England World Cup debrief

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England World Cup debrief

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So. we're out of the world cup.

Surprise surprise.

Well, I'm not.

For me, Sven has been a disaster from start to finsih. We all know we have the players that could have gone a lot further in the world cup, and the European championships 2 years ago.

And the moment I saw Sven's squad for the world cup I just knew we'd get about as far as we did. As soon as we came up against some reasonable opposition if stuck with his traditional line up we'd struggle. Well, it was worse than his original line up as Owen went home, one of the players who could be a match winner.

I thought Swedes were supposed to be methodical, logical people. I can't understand the logic of when you have the chance to pick 5 forwards, you don't, you pick 4, 2 of which were very serious injury doubts, 1 who had never kicked a football in anger at Premiership level and 1 lanky so-and-so who shows good touches at times but is not a world-cup player against decent opposition.

Bearing in mind the risk of picking both Owen and Rooney, how could he not pick the highest English goalscorer in the premiership, Darren Bent, or still one of the best prospects in English football who has experience, Defoe? Beyond me I'm afraid.

Given all of that, the line-ups he did pick were pretty predictable. There were some positives, yes. Owen Hargreaves did well and so did Lennon when he was sparingly used.

But he didn't change things when he should have done. Lampard was obviously struggling big time. Why on earth did he keep Lampard on the pitch for every minute of every game? The guy couldn't hit the proverbial barn door. For goodness sake Sven, the Portugal game was crying out for him to come off and Lennon put on a lot earlier. And it was also obvious Rooney was getting more and more frustrated. A timebomb waiting to go off. That's when a manager worth his salt earns his money. We should have played 2 up front, he should have replaced Lampard. The only reason Lennon came on against Portugal was because Beckham got injured.

And how, in the heat of battle, the guy can just sit on that bench and do, demonstrate and vociferrate diddly is beyond me. He doesn't have the Scolari personality, we all know that. But for goodness sake how can he just sit there, with a couple of arm gestures, when we in the mire out there.

Hindsight is wonderful I know, but couldn't anyone else really see this coming deep down?

What worries me even more is we now have Steve "Mr Personality" McLaren taking over. We probably shouldn't pre-judge, but I'm certainly not filled with any confidence.

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Daft to appoint a successor from a management team that failed and yes Sven got it all wrong its too big an ask of a young player with temperament problems to play up front on his own. Yes Lampard and Gerard looked like its been too long a season and Sven took too few forwards. We took a shot stopper who couldn't stop shots, where are the plusses? Rooney is young Gerard is young enough so is Hargreaves, Cole remains immaculate, Lennon looked pacey and Carrick looked great. Rio is the best in the world..............and I hate Man U so its painful saying it.
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Agreed. May I refer you to http://www.huahinafterdark.com/forum/vi ... 0244#20244 posted just after McLaren's appointment, and http://www.huahinafterdark.com/forum/vi ... 0451#20451 which I posted just after the squad was announced.
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DaveT wrote:Lampard was obviously struggling big time. Why on earth did he keep Lampard on the pitch for every minute of every game? The guy couldn't hit the proverbial barn door.
Maybe I mis-read the stats. but didn't Frank complete a high % of his passes & hit the target with most attempts. Just didn't go in for him. Beckham on the otter hand scored one goal & contributed little else, he should have been sacrificed. Theo Walcotts inclusion in the squad, what was that all about then. :shock:
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I will never ever understand how someone who is knowledgeable about football can consider David Beckham a Great Player.

He's good... nothing more.
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It's funny how English people tend to blame the manager when things go wrong and praise the players when things go well. In Finland we most often blame the players. This has happened particularly often in ice-hockey where we always seem to get beaten by Swedes or Canucks in the quarter-, semifinals or final. I can not remember when the maganer would have had to take the blame. If the players are not up to it, they are not.
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Harry wrote:
DaveT wrote:Lampard was obviously struggling big time. Why on earth did he keep Lampard on the pitch for every minute of every game? The guy couldn't hit the proverbial barn door.
Maybe I mis-read the stats. but didn't Frank complete a high % of his passes & hit the target with most attempts. Just didn't go in for him. Beckham on the otter hand scored one goal & contributed little else, he should have been sacrificed. Theo Walcotts inclusion in the squad, what was that all about then. :shock:

I believe stats are one thing, what I saw with my eyes is another. Lampard may have had good stats because he made loads of 3 yard passes square and loads of 15 yard passes back to the back four. His shooting was awful - he missed 3 or 4 golden chances, blazing over the bar and wide when in excellent positions. He just wasn't at the races, which is strange as he is so good for Chelsea.
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Bamboo Grove wrote:I can not remember when the maganer would have had to take the blame. If the players are not up to it, they are not.
The Managerial role is key to the Team's success or defeat. It is not up to the players to decide how they will play.

The Manager picks the Players, decides who will play where, and decided the way they will play and who they will pass to.
Maybe it doesn't look like it but Football is a very structured sport, Tactical awareness is as important as technical skills (look at the italians).

The Manager's role is also to motivate his players, change the way they play during the game if need be, make replacements...

I'd say that's a pretty big responsibility.... :cheers:
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NicFrenchy wrote:I will never ever understand how someone who is knowledgeable about football can consider David Beckham a Great Player.

He's good... nothing more.
I'd have said mediocre at best.
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Nah... I have to admit the lad has quite an exceptional right foot when it comes to free kicks, corner kicks or crosses.
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^ Nah, his right foot delivered just one goal in 4 WC games for us. The rest of the time he was either out of the game or his passes went astray. :| Check his stats' if you don't believe me.
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Harry wrote:
Maybe I mis-read the stats. but didn't Frank complete a high % of his passes & hit the target with most attempts. Just didn't go in for him. Beckham on the otter hand scored one goal & contributed little else, he should have been sacrificed. Theo Walcotts inclusion in the squad, what was that all about then.
Get real Harry, I assume you watched the games. I was beginning to believe that Lampardi had been paid to throw the games. If he had performed as he does with Chelsea his shots would have been the difference to me writing on this thread, and writing about England's chances in the semi-final tomorrow.

I've never seen a player with so much natural ability mis-hit so many great balls at such vital times with such consistency. Forget Rooney, forget the cheats - if Lampardi had done what he was being paid to do, England would still be in the competition.

Statistics will tell you what you want them to tell you. Get back in touch with reality. I think you've been watching too much Sky Sports.
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^ :P

Yeah, I watched the games, well those portions of the games that Thai TV deemed suitable to be broadcast. :o Lamps sure did have enough chances to slot one or two goals away, much of his stuff was on target but failed to be decent enough to beat the opposing goalie. I reckon part of the problem was the inbalance of the team, goodness only knows wht so many midfield players were selected, Jeanus(sp) for one.

Statistics can't be argued with in this case. If a player attempts a pass & it fails to find it's target, then it's a failed pass. Beckham made too many of those, as did the team. :(
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Great game plans, too.
Kick it up in the air downfield and hope Rooney can outrun somebody.
Wow.
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johnnyk wrote:Great game plans, too.
Kick it up in the air downfield and hope Rooney can outrun somebody.
Wow.
Couldn't agree more. That's why Rooney got so frustrated, it's not his game and not his strength. Any team should always play to it's strength - if we were going to hoof it up front, Crouch should have been on.

There were so many occasions where we simply gave possession away. Either a rushed hoof up to Rooney as you say, but more often the guy with the ball simply had no passing option. They didn't run for each other, be available for a pass or show any creativity whatsoever.

We should have played 4-4-2 irrelevant of what personnel were out there. Good case for playing Gerrard up front with Rooney, or even Lennon, and passed it up there instead of hoofing it.

The one player I wish could keep fit for more than 1 week is Kieron Dyer. As an Ipswich fan I've seen him mature over the years. As a 17/18 year old at Ipswich he was just awesome. Always available, really quick and scored his fair share of goals. Unfortunately, like so many stars in the making that come from the Ipswich Academy, as soon as they leave and get ideas of grandeur they go off track. Dyer, Bramble, Richard Wright - I just hope Darren Bent doesn't go the same way.

That's off subject a little, but until we get a couple of players in the England team who are prepared to play their normal game (and are allowed to) we're gonna struggle against the better organised teams that have ability. Just look how good ALL the Italian, German, Portuguese, Brazilian, Argentinian, French, etc. players look so comfortable on the ball. They can all control, pass and move. Most of our players can't.

Joe Cole is one who can, but we stick him on the left wing.

I would have loved to see Mourinho be England coach. He'd sort them out, as Scolari would have done if the FA hadn't completed bungled his possible appointment.
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