Dealing with dogs and irresponsible owners

[Siani]

[quote="margaretcarnes"]Siani - it's a misconception that Thais won't 'put down' dogs. They cull plenty on beaches etc in the middle of the night and usually by shooting.

Maybe you are right Mags, I was just going on what I have been told. I really do not know. I just found this..
( source BBC, so may not be correct!) Maybe just the Buddhists, not the Muslims.

Buddhists believe that is wrong to hurt or kill animals, because all beings are afraid of injury and death:

All living things fear being beaten with clubs.
All living things fear being put to death.
Putting oneself in the place of the other,
Let no one kill nor cause another to kill.


Dhammapada 129

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... mals.shtml

Also here is another article which says the Thai's do kill dogs, this article is relates to Samui not HH, but still Thailand.

http://www.k9magazinefree.com/k9_perspe ... 4p27.shtml


Certainly the dog situation is getting worse in Thailand, some parts of HH are very bad with this problem. The breeding is out of control, something should be done not only for the animal but the safety of the community.

Innumerable dogs and cats have to perish without any aid. Even small bites can be lethal for dogs here, since flies deposit their eggs in the wounds. The maggots eat their way deeper and deeper into the flesh of the animal and without help these animals have to die a lonely death.

I do not think poison is the answer though, terrible death. There must be a better solutuin. It is expensive to get electric fences, also it does not solve the long term ongoing dog problem. By installing these you are just pushing the problem onto your neighbour

[OscarMike]

To poison or shoot a dog causes uproar but pigeons or rats are normally acceptable.
The same anti mob are always out in force when a 'cute ' animal is harmed.
Dolphins, chimps and other primates are an example. What about say Marlin or squirrels - don't seem to get the same sympathy
I would like to add as a responsible dog owner myself who does not find it necessary to force my pets upon my neighbours I would not like to see unnecessary suffering.

Bang on.

The buddhism is just a bullshit excuse, why is it ok to batter a harmless tree snake to death but not put down a vicious, nasty, wild dog that is ten times more dangerous? F*&%ing hypocrites.

The Big Man likes dogs, which is why they are not killed here. They are vermin, simple as that. If an owner wont look after his dog then he doesn't deserve to keep it. If a dog comes on to my property and starts chewing it, it must face the consequences.

To those that said 'build a fence' - would you go to all of that expense to keep rats out or would you spend a couple of hundred baht on poison?

[Siani]

To poison or shoot a dog causes uproar but pigeons or rats are normally acceptable.
The same anti mob are always out in force when a 'cute ' animal is harmed.
Dolphins, chimps and other primates are an example. What about say Marlin or squirrels - don't seem to get the same sympathy
I would like to add as a responsible dog owner myself who does not find it necessary to force my pets upon my neighbours I would not like to see unnecessary suffering.

Bang on.

The buddhism is just a bullshit excuse, why is it ok to batter a harmless tree snake to death but not put down a vicious, nasty, wild dog that is ten times more dangerous? F*&%ing hypocrites.

The Big Man likes dogs, which is why they are not killed here. They are vermin, simple as that. If an owner wont look after his dog then he doesn't deserve to keep it. If a dog comes on to my property and starts chewing it, it must face the consequences.

To those that said 'build a fence' - would you go to all of that expense to keep rats out or would you spend a couple of hundred baht on poison?

I agree they should be culled, but in a humane way A programme that is going to work, long term. I do not think poison is the answer. I also do not think personally that these dogs look cute at all. Quite the opposite really. I do not really enjoy a snakes company, but would not poison it either Unless the Thai authorities take action, it will not work. Have you seen how these dogs breed? They are bonking day and night!! Also when all these dogs are clubbed or poisoned who will get rid of the bodies? It will be like the wild west with trigger happy,dog poisoners at large! Carcasses rotting in the Soi's, got know what this would bring about, health wise
Why cannot it be done properly?

[OscarMike]

Why cannot it be done properly?

Because nobody will do it.

Agree that poisoning is inhumane but shooting is noisy, messy and falangs cannot own firearms, and you will still have the body. Neutering is useless because the animals are still there.

Maybe I should get a crocodile.

[E-Dork]

Once a dog loses all the traits which make a dog so lovable to humans, for me, it ceases to become a dog and is now simply a wild animal - a dangerous one at that.

The dogs I killed (that were street dogs) were dirty, undermalnourished, flea ridden, tick ridden, snarling, smelly, horrible sights. Were these dogs in a happy state - fck NO.

The dogs I killed that had owners were snarling, vicious, noisy, dangerous if a kid put his hand through the gate beasts. The owners were in uproar when a few of their precious little 'yard' dogs were killed. Oh the pleasure I had at watching the seething Thai owners who had caused misery for many residents without concern for many a month.

[STEVE G]

To those that said 'build a fence' - would you go to all of that expense to keep rats out or would you spend a couple of hundred baht on poison?

A fence will be effective for many years after the poison. These stray dogs are territorial and everytime you free up some land by getting rid of the dogs, some more will soon move in.

[Takiap]

No-one says anything about the humble chicken.

Hey, leave chickens out of this argument......lol


Seriously, my chickens live a great life until time comes for them to go to chicken heaven. In fact, one could say my birds are living the life of royalty until it's time for the pot.

[crazy88]

Well personally I kill nothing that is not for eating or a danger to me. As for you driving over all the soi dogs in 88 Mark? I strongly suggest you stay away from the top end as it will not go down well. Ask the developer who built your house who lives in the houses opposite his and what reaction would you get if any of their dogs were run over or poisoned let alone if you carried on a couple of hundred yards and started wiping out the dogs that belong to the mayor or the dogs that herd the cattle. Considering you own a large property that is gated and walled in all round I fail to see how they bother you. I go up and down this soi several times a day and other than at the very bottom all the dogs I see are well fed and do not chase motorbikes. Most that do is because they have been kicked and hit since they were young. If you wish to take that truck and ram it into the little gang of twats who have been robbing houses in the area? be my guest and I will chip in for the fuel.

Best regards

Crazy 88

Steven Moore

A resident of soi 88 for 6 years and never had a problem with dogs, only with idiots.

[Spitfire]

OM, imo, just go with getting some of those sonic noise emitters and place them around the property in with the flora, being liberal with the number of them you use. See if that works in your place first before doing anything more final as if it does work then it would be the most palatable solution with a sprinkling of satisfaction knowing that no-one around there knows it's you orchestrating the disruption of the world of dogs in that area.

Dozer says he's got some and they appear to work, as he mentioned.

It would probably be the least confrontational/controversial way to solve the problem.

Maybe even ask that if anyone has them then to PM on where to buy them.

Being proactive on some of the other fronts/solutions mentioned could create unhelpful/unwelcome 'waves' for you and 'blow-back' could be experienced.

If you hide the emitters properly then no-one will bust you, just turn them up full whack.

[Takiap]

Well, there is clearly a difference of opinions here....lol. As far as I'm concerned, do whatever you want with them, although I must admit, I don't favor poison. Electric fencing, as for livestock, is not expensive at all. In fact, they sell the units at the "get everything" shop on the klong road.


Alternatively, get some building work done, but insist the builder uses Cambodian workers.


We have a wall and two big dogs, so strays tend to stay away. When one does decide to make a fool of itself, our gate is opened and our dogs explain to them that they're not welcome. I would explain myself but I don't speak dog language, so figured it's better left to our ambassador who happens to be a Rottweiler. So far, not injuries sustained because you'd be amazed at just how fast stray dogs can run when they have to.


As I said before in earlier posts regarding this subject, I came to Thailand a dog lover, but.................

I've come off my bike because of one, my wife has come off her bike because of one, and my one kid has been bitten by one. The next time, justice will be served. I simply cannot see why lives should be put at risk because of stray dogs, and it has absolutely nothing to do with religion. They eat the bloody things up north, and everywhere you go people are throwing rocks at them and etc.


As a last point, you'll also find the teams of construction site workers to blame. They arrive on a site along with a few dogs, which I think are for waste disposal purposes, but then when they leave, they also leave the dogs behind.


I won't say anymore at this point, given that we do need to be politically correct

[lindosfan1]

Poisoning and shooting does not work, you will get another pack of dogs move in. This is not just a problem in Thailand it is a problem in a lot of 3rd world countries. It is NOT the dogs that cause the problem it is people who fail to care for their dogs. They are not dangerous I have helped in rescuing them. Never been bitten or chased by a dog. I agree it can be a problem. You need to fence your property if you cannot afford that what are you doing moving to Thailand. Why do dogs live in a particular place? it is because there is food there, usually placed by people who care for the dogs. I had a woman doing thiis outside my house, a polite word in her ear and she moved the feeding place and the dogs moved how simple was that.
The attitude of aussie mark has been shown chasing dogs up a soi with your 4 x4 with bull bars how stupid you will look. a cowboy (english slang for a bad workman). Edork you are not worth commenting on full of bullsh*t

[dozer]

http://www.kemo-electronic.de/en/Animal ... _Handling/

I have four of the FG015 units, I previously had some Chinese make, but they were useless.

[crazy88]

Update on the soi 88 dog situation. Drove very slowly yesterday as stuck behind a lorry and did not see one. Today one of the cheeky little buggers was blatantly lying outside 7-11 near Monicas and had the audacity to wag it's tail at me Fearing for my life and being fresh out of rocks, poison or guns I simply left the situation after purchasing some groceries. The cheeky little git even lolled his tongue out at one point. Good job it did not look at me expecting a bit of my burger as it would have had to be beaten to death on the spot obviously rather than giving it a bite to eat and chucking it in the back of the truck and taking it to one of the dog rescue centres that would take the correct action. Think I will kill some geckos now as they shit malaria and dengue carrying mosquitos all over my patio which takes the maid almost 10 minutes a week to clean.

Crazy 88

[margaretcarnes]

Update on the soi 88 dog situation. Drove very slowly yesterday as stuck behind a lorry and did not see one. Today one of the cheeky little buggers was blatantly lying outside 7-11 near Monicas and had the audacity to wag it's tail at me Fearing for my life and being fresh out of rocks, poison or guns I simply left the situation after purchasing some groceries. The cheeky little git even lolled his tongue out at one point. Good job it did not look at me expecting a bit of my burger as it would have had to be beaten to death on the spot obviously rather than giving it a bite to eat and chucking it in the back of the truck and taking it to one of the dog rescue centres that would take the correct action. Think I will kill some geckos now as they shit malaria and dengue carrying mosquitos all over my patio which takes the maid almost 10 minutes a week to clean.

Crazy 88

Nice one.
Siani -- yes in an ideal world Buddhism would be what it says on the label. In Thailand it is what they want it to be. Dogs are culled everywhere - I've heard shots at night on the beach in HH. Maybe they were shooting snakes.... doubt it. There's a dog catcher as well with a huge net I've seen in operation on Naebkerhardt. My rent collector once came armed with a huge piece of 4 x 4 ready to club the dog. I'm afraid he would have had to club me first!
It certainly is a problem though, I don't disagree with that at all. But it's a problem the Thais won't tackle because they simply don't see the point of spending money to either neuter or humanely destroy soi dogs.
Poisoning certainly isn't the way to do it. Anyone remember Ria and Karl? Rias' 2 (pedigree) dogs were poisoned. The adult dog survived but the pup Karl had to kill himself in the taxi on the way to the vet because of its' suffering.
Dawn and HuaHin Dog Rescue did a great job getting dogs neutered, the vet they used did it for about 500 baht. Needless to say I think most of their customers were farang.
There is more but I ain't got the time or space. Thai buddhists do 'live and let live' but only as long as it suits them.

[Aussie Mark]

Mr Crazy

You seem to know me well ,have we met before for you to know all my details (quite scarey). The dogs at the top end of Soi 88 are not a worry to me at all.

Yes I have a large fence and gate around my property but last year when I was staying at my house each night a mongrel dog would jump the fence and destroy my bin and spread the rubbish everywhere.Not much fun waking up and having to pick up rubbish whilst Im on holidays.

One night I caught a look at the dog it was a large white dog and he was alot larger than the normal soi dogs. In the morning again with rubbish everywhere I saw the dog out the front of my house so I chased him away with my shovel.

A Policeman across the road saw what I was doing and came over and spoke to me re what was happenen I explained it to him and he said that he would fix the problem .Sure enough the next day he called me over to the complex over the road from me and took me over to the Police ute and in the back one dead white Soi dog .He said if I had anymore problems to let him know .

The day I was leaving I dropped over to thank him again and took over my left over duty free vodka .He was stoked with the vodka and assured me when I returned next year there would not be a dog problem so maybe thats why there are no dogs near my house .

I will make sure I bring him another bottle of Vodka as it seem he might of fixed the problem

So Mr Crazy if you need any culling done let me know and I will try to fix it for you and Im sure my knew Thai Police friend will keep an eye out for the thieves as well