Political un-rest and rally

[lomuamart]

It's a siege. The reds will pull up the drawbridge and stock the moat with crocodiles.
Seriously though, I wouldn't want to be living legally in that area if the above happens either, Nereus.

[STEVE G]

I can't see it acheiving anything as the reds have too many supporters amongst the security forces.

[PeteC]

Apart from inconveniencing another group of legal residents, just what the hell will this achieve?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews ... chaprasong

CRES to cut power, water at Ratchaprasong

The way Bangkok is wired Nereus, expect to wake up right after midnight as your aircon and other power goes out way out where you are. I also heard that Din Daeng is on the same circuit, and perhaps Samut Prakhan. Pete

[Nereus]

Here is a little gem that says a lot:

(With apologies to Andy for pinching his post.)

Culture of evasion
A visiting relative asked me to define Thailand's political malaise in a single sentence, and I eventually concluded that it was a lack of accountability that is at the heart of our misfiring democracy. Call it the ''Face Saving Syndrome'' if you will, but it seems clear to me that many of the unresolvable issues stem from a failure of those directly involved to face the music and take responsibility, or at least show some humility.
Equally there is no moral or political will to bring them to justice. Whether you're organising a coup, or guilty of corruption, or wrecking tourism through airport blockades, or trashing a summit, or presenting blatantly false accusations to parliament or threatening the PM's life, or inciting a revolt from abroad, or even neglecting safety standards in your nightclub, no one here is held accountable in a meaningful and swift manner.
You don't even get a meek apology or humble acknowledgement of wrong doing. Instead we have a culture of evasion, most seem to believe you should worm your way out through influence or contempt for the law, and the majority of the public that judge them evidently have no problem with that.

ANDY

[buksida]

This report shows how many of the old communists from the 70s are coming out of the woodwork to support the reds:

http://atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

[sargeant]

It is thus ironic that more former communists are currently on side with the royalist PAD than the supposedly pro-poor UDD,

same article
http://atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

[buksida]

If you want to play the selective quoting game sarge here are a few from the same article:

So, too, is the fact that while the UDD has called with revolutionary zeal for a new political order, the Thaksin-aligned Puea Thai party that will contest the next elections is packed with old-style and corruption-tainted patronage politicians.

"Many of them are now absolutely convinced that Thaksin was the best leader in Thai history, that he was a kind and generous man who holds the solution to all their problems. They don't need a program - they just need a new Thai state with Thaksin in charge. It has become very emotional - as it was designed to be,"

The red shirts consist of many passive supporters, many active ones and, now, a hand-picked core of "professional revolutionaries" chosen for their loyalty and street smarts, according to Therdpoum. Behind them are many "deep secrets and hidden messages" that are revealed to only a privileged few in the movement, while an even smaller number know the entire strategy, he claimed.

"Old communists know that when it comes to revolution, ignorance is much more powerful than knowledge,"

Exactamundo, give em a few baht and feed em a bunch of propaganda and you've got yourself a red mob ... then the real ignorance shows when they start being referred to as a 'majority'.

[caller]

Haven't had a chance to catch up on this, but why has Abhisit withdrawn the offer of elections in November?

[cozza]

why has Abhisit withdrawn the offer of elections in November?

IMO Because the UDD are unwilling to negotiate basically, demanding Suthep being charged and locked up is asking for the impossible and IMO showing they are indeed unable and unwilling to negotiate.

I am not for either side as a foreigner, but was hoping this negotiation would come through just so it all would finish.

[charlesh]

This report shows how many of the old communists from the 70s are coming out of the woodwork to support the reds:

http://atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

Does not compute . Hardly see why a current (d)UDD leader would tell Barnes his/her current tactics. Hardly Maoist philosophy nor Lao Tzu.
I suspect the colour has more to do with it rather than the rhetoric ha, ha!!

[sargeant]

If you want to play the selective quoting game sarge here are a few from the same article:

This report shows how many of the old communists from the 70s are coming out of the woodwork to support the reds:

http://atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

no buksi YOUR article and you started it with a very specific biased statement
i just pointed out the very article you posted does not compute with your statement and that you are biased
the same way you keep pointing at me

i actually read it the same way charles h does

Does not compute . Hardly see why a current (d)UDD leader would tell Barnes his/her current tactics. Hardly Maoist philosophy nor Lao Tzu.
I suspect the colour has more to do with it rather than the rhetoric ha, ha!!

"Old communists know that when it comes to revolution, ignorance is much more powerful than knowledge," Therdpoum said.

hardly going to tell a journalist all the secrets now is he

i will concede however i am baffled as to what the reds are holding out for they should have agreed and gone home with a nov election in the bag by now

[buksida]

and that you are biased

How someone that is clearly as red as a tomato can accuse me of being biased is beyond a joke. I have clearly stated on many occasions that I do not see either side as being fit to govern, you on the other hand have not which emphasises your lopsidedness in the whole affair.

I am not for either side as a foreigner, but was hoping this negotiation would come through just so it all would finish.

Now that is a statement I wholeheartedly agree with.

[sargeant]

Your statement Buksi not mine yours

This report shows how many of the old communists from the 70s are coming out of the woodwork to support the reds:

had it read
This report shows how many of the old communists from the 70s are coming out of the woodwork

You would have got away with it

Just to let you know being biased does not mean you have to be for anything

you can be biased against as well which if the cap fits

i am biased against dictatorships adolf, mussolini, old joe stalin, ghaddafi, mao,saddam, kim jong il get my drift

[cozza]

I think if it had "to support PAD" you would have gotten away with it also.

Sorry Sarge, but I have to agree, reading your posts seems as though you are in support of the Reds.

I mean thats how I personally took it in our posts/convo's on HHAD about this.

[buksida]

i am biased against dictatorships adolf, mussolini, old joe stalin, ghaddafi, mao,saddam, kim jong il get my drift

To be truly fair, balanced and unbiased you should have included Thaksin in that list.