Vaccines - Covid 19

[Lost]

Vaccines for Brits abroad.
Petition the UK government here...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/586772

The petition for England vs Italy to be replayed is at 147,000 signatures. Maybe you'll get more luck with this petition. I'm rooting for the 553 people.

[HHTel]

558 signatures after 2 months (4 months remaining) The government will 'respond' at 10,000 signatures.

Definitely a lost cause!

[Lost]

Vaccines for Brits abroad.
Petition the UK government here...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/586772

Petition for the UK govt to assist UK passport holders with obtaining a vaccine.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... GAwq4eg4LQ

^^^

I went back to do a search as I was sure someone already mentioned a petition going on (often there's multiple petitions for the same topic) and thought it a good idea to direct folk to the original petition for a better chance of hitting any significant figures.

Nope, 'tis the same petition HHTel mentioned a while back. If you do the maths, I wouldn't hold your breath. A fruitless exercise that has no hope of reaching 100,000, I'm afraid.

Edit: You got in before me HHTel.

[hhinner]

Yes, of course this is all hearsay, and I'm sure her husband is feeling very aggrieved, so maybe putting his own spin on it.

If the medics did actually tell her that she would be in danger, I can't see them continuing without getting the lady to sign a disclaimer. However, danger is a strong word (press talk??), and I just can't see them normally continuing.

hhinner, if your systolic had been >160 was it a straight refusal, or were there options? Maybe you don't know if your systolic was behaving .

It was over 160. I'd just used the stairs down to 1st floor for a PR, then back up again to 8th (lifts too crowded), plus white coat syndrome. The nurse gave me 5 minutes to rest and I was down to 130. But she told me over 160 was inadmissable. Everyone had to sign a waiver anyway.

[Big Boy]

Firstly, thank you - from a personal point of view, your answer is very re-assuring. I check my blood pressure at home every day, and I am always fine. I get to the hospital, and it's white coat syndrome, but never past 160.

Yes, they seem to get you to sign a waiver for most things. Bangkok Hospital did the same before each of my operations. However, at both hospitals they undertake pre-ops, and if there's anything remotely wrong, they won't proceed. This is the same as the UK.

My point is (and it could well be the press glossing it up), if they had found something that would put me in 'danger', they would have found an alternative treatment or cancelled the procedure. I would hope if they had identified a danger, they would not have vaccinated the lady, waiver or no waiver.

[hhinner]

Firstly, thank you - from a personal point of view, your answer is very re-assuring. I check my blood pressure at home every day, and I am always fine. I get to the hospital, and it's white coat syndrome, but never past 160.

Yes, they seem to get you to sign a waiver for most things. Bangkok Hospital did the same before each of my operations. However, at both hospitals they undertake pre-ops, and if there's anything remotely wrong, they won't proceed. This is the same as the UK.

My point is (and it could well be the press glossing it up), if they had found something that would put me in 'danger', they would have found an alternative treatment or cancelled the procedure. I would hope if they had identified a danger, they would not have vaccinated the lady, waiver or no waiver.

The impression I got was they would not vaccinate with BP over 160. The waiver is at the bottom of a ten point questionnaire to cover them if you've lied I guess. Maybe not so much a waiver as an affirmation of truthfulness.

[Big Boy]

Different wording in the Bangkok Post:

Although his wife was on some medications prescribed for controlling high blood pressure, a doctor at the vaccination venue said she would be fine with the Covid-19 vaccine.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... -covid-jab

The Bangkok Post story sounds much more acceptable, and is what I would have expected.

[hhinner]

Different wording in the Bangkok Post:

Although his wife was on some medications prescribed for controlling high blood pressure, a doctor at the vaccination venue said she would be fine with the Covid-19 vaccine.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... -covid-jab

The Bangkok Post story sounds much more acceptable, and is what I would have expected.

The woman was vaccinated. The woman died. Therefore the vaccine caused her death?

Possible. But how bad was her blood pressure? What medication? Could the vaccine have exacerbated her pre-existing condition? Or would she have died anyway.

She vomited several times. High BP can cause nausea. So can other things such as food poisoning.

She was relatively young at 39. Quite young to have high BP. But AZ has also been reported to cause clotting events, predominantly in women under 50. So there is that. Maybe, like in the west, AZ should not be used in theyounger population.

Best to wait for the autopsy results.

[Ratsima]

I finally managed to get vaccinated yesterday at Phyathai 2 in Bangkok. It was the AstraZeneca vaccine. This after weeks and weeks of trying to get an appointment that would actually be kept. (The most egregious failure was In Korat where I registered with Maharath Hospital, got an appointment, showed up, filled up the forms, had the health check and then when I went to get a queue number they sent me home saying it was for Thais only; no foreigners.)

Last night I woke up at about midnight feeling absolutely awful: high fever, muscle aches, extreme hunger and a massive headache. I took an Iburprofen which made me feel a bit better but I don't think I ever went back to sleep. I got up at 4:00 AM, made a cup of coffee and ate a handful of oatmeal chocolate chip cookies. After putting on my Apple Watch I noticed that my pulse was 80bpm. My normal resting pulse is in the low 50s and sometimes in the high 40s. So, 80 is crazy. After another Ibuprofen I felt well enough to do my normal cycling workout and then my normal weight training. But, after my wife went to work things went steadily downhill. Felt awful all day. I haven't been this sick since eight or nine years ago after an influenza vaccine. I've had one every year since and haven't got sick once.

At the moment I"m holed up in the bedroom with the aircon blazing and plan to stay until morning.

I realize that getting Covid would be a lot worse, but I was in no way prepared to be this sick.

And, damnit, it's my birthday.

[PeteC]

That seems like a severe reaction compared to what I've read, although that hasn't been much. Perhaps you need to report it to someone, somewhere? You need to go though it all again for the 2nd shot, or perhaps it won't be so bad then, hopefully.

Hell of a way to spend your birthday, but try to have some fun.

[HHTel]

Strangely enough, people I know in the UK, family and friends, have said that there's more of a reaction to the second dose rather than the first. First dose resulting in a sore arm at worst, but the second dose often like having 24 hr 'flu - headaches, sweating etc. Of course many have no reaction at all to either dose. My mother, 96 years old, for example had zero reaction to both shots.

I'm sure you'll be fine, Ratsima. As you say, far better than having Covid.

[PeteC]

Here is the info from the NHS. A lot of what they say is what you are experiencing.

https://www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-vac ... s-vaccines

[Ratsima]

The day after your vaccination the Mor Prom app has a screen (Thai) where you can report side effects. It didn’t include rapid heartbeat or extreme hunger, but I wrote those in.

[Big Boy]

My Granddaughter and most of her year at uni talked a lot about the extreme hunger, so that one sounds quite normal.

[hhinner]

My Granddaughter and most of her year at uni talked a lot about the extreme hunger, so that one sounds quite normal.

The hunger thing seems quite common with Sinovac in younger people. My wife's grandson (20s) wanted food all day after his jab according to his mum. Most of his friends and colleagues the same.