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and heres why Im so angry at the Thai press:
Angkana killed by bomb she carried, say police
By The Nation
Published on October 9, 2008

Following an autopsy report, police suspect 25-year-old Angkana Radapbanyavuth died because of a bomb she was carrying during Tuesday's street conflict, a police deputy spokesman said yesterday.


Pol Maj General Surapol Thuanthong, deputy spokesman of the Royal Thai Police, said, "The autopsy report showed Angkana's left ribs were broken. The injuries could have resulted from holding a bomb with her underarms or in her bag. They were too severe to be caused by police weapons," he said.

AVM Vichan Piewnum of Ramathibodhi Hospital said forensic examination of the 25-year-old Angkana (also known as Bow), revealed a large severe wound by her left breast, with bleeding in her lungs, heart and stomach. She had died while being transferred to the hospital.

" We deeply regret we could not save her life," he said, adding doctors suspected the device that killed her was of a hard material with hot particles.

The fatal injury was not caused by a tear gas canister, he said, because the wound was deep and large.

Meanwhile, the death of 50 year old man in the demonstrations is still a mystery. Vichan said forensic examination is continuing and hard material found in his wound is being tested at the Royal Thai Police Office.

Vichan said people who suffered amputated legs and arms could have been wounded by tear gas canisters bursting close to them.

Surapol said an investigation committee would be appointed to decide whether the protesters were injured by weapons they were carrying. He believed the injuries were too severe to have been caused by the weapons police officers used at the scene.

"(The injuries) occurred mostly to leg areas. It could be speculated they were caused by carried weapons, some in trouser pockets, some in bags," he said.

Police chief Pol General Patcharawat Wongsuwan said a non-partisan investigator should examine the bomb allegations.

"I believe police used only tear gas and shields," he said. "Tear gas cannot break legs and we need a neutral party to prove this.".

Chiang Mai University political scientist Thanet Charoenmuang said a neutral party must investigate the issue.

Foreign countries also use tear gas to control riot. But the use of bombs must be investigated of the source and objectives while it could be used by a third party, he said.
Utter tissue of lies from start to finish. Outrageous and utterly offensive...this lass was not actually protesting...she was taking her mum and sister to a shopping centre nearby. Her sister was interviewed and said that....she was just caught up....wrong place wrong time.
"Tear gas cannot break legs and we need a neutral party to prove this.".
I can do that mate....stand a police officer 30 feet from me and I will fire a gas round at his chest. If hes still alive after that we can look at the burn and chemical wounds together. Mind you his ribcage will be behind his spine. Then we can fire another at his leg and watch it get ripped off by the impact. Then we can look at the photos of your officers doing the same to the crowd.....
(The injuries) occurred mostly to leg areas.
...like you get from a low velocity gas or baton round then....
"I believe police used only tear gas and shields,"
... so why are there photos of officers with no gas masks on or on their belts firing what seem to be low velocity rounds. Gas officers are all issued with gas masks....ones without are normally carrying baton rounds.

One more thing....bombs = shrapnel. No shrapnel.... no bomb. So no shrapnel wounds..... then no bombs....so what caused burns and chemical wounds.... hmmm..... hot gas rounds maybe?

I guess its easy to see when you come from a country that has had a lot of police enquiries about riots and baton round enquiries..... and where journalists are trained to seek the truth not kow tow to authority.

The fact the paper is willing to allow this slander to go unchecked, despite already reporting her as an innocent bystander, is just outrageous.
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Sorry gents but you are treating this as if it were a one off student protest that has been brutally put down by the police and that is obviously not the case.
This was part of a planned and ongoing attempt to overthrow successive elected governments.
Whether you believe the elections were fair or not is beside the point. The parliament still consists of MP’s put there by the people to govern the country and they should be left alone to do that job not continually harassed by a minority who would have no chance of achieving their ends by the ballot box. A minority who are funded I suspect by greedies who can no doubt see a pot of gold at the end and if that gold is in a pool of blood so be it as long as it isn’t their blood.

Each time the PAD has had a win they have moved on to the next step of their plan. How many times in the past has negation been tried with this group and failed?

They are not an innocent, peaceful misguided group who can be talked to and negotiated with but a dangerous group who are not above goading their supporters to violent acts. I am not going to look up the exact quote but wasn’t it something like:
”If the government doesn’t resign all hell will break loose” Well they have their hell and it turned against them. Then there is the threat that I read of to burn down Government buildings, what next?

Now they have suffered their first real loss, unfortunately with loss of life as well as face. We all know that the police force in this country is not particularly well trained, disciplined or maybe even led by overseas standards so the fact that they went in heave handed should be of no surprise.
They were sent in there to do a job and they did it probably to the best of their ability and is it any wonder that some of them may have enjoyed the job after being taunted by the PAD for so long and not being unable to respond.

What the Govt should be doing now is keeping them on the run by issuing an ultimatum. Get out of Govt house by mid day tomorrow take all your people, all your rubbish and leave the place neat and tidy as you found it and remember your leaders will be held directly responsible for any damage to the building or grounds.
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robby, you are again not seeing the bigger picture here - these protests are happening for a very good reason (as most are). Elected or not the current administration is bent and it got into power by bribery and corruption, Thaksin has made a mockery of this country and run off to spend his takings from it. Who wouldn't protest?

Electoral fraud has been cited a number of times so your "MP's" and "ballot boxes" are pure bullshit. Western ideals of "democracy" simply don't apply to Thailand, and more fool those that think they do.

By acting violently against civilians the government are being just as repressive and dictatorial as they have in the past. There were weapons on both sides, remember the images when Samak rallied their own pro-govt supporters to attack the PAD? As said before the police and military should be above shooting at their own population.
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these protests are happening for a very good reason
Yes if you believe that the motive for getting this government out is purely for the benefit of the people etc and not for any personal gain somewhere later down the line. Knowing Thailand I do not fall for this.

Agree with Robby, although the violence is obviously out of order.


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Super Joe wrote:Yes if you believe that the motive for getting this government out is purely for the benefit of the people etc and not for any personal gain somewhere later down the line. Knowing Thailand I do not fall for this.
I would like to believe the next administration will do something for southern Thai people and not just pander to those in Issan in order to buy their votes. But I tend to agree with you ... knowing Thailand!
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Investigators say that tear gas canisters used by the Thai police at an anti-government protest last week contained a powerful explosive.

Forensic experts, working as part of an investigation by the Human Rights Commission, said on Tuesday that the presence of RDX could explain why three people were killed and several others had limbs and feet blown off.

Riot police fired tear gas to clear the streets after thousands of protesters tried to blockade parliament to prevent Somchai Wongsawat, the Thai prime minister, from delivering a policy statement.

More than 400 people, mostly protesters, were injured in the ensuing clashes, including 85 who have been hospitalised, officials said.

Investigators found that police had used three types of tear gas but "relied heavily on tear gas made in China" which was "potentially highly damaging" and could "cause death and injuries".

Full Story: Al Jazeera
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