Vaccines - Covid 19

[pharvey]

Depending upon how the curve goes and how the re-entry restrictions evolve, the thought process may start for many to bite the financial bullet and take that trip home, get the vaccine and spend time with friends and family, then come back.

Let's see what develops over the next 3-6 months.

The problem with that is that by then you may be required to have had the vaccine before you can travel. Catch 22...

To my knowledge, there's no proof that once you are vaccinated you would/could not be a carrier of Covid-19 (whichever strain). Why then, would having the vaccine enable you to travel before those who haven't had the vaccine?

[dtaai-maai]

You're probably right; it wasn't a statement of fact, just a passing thought.

[pharvey]

You're probably right; it wasn't a statement of fact, just a passing thought.

Wasn't disagreeing DM, I'm sure we'll end up with "vaccination passports" not only for travel, but also for the likes of pubs. It's just my opinion that whether or not you have been vaccinated, you'll still be a potential "carrier" - therefore still a risk of spreading Covid.

[Dannie Boy]

I’ve seen a number of reports coming out of the UK suggesting that once vaccinated, it significantly reduces the risk of being able to spread the virus to others


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[europtimiste]

Vaccination passport=a star on your cloth, red or green or blue...or maybe a tattoo on your arm. Back 80 years ago.

[pharvey]

I’ve seen a number of reports coming out of the UK suggesting that once vaccinated, it significantly reduces the risk of being able to spread the virus to others
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Very much hope it's the case, as it would certainly go a long way to allowing travel et al. Haven't seen anything myself on this though.

As a thought - how could/would they prove this?

[Dannie Boy]

I’ve seen a number of reports coming out of the UK suggesting that once vaccinated, it significantly reduces the risk of being able to spread the virus to others
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Very much hope it's the case, as it would certainly go a long way to allowing travel et al. Haven't seen anything myself on this though.

As a thought - how could/would they prove this?

I’m fairly certain that I saw it on one of the daily BBC news bulletins - I’ll have to search for it.

EDIT

I’ve found one, but I’m sure there are more.

A single dose of the COVID-19 vaccine made by drug company Pfizer PFE, -0.98% and its partner BioNTech BNTX, -2.94% reduces infections and lowers the risk of transmission, according to a new study.

A study by the Cambridge University Hospitals National Health Service Foundation Trust and the University of Cambridge looked at healthcare workers in January, where similar numbers of both vaccinated and unvaccinated staff were screened.

It found that 26 out of 3,252, or 0.8%, tests from unvaccinated healthcare workers were positive. This compared with 13 out of 3,535, or 0.37%, tests from healthcare workers less than 12 days post-vaccination, and four out of 1,989, or 0.2%, tests from healthcare workers at 12 days or more post-vaccination.

“This is great news — the Pfizer vaccine not only provides protection against becoming ill from SARS-CoV-2 but also helps prevent infection, reducing the potential for the virus to be passed on to others,” said Dr. Mike Weekes, an infectious-diseases specialist, who led the study.

This suggests a fourfold decrease in the risk of asymptomatic COVID-19 infection among healthcare workers who have been vaccinated for more than 12 days, said the researchers, with the level of infection halved for those vaccinated less than 12 days. The study hasn’t been peer reviewed.

The Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine is administered in two doses. In the U.S., the interval between doses is three weeks, while in the U.K. the interval is up to 12 weeks.

A growing body of evidence shows how effective the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine has been in the U.K. and Israel, two of the countries in the lead in mass vaccination.

[pharvey]

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[HHTel]

In the meantime:

However, there is no sign that a significant number of people will be vaccinated before the middle of this year. If the government wants to fulfil its plan to inoculate 33 million people, it will have to deliver 313,000 jabs daily between June and December. Also, inoculating half of the population will require about 66 million doses as each person needs two jabs.

It's expected that a million will be vaccinated by end of May with mass vaccinations starting in June

And the UK has already passed 20 million vaccinations, 770,000 of those is for the second dose.

[handdrummer]

Angela Merkel said, she won't have the vaccine as she's too old. I thought the too old's were near the front of the line? I guess I won't be inviting her over for supper.

[dtaai-maai]

Angela Merkel said, she won't have the vaccine as she's too old.

This sounded a bit odd to me, but it turns out it's partially true.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/a ... 21333.html

German chancellor Angela Merkel has said she will not have the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine because it is not recommended for her age group.

The German authorities have not approved the vaccine for people over 65 due to lack of data about its efficacy in older people.

Merkel is 66. Because of all this kerfuffle in Germany, the 1.4 million doses they've purchased are apparently going unused.

[Dannie Boy]

They should send them to Thailand

[pharvey]

Angela Merkel said, she won't have the vaccine as she's too old.

This sounded a bit odd to me, but it turns out it's partially true.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/a ... 21333.html

German chancellor Angela Merkel has said she will not have the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine because it is not recommended for her age group.

The German authorities have not approved the vaccine for people over 65 due to lack of data about its efficacy in older people.

Merkel is 66. Because of all this kerfuffle in Germany, the 1.4 million doses they've purchased are apparently going unused.

I'd heard Merkel and the "Miserables" had made an embarrassing u-turn on this. Can't find the link I was looking for, but the following infers the same: -

https://www.ft.com/content/d6f5aff4-987 ... a76766cf5c

[pharvey]

They should send them to Thailand

Half priced for westerners, double for Thais?

[Dannie Boy]

Angela Merkel said, she won't have the vaccine as she's too old.

This sounded a bit odd to me, but it turns out it's partially true.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/a ... 21333.html

German chancellor Angela Merkel has said she will not have the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine because it is not recommended for her age group.

The German authorities have not approved the vaccine for people over 65 due to lack of data about its efficacy in older people.

Merkel is 66. Because of all this kerfuffle in Germany, the 1.4 million doses they've purchased are apparently going unused.

I'd heard Merkel and the "Miserables" had made an embarrassing u-turn on this. Can't find the link I was looking for, but the following infers the same: -

https://www.ft.com/content/d6f5aff4-987 ... a76766cf5c

Certainly the French have - not sure about the Germans?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56242617