Airport Body Scanners

[Khundon1975]

I bet, when push comes to shove, those that complain the most about these scanners and other security measures at airports, will submit to them. Then post that they had no choice.

Yes you do, get scanned or walk home.

[pharvey]

End of the day Don - rules are rules (well, unless the bl**dy PC brigade get involved) and if you want to travel, that's what needs to be done. Plain and ****ing simple.

[STEVE G]

With reference to nail clippers, I don't know if this is true but it's a good story anyway:





As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan, I witnessed the following:

When we were on our way back from Afghanistan, we flew out of Baghram Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body scanners (no groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine yards.

Our first stop was Shannon, Ireland to refuel. After that, we had to stop at Indianapolis, Indiana to drop off about 100 folks from the Indiana National Guard. That’s where the stupid started.

First, everyone was forced to get off the plane–even though the plane wasn’t refueling again. All 330 people got off that plane, rather than let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were filed from the plane to a holding area. No vending machines, no means of escape. Only a male/female latrine.

It’s probably important to mention that we were ALL carrying weapons. Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some, like me, were also carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B machine guns. Of course, the weapons weren’t loaded. And we had been cleared of all ammo well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then AGAIN at customs.

The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered making us unload all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have it reinspected. Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected piece by piece by U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing dogs give it a one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this holding area, the TSA decided not to reinspect our Cargo–just to inspect us again: Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already been inspected, reinspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for 2 hours. Ok, whatever. So we lined up to go through security AGAIN.

This is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were carrying actual assault rifles, and some of us were also carrying pistols.

So we’re in line, going through one at a time. One of our Soldiers had his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of ridiculous, but it gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that they’re going to confiscate his nail clippers. The conversation went something like this:

TSA Guy: You can’t take those on the plane.

Soldier: What? I’ve had them since we left country.

TSA Guy: You’re not suppose to have them.

Soldier: Why?

TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon.

Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a weapon. And I’m allowed to take it on.

TSA Guy: Yeah but you can’t use it to take over the plane. You don’t have bullets.

Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail clippers?

TSA Guy: [awkward silence]

Me: Dude, just give him your damn nail clippers so we can get the f**k out of here. I’ll buy you a new set.

Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it through security]

This might be a good time to remind everyone that approximately 233 people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles, pistols, and machine guns–but nothing that could have been used as a weapon.

[pharvey]

Steve - personally I wouldn't bl**dy doubt it!!

People jump up and down and scream about ''invasive'' scanning or searching, yet forget that either through the idiots making the legislation or of those employing it, you're pretty much fecked anyway!!

Cést la vie - I hear your odds are increased sat at the rear of the plane!!

[STEVE G]

Cést la vie - I hear your odds are increased sat at the rear of the plane!!

Certainly I've never heard of a case of an aircraft reversing into mountain!

[MrPlum]

End of the day Don - rules are rules (well, unless the bl**dy PC brigade get involved) and if you want to travel, that's what needs to be done. Plain and ****ing simple.

Are you sure? I think Ron Paul articulates it well enough...



"The duty of the government is to protect our rights,"

How many unidentified illegal hordes have slipped over the porous American borders? 12 million? How many are slipping through now? Through ports, rail, road. What does that say about the seriousness with which 'National Security' is being taken? Even now the crooks in Congress are withdrawing the National Guard from Arizona's borders. Why? Because the election is over and they don't need to posture any more. They can go back to forcing the State to keep them wide open.

These machines aren't protecting anyone. There has only been ONE incident, involving another country, in 2009. Terrorists can come IN through the airports of OTHER countries, who don't have these machines. The whole thing is a farce and people are being made to feel like criminals.

You can say 'rules are rules'. But they don't apply to those who made them. Watch how quickly the rules change, when it does. It's not a security issue. It's a CONTROL issue. 'Plain and ****ing simple'.

'PC brigade'? How so? Not wishing to suffer any ill health from a radiating device, has nothing to do with being PC. Nor does not wishing to have one's grandma, wife or kids' naked bodies photographed or fondled by some brain dead TSA goon stranger.

[Whaler]

My son certainly given us a few scares, first time he left a pair of scissors in his school pencil case but the best one was a water pistol, fortunately we were at Abu Dhabi airport and they just had a good laugh and waved us on.

My wife had the letter opener confiscated from her Swiss card but the tweezers and small scissors were ok in KL airport and she hates having to take her shoes off and walk on crappy floors, Paris even made us do it despite we were in transit and already been through 2 other airports

I always laugh how 2 bottles of Moet in a sealed bag are safe from duty free but not a bottle of coke from the same shop

[caller]

or allowing attacks to happen (Pearl Harbour)

For what its worth, I'm surprised at you Mr.P. This is more CT moronic bullshit. And I know you're not!

[BaaBaa.]

I got a gold medal around my neck for having the biggest penis of the day!

[MrPlum]

or allowing attacks to happen (Pearl Harbour)

For what its worth, I'm surprised at you Mr.P. This is more CT moronic bullshit. And I know you're not!

To slow the heaving of your outraged bosom, I withdraw the 'Pearl Harbour' comment.

Here's more on the point about control... from Paul Roberts... http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=22047

'It doesn’t take a bureaucrat long to create an empire. John Pistole, the FBI agent who took over the Transportation Security Administration on July 1 told USA Today 16 days later that protecting trains and subways from terrorist attacks will be as high a priority for him as air travel.

It is difficult to imagine New Yorkers being porno-screened and sexually groped on crowed subway platforms or showing up an hour or two in advance for clearance for a 15 minute subway ride, but once bureaucrats get the bit in their teeth they take absurdity to its logical conclusion. Buses will be next, although it is even more difficult to imagine open air bus stops turned into security zones with screeners and gropers inspecting passengers before they board.

Will taxi passengers be next? In those Muslim lands whose citizens the US government has been slaughtering for years, favorite weapons for retaliating against the Americans are car and truck bombs. How long before Pistole announces that the TSA Gestapo is setting up roadblocks on city streets, highways and interstates to check cars for bombs? That 15 minute trip to the grocery store then becomes an all day affair.

Indeed, it has already begun. Last September agents from Homeland Security, TSA, and the US Department of Transportation, assisted by the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office, conducted a counter-terrorism operation on busy Interstate 20 just west of Atlanta, Georgia. Designated VIPER (Visible Inter-mobile Prevention and Response), the operation required all trucks to stop to be screened for bombs. Federal agents used dogs, screening devices, and a large drive-through bomb detection machine. Imagine what the delays did to delivery schedules and truckers’ bottom lines.

There are also news reports of federal trucks equipped with backscatter X-ray devices that secretly scan cars and pedestrians.

With such expensive counter-terrorism activities, both in terms of the hard-pressed taxpayers’ money and civil liberties, one would think that bombs were going off all over America. But, of course, they aren’t. There has not been a successful terrorist act since 9/11, and thousands of independent experts doubt the government’s explanation of that event.

Subsequent domestic terrorist events have turned out to be FBI sting operations in which FBI agents organize not-so-bright disaffected members of society and lead them into displaying interest in participating in a terrorist act. Once the FBI agent, pretending to be a terrorist, succeeds in prompting all the right words to be said and captured on his hidden recorder, the “terrorists” are arrested and the “plot” exposed.

The very fact that the FBI has to orchestrate fake terrorism proves the absence of real terrorists.

If Americans were more thoughtful and less gullible, they might wonder why all the emphasis on transportation when there are so many soft targets. Shopping centers, for example. If there were enough terrorists in America to justify the existence of Homeland Security, bombs would be going off round the clock in shopping malls in every state. The effect would be far more terrifying than blowing up an airliner.

Indeed, if terrorists want to attack air travelers, they never need to board an airplane.

All they need to do is to join the throngs of passengers waiting to go through the TSA scanners and set off their bombs. The TSA has conveniently assembled the targets.

The final proof that there are no terrorists is that not a single neoconservative or government official responsible for the Bush regime’s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Obama regime’s slaughters of Pakistanis, Yemenis, and Somalians has been assassinated. None of these Americans who are responsible for lies, deceptions, and invasions that have destroyed the lives of countless numbers of Muslims have any security protection. If Muslims were capable of pulling off 9/11, they are certainly capable of assassinating Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Libby, Condi Rice, Kristol, Bolton, Goldberg, and scores of others during the same hour of the same day.

I am not advocating that terrorists assassinate anyone. I am just making the point that if the US was as overrun with terrorists as empire-building bureaucrats pretend, we would definitely be experiencing dramatic terrorist acts. The argument is not believable that a government that was incapable of preventing 9/11 is so all-knowing that it can prevent assassination of unprotected neocons and shopping malls from being bombed.

If Al Qaeda was anything like the organization that the US government claims, it would not be focused on trivial targets such as passenger airliners. The organization, if it exists, would be focused on its real enemies. Try to imagine the propaganda value of terrorists wiping out the neoconservatives in one fell swoop, followed by an announcement that every member of the federal government down to the lowest GS, every member of the House and Senate, and every governor was next in line to be bumped off.

This would be real terrorism instead of the make-belief stuff associated with shoe bombs that don’t work, underwear bombs that independent experts say could not work, and bottled water and shampoo bombs that experts say cannot possibly be put together in airliner lavatories.

Think about it. Would a terror organization capable of outwitting all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of US allies including Israel’s Mossad, the National Security Council, NORAD, air traffic control, the Pentagon, and airport security four times in one hour put its unrivaled prestige at risk with improbable shoe bombs, shampoo bombs, and underwear bombs?

After success in destroying the World Trade Center and blowing up part of the Pentagon, it is an extraordinary comedown to go after a mere airliner. Would a person who gains fame by knocking out the world heavyweight boxing champion make himself a laughing stock by taking lunch money from school boys?

TSA is a far greater threat to Americans than are terrorists. Pistole has given the finger to US senators and representatives, state legislators, and the traveling public who have expressed their views that virtual strip searches and sexual molestation are too high a price to pay for “security.” Indeed, the TSA with its Gestapo attitude and methods, is succeeding in making Americans more terrified of the TSA than they are of terrorists.

Make up your own mind. What terrifies you the most. Terrorists, who in all likelihood you will never encounter in your lifetime, or the TSA that you will encounter every time you fly and soon, according to Pistole, every time you take a train, a subway, or drive in a car or truck?

Before making up your mind, consider this report from antiwar.com on November 19: “TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the full body scanners and the enhanced pat down procedures will be taken into custody. Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists . . . One sheriff’s office said they were already preparing to handle a large number of detainees and plan to treat them as terror suspects.”

Who is cowing Americans into submission, terrorists or the TSA Gestapo?'

edited to remove 'guff' and insert 'stuff'.

[hhfarang]

MrPlum wrote:

There has only been ONE incident, involving another country, in 2009.

So that must mean:

1. The heightened security regulations imposed on air travel (especially in the U.S.A.) are working.

or...

2. Most terrorists have seen the error of their ways and now love the U.S. and no longer have any wish to harm us.

Which is it Plum?

[MrPlum]

So that must mean:

1. The heightened security regulations imposed on air travel (especially in the U.S.A.) are working.

or...

2. Most terrorists have seen the error of their ways and now love the U.S. and no longer have any wish to harm us.

You forgot the third option. There wasn't a threat in the first place. Which is why regular FBI 'sting' operations are needed to gin up the 'terrorist' threat, so that paranoid citizens see terrorists under every bed.

More people die taking ONE aspirin than are killed by acts of 'terror' in the U.S. Thankfully, as we speak, President O'bomber is creating ASS... The 'Aspirin Security Service', complete with unmarked black helicopters and complete freedom to search and humiliate and incarcerate anyone carrying Tylenol.

Soon I hope to be able to inform you that 'Most doctors and pharmacists have seen the error of their ways and now love the U.S. and no longer have any wish to harm us.'

Pathetic incidents such as the 'shoe' bomber, the 'underpants' bomber, the 'baby milk' bomber. These farces are painful to watch. No intelligent terrorist would entertain such ideas.

Why are you swallowing this nonsense? Really?

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[sandman67]

consider this my HHAD chums:

whilst they body search you to death looking for nail clippers and shit

you get on that plane...and about 3 hrs in they issuse you your choice of microwaved dog food in cattle class complete with a nice "blunt" plastic fork and spoon and knife.

Take the fork or spoon, stick it in the arm rest, snap it off at 45 degrees at its head.....or just quietly sharpen the blade of the plastic knife on that convinient metal arm of your chair y like.

what you now have is a weapon that will open up a cabin crews neck just as good as a box knife.... (for you 9/11 freaks). And as a terrorist what you need to contol that plane is claret...red and runny......

So them insisiting on taking your nail clippers and bottles of unsecified liquid acheives what?????

Refuse Resist my chums, or be a victim to the shite they sell..its begun in the UK now thank fuck....nail cillpers dont down a plane....complex co-op mix and a barometric detonator do.

what Im trying to do HHADers is encorage you to write in and say "F*ck You Idiots!".....because none of this shite stops a terrorist....it just makes for more money for the "security" business.

If I wnated to blow a plane up Id get a job as a baggage handler......look into it my HHAD mates....even Heathrow is as open as a floodgate. The shoe and pants bombers are just media hype....be afraid of the unchecked wankers who load the bags.

Refuse....Resist.... Y basta.... ENOUGH!!!!!!!

[hhfarang]

You forgot the third option. There wasn't a threat in the first place. Which is why regular FBI 'sting' operations are needed to gin up the 'terrorist' threat, so that paranoid citizens see terrorists under every bed.

So again, MrPlum, are you saying that the list I posted; http://www.huahinafterdark.com/forum/vi ... 89#p192689 were not real... never happened... or were "ginned up" by the FBI?

You evaded, rather than answered, the original question...