/18 ... ax-changes

Buy-to-let classified as 2nd homes

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/18 ... -2nd-homes
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The mains points of the above are:

....According to the new tax structure, land and buildings used for residences with appraisal prices of up to 50 million baht are tax-exempt for principal homes, while those valued at more than 50-75 million baht are taxed at 0.03% of appraisal prices, more than 75-100 million baht at 0.05% and more than 100 million baht at 0.1%.

Those who only own houses, but not land, qualify for a tax exemption for the first 10 million baht of their houses' appraisal prices. Residences with appraised value of more than 10-50 million baht are charged 0.02%, more than 50-75 million baht at 0.03%, more than 75-100 million baht at 0.05%, and more than 100 million baht at 0.1%.

If owners have more than one home, the second and subsequent residences are subject to a 0.02% tax for those with an appraisal price of up to 50 million baht, and the same tax rate as principal homes is applied for those with appraisal prices above 50 million baht.....
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If a renter I'm sure the landlord will be around eventually wanting a rent increase to cover the new property tax. Almost certainly what he'll want will be inflated...TIT. Do the calculations and stand your ground.
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Not sure if your Condo is giving you a bum steer, or they are confused. If you are the owner then your name and the area is already recorded at the Land Department, and on the Chanote. If you are not the owner, then it is not your concern.

As Pete has posted, this new system is still in a state of flux and has been put on hold. However, I own two of the bloody things in Bangkok and recently received what could be called a "statement" from the Land Department, or maybe it is just to confirm who the owner is. Either way, it is nothing to do with the Condo management, except that the registered Juristic Person SHOULD have all of those details.

The document shows the assessed tax on each of my units as: 63.94 Baht.(yes, sixty three Baht!) It is not a demand for payment. I would not be too concerned about it just yet as it is all very likely to change! :cheers:
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Starting from Jan 1, the land and buildings tax replaces the house and land tax and the local development tax.
This also is not yet clear. The existing house and land tax is due by the end of February, but nowhere that I can find if this is going to be enforced up until the new system is in place. :?
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Thank you for the information. We will see what happens.

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As to be expected, this is clear as mud. I guess it is about the existing tax which is paid to the Tessabahn, but I am not sure to be sure!
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Property taxes to remain unchanged

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... -unchanged

The land and building median price set by the state will remain unchanged next year, saving many owners from having to pay higher tax for their property, the Treasury Department said.

The median price, which is used as a reference for the purchase and sale of land and buildings, was initially set to be revised and put into effect in 2020. However, the department decided to delay launching the new median until 2021.

Wilawan Veerakul, the deputy department chief, said the new median will have to be in compliance with the Asset Price Appraisal for National Interest Act only just enacted last month. For the act to be fully implemented, several subordinate regulations, including one governing the new median prices, will have to be passed.

However, since the department will not have the regulations ready by Jan 1, the new median price will have to be put off by a year, she added.

The department, meanwhile, said the price of land in some areas can go up by between 7% and 8%. :?
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Govt told to delay land tax

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... y-land-tax

Local authorites(sic) not prepared, says MP

The government is being urged to delay the implementation of a new land and buildings tax due to come into force on Wednesday to give local authorities and taxpayers more time to prepare.

Future Forward party-list MP Sirikanya Tansakun, who also chairs the House committee on economic development, said local officials are not ready for the new property tax regime.

She said even the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration, which is supposed to be ready for the new law, is not fully equipped to handle large numbers of property owners who wish to update their assets at district offices.


Ms Sirikanya said the government and opposition MPs discussed the issue and some agreed that the new land and building tax law should be put on hold by the means of an executive decree.

After the new year holiday, the Pheu Thai Party is likely to submit a motion to the House to discuss the proposal, she said.

It is reported that the new rules sent many land and property owners into a panic after they received letters from local administrative organisations and district offices informing them of their property type ahead of the enforcement of the new legislation.

She also criticised the government for failing to help local authorities prepare.

Under the 2020 budget bill which is being scrutinised in the House, local administrative bodies' incomes are estimated at 115 billion baht with 30-40 billion baht expected to come from the land and building tax.

"I think the enforcement of the law should be put on hold. But it may affect incomes of local organisations and their revenue may not meet the target. How will the government compensate them?" she said.

Fiscal Policy Office director Lawan Saengsanit insisted on Monday the new property tax regime will come into effect tomorrow as planned.

He admitted that some hiccups are likely because the law is new, but suggested some people might see their taxes go down.

Under the new law, tax is applied to four types of land -- residences, farmland, commercial areas and undeveloped land -- and rates vary depending on how the property is used.

It is also the first time that residential property is being taxed although a generous exemption threshold will apply.

Interior Minister Anupong Paojinda said on Monday the first payment is being delayed as the Finance Ministry and the Interior Ministry look into certain issues which will be announced later.

He insisted the law is designed to improve tax collection efficiency and stressed that people whose property is valued below 50 million baht need not worry.

"Those who have low incomes and few assets won't have to pay. Those who have money will have to, but there is a generous exemption."

He said local bodies will be sending letters to people informing them of the new tax rates throughout March.

According to the new tax structure, land and buildings used for residential purposes with appraisal prices of up to 50 million baht are tax-exempt, those valued at 50-75 million baht are taxed at 0.03%, properties worth 75-100 million baht are taxed at 0.05%, and those appraised at more than 100 million baht at 0.1%.

If owners have more than one house, subsequent residences up to 50 million baht in value are subject to a 0.02% tax, and the same rate as principal homes is applied to residences worth more than that.
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Registered mail turned up today all in Thai with a letter attached to a couple of schedules from the Tessabahn seeking clarification of property details within 30 days. (if not responded to, details provided by Tessabahn will be deemed correct!) This same info has apparently been posted on the Tessabahn website and 1st floor of Tessabahn building. Schedule and property description/for land use isn't clear so looks like a call to the Tessabahn Monday by the other half for some clarity, hopefully!!
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Looks like our house has been listed as having both a commercial and residential purpose. Other half spoke to the Tessabahn to have it amended for residential only.
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I doubt that the following makes it any clearer, but it will give those affected time to find a loop hole! :twisted:
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This year the new land and building tax law takes effect with the new tax regime hardly affecting ordinary people who do not own second homes. It rather effects super rich people who have owned land in amounts so vast that they would have to spend a good part of their life if they wanted to walk around every plot of their land.

Under the new property tax, local administration organisations are in charge of collecting taxes in their localities and spending the tax money on local development.

The government hopes that the new property tax will reduce income disparity, given that Thailand has been ranked for many years as one of the world's most unequal countries.

Under the new tax regime, landlords and homeowners will be taxed based on appraised values, rather than the income they generate. It is a product of a proposal initiated and pushed by the Finance Ministry over the past few decades. It is the country's first major tax introduction since the adoption of Value Added Tax in 1992.

The new property tax replaces the house and land tax and the local development tax. The two old tax regimes were seen as having loopholes which paved the way for unfair and non-transparent tax assessments.

However, the now-dissolved National Legislative Assembly (NLA), appointed by the now-defunct National Council for Peace and Order, which passed the new property tax law, watered down the rates recommended by the Finance Ministry and instead set more lenient applicable rates for the new tax regime that will mainly affect the rich (many of whom have served in parliament).

In effect, this law will make the rich pay less than what they should do if the ministry's proposed rates were adopted. For example, the NLA increased the appraisal value ceiling set on residential land and buildings, defined as principal homes, eligible for tax exemption to 50 million baht from the proposed ceiling of 20 million baht.

That means 99.96% of principal homeowners will enjoy such tax exemption because there are only about 10,000 people who own homes with an appraised value of more than 50 million baht. However, the tax burden will fall on those who own second and subsequent homes.

Additionally, the law also applies other tax rates lower than those proposed by the ministry. It also provides exemption for farmland over the first three years and enables owners of land for other uses to gradually phase in the increase each year. This means during the initial phase of the application of this law there will not be a big difference in the amount of tax revenue collected.

Tax rates levied on land and buildings used for commercial and industrial purposes are close to the previous rates stipulated by the old house and land tax. For vacant land, a tax rate of 0.3% is applied and will increase by 0.3% every three years up to a cap of 3%.

For the first year, the actual payment for the new land and building taxes has been delayed to August 2020 from April because relevant organic laws have not been completed yet. From next year onwards, landlords and homeowners will start paying tax bills every April.

In the long term, revenue collected from the land and building tax will likely increase in accordance with economic conditions given that property appraisal values are normally adjusted every year. According to an assessment by the Fiscal Policy Office which drafted this law, the state will earn a collective revenue of about 40 billion baht during the first two years of the application of the law.

The drafters of the law also expected that the new tax regime would prompt taxpayers to scrutinise spending by their local administration organisations, which collect and use the taxes.

This new tax regime in this way promotes participation of local people in the development of their localities. It is good for the promotion of democracy. It is also vital for the development of a stable economy which is less vulnerable to fluctuations in the global economy.

Given that this new tax regime will force some, especially the rich, to pay more taxes, local administration organisations must ensure that their spending of revenue collected from the new property tax is efficient and transparent.

Taxpayers need to be convinced that their money will be spent efficiently and transparently. If they feel that their taxes would be part of the state's wasteful spending, they would try to evade taxes.

Wichit Chantanusornsiri is a senior economics reporter, Bangkok Post.
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Looks like they're catching up with everyone - the junta wants its covid benefit money back. Plus they need to pay for the army's new G-five.

Last week mrs B got a letter from the OrPorDor asking for confirmation of land sizes on chanotes. One was wrong so she took it in for correction yesterday and discovered that they will be taxing all land that doesn't have a residence on it and isn't registered as a farm.

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That's why all the coconut and banana plantations started popping up last year. Start planting.
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Also, even land with residences on it will be taxed except for primary home. Holiday homes, houses for rent, etc. will be taxed.
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