Thai army 'dumped refugees at sea'
Monday, January 26, 2009
Pressure mounted on Thailand on Monday to come clean on allegations the army towed Rohingya refugees out to sea and abandoned them in engine-less boats, after CNN showed pictures depicting exactly that.
The Rohingyas are Muslims from northwest Myanmar. Many have fled the Bhuddist-dominated, military-ruled country, where they say they face repression and economic hardship.
The cable news channel also interviewed a Rohingya man captured by a civilian militia on one remote Thai island in the Andaman Sea, who said he had been on one of six refugee boats that arrived in December.
The boats were towed back out to sea in January but five of them sank, the visibly distressed man said in a mixture of broken English and sign language.
"All men ... dead," said the man, identified as Iqbal Hussein, corroborating other survivors' reports of boats cut adrift without engines and hundreds of migrants left to die.
The government's chief spokesman declined immediate comment, saying all questions should be directed to the Foreign Ministry.
Rohingya rights groups and survivors who washed up on India's Andaman Islands and Aceh in Indonesia in the last four weeks say 992 migrants were towed out in two separate episodes in December.
Of the 992, 550 are thought to be missing, feared drowned.
The army colonel at the centre of the abuse allegations has denied any wrongdoing, and said the migrants were given food and water and helped on their way after Thai villagers repaired their boats.
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has promised a full investigation, but has also issued on behalf of the military a blanket denial of any abuse.
As a result of decades of persecution, more than 230,000 Rohingyas have fled to neighbouring Bangladesh, according to the United Nations refugee agency.
Tens of thousands more have fled, normally in rickety wooden boats, in search of a better life elsewhere. Many have ended up in Malaysia.
Source - London Metro
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Well, it's obvious that they've been caught with the 'pants down' here in a breath-taking way.
They will squirm in denial, hoping to 'slither out of it' but at the moment the situation resembles a 'worm on a hook'.
We(and anyone else for that matter) are not going to get the truth from them, no matter what any "external" forces say.
Incidentally(good example), The Ecomonist(current affairs mag) was banned today, again. Can't start a thread on it as it would last about 5 seconds. We all know the level of "freedom of speech"(in Thailand generally) we are allowed and the level of truth given to us.
Hhhhmmmm.
They will squirm in denial, hoping to 'slither out of it' but at the moment the situation resembles a 'worm on a hook'.
We(and anyone else for that matter) are not going to get the truth from them, no matter what any "external" forces say.
Incidentally(good example), The Ecomonist(current affairs mag) was banned today, again. Can't start a thread on it as it would last about 5 seconds. We all know the level of "freedom of speech"(in Thailand generally) we are allowed and the level of truth given to us.
Hhhhmmmm.
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Not wishing to condone any of the goings on but us "civilised" farangs should check out what's happening back in our home countries before we castigate others. No matter where you go in the world illegal immigration is a big problem and there simply isn't an easy humane way to deal with it.
Todays BBC reports as follows:
Turning the Tide of Immigration:
The French immigration minister has promised to remove illegal immigrants from the Calais region of north east France, easing fears in the UK that he would bow to pressure from aid agencies to reopen shelters for those waiting for a chance to cross the Channel to Britain.
The minister's visit to Calais was national news in France.
Television satellite trucks parked up outside the local government building where he was due to speak and national newspaper reporters scrabbled for desk space in the modestly sized municipal hall.
It is easy to see why.
Around 700 migrants are thought to be homeless in and around Calais, many living in a squalid, makeshift camp known as "The Jungle".
It is even said that pregnant women can be often be seen sleeping in shop doorways.
The number of migrants here is increasing, as is the political pressure to do something about them.
'Eldorado'
These are desperate people - many from the Middle East, Afghanistan and Eritrea - who have spent years' worth of savings to get this far.
But for most, Calais is not their final, hoped for, destination.
France's immigration minister, Eric Besson, captured the issue in a sentence.
Britain, he said, is perceived like "an Eldorado" in the eyes of people traffickers and illegal immigrants.
In short, there's a perception the UK is a soft touch - and a place where immigrants can prosper.
That presents a challenge to the French authorities and their British counterparts.
When the Red Cross opened an accommodation centre in nearby Sangatte between 1999 and 2002, the scale of illegal immigration from here to south east England soared.
When the centre closed, there was more than an 80% fall in the number of migrants caught.
Aid agencies argue there is a humanitarian case for providing homeless people with a home - albeit a temporary one.
Critics say such centres act as a magnet for more migrants, meaning that rather than helping to solve the humanitarian problem, they actually exacerbate it.
But refugee action groups say those who have faced torture and threats of execution deserve compassion, not castigation, and above all deserve shelter in the middle of winter.
Nonetheless, the French government has ruled out funding a new accommodation centre for immigrants or offering political support for an aid agency to build one.
'Exclusion zone'
So this is a subtle change in French thinking.
Mr Besson - himself born in North Africa - has only just become immigration minister. As a former socialist in Nicolas Sarkozy's centre right government, he wants to be seen to be engaging with this issue.
It is six years since a French immigration minister has been here, despite it being a hugely important local political issue.
But why should people in the UK care about such a change in French immigration policy?
Take a look at the statistics. The UK Border Agency has told the BBC that in the last five years, UK officials have stopped more than 88,500 attempts from people trying to get into the UK illegally. Of those, 61,000 were at Calais alone.
Of course, the nature of the figures relating to illegal immigration is that they can only be a rough indication of those who have successfully managed to enter the UK without permission.
But that accepted, you can argue that if immigration is a problem, Calais is responsible for nearly 70% of it.
So French attitudes to immigration policy here matter.
Eric Besson told me he wants to see what he called an "exclusion zone" for immigrants in this region of France.
He has not worked out how to do this yet, but he does know who he wants to help pay for it.
If Calais is the gateway to Eldorado, he wants those in that "golden" destination, to translate the Spanish term, to chip in.
Mr Besson is due to meet his British counterpart, Phil Woolas, in the UK in February.
The Home Office describes France "as one of our closest European partners in fighting illegal migrants" and says "our shared determination has already created one of the toughest border crossings in the world at Calais".
Co-operation, then, is welcomed on both sides, but do expect the French to ask for a cheque from the British taxpayer.
Todays BBC reports as follows:
Turning the Tide of Immigration:
The French immigration minister has promised to remove illegal immigrants from the Calais region of north east France, easing fears in the UK that he would bow to pressure from aid agencies to reopen shelters for those waiting for a chance to cross the Channel to Britain.
The minister's visit to Calais was national news in France.
Television satellite trucks parked up outside the local government building where he was due to speak and national newspaper reporters scrabbled for desk space in the modestly sized municipal hall.
It is easy to see why.
Around 700 migrants are thought to be homeless in and around Calais, many living in a squalid, makeshift camp known as "The Jungle".
It is even said that pregnant women can be often be seen sleeping in shop doorways.
The number of migrants here is increasing, as is the political pressure to do something about them.
'Eldorado'
These are desperate people - many from the Middle East, Afghanistan and Eritrea - who have spent years' worth of savings to get this far.
But for most, Calais is not their final, hoped for, destination.
France's immigration minister, Eric Besson, captured the issue in a sentence.
Britain, he said, is perceived like "an Eldorado" in the eyes of people traffickers and illegal immigrants.
In short, there's a perception the UK is a soft touch - and a place where immigrants can prosper.
That presents a challenge to the French authorities and their British counterparts.
When the Red Cross opened an accommodation centre in nearby Sangatte between 1999 and 2002, the scale of illegal immigration from here to south east England soared.
When the centre closed, there was more than an 80% fall in the number of migrants caught.
Aid agencies argue there is a humanitarian case for providing homeless people with a home - albeit a temporary one.
Critics say such centres act as a magnet for more migrants, meaning that rather than helping to solve the humanitarian problem, they actually exacerbate it.
But refugee action groups say those who have faced torture and threats of execution deserve compassion, not castigation, and above all deserve shelter in the middle of winter.
Nonetheless, the French government has ruled out funding a new accommodation centre for immigrants or offering political support for an aid agency to build one.
'Exclusion zone'
So this is a subtle change in French thinking.
Mr Besson - himself born in North Africa - has only just become immigration minister. As a former socialist in Nicolas Sarkozy's centre right government, he wants to be seen to be engaging with this issue.
It is six years since a French immigration minister has been here, despite it being a hugely important local political issue.
But why should people in the UK care about such a change in French immigration policy?
Take a look at the statistics. The UK Border Agency has told the BBC that in the last five years, UK officials have stopped more than 88,500 attempts from people trying to get into the UK illegally. Of those, 61,000 were at Calais alone.
Of course, the nature of the figures relating to illegal immigration is that they can only be a rough indication of those who have successfully managed to enter the UK without permission.
But that accepted, you can argue that if immigration is a problem, Calais is responsible for nearly 70% of it.
So French attitudes to immigration policy here matter.
Eric Besson told me he wants to see what he called an "exclusion zone" for immigrants in this region of France.
He has not worked out how to do this yet, but he does know who he wants to help pay for it.
If Calais is the gateway to Eldorado, he wants those in that "golden" destination, to translate the Spanish term, to chip in.
Mr Besson is due to meet his British counterpart, Phil Woolas, in the UK in February.
The Home Office describes France "as one of our closest European partners in fighting illegal migrants" and says "our shared determination has already created one of the toughest border crossings in the world at Calais".
Co-operation, then, is welcomed on both sides, but do expect the French to ask for a cheque from the British taxpayer.
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Immigration and asylum are hugely controversial issues everywhere, what is revealing is how different areas of the globe deal with it.
Certainly a bit more 'hardcore' around here. Can't remember who originally said it but "A country/society can often be judged on the way it treats those that needs its help most."
Read today on the BBC that the refugees are going to face a Thai court beforte ultimately being sent back, so that might mean jail time/detention first.
Asia can be an unforgiving place, and we with our 'western sensibilities' often forget this in the rapidly materialising 'global village'.
Many places are not interested(or had their fill of it) in assimilating anyone who just happens to 'turn up'.
This is a very 'thorny' issue to say the least and it's easy to see that the Thais are uncomfortable with this situation and being in the 'limelight' on such a sensitive issue.
Certainly a bit more 'hardcore' around here. Can't remember who originally said it but "A country/society can often be judged on the way it treats those that needs its help most."
Read today on the BBC that the refugees are going to face a Thai court beforte ultimately being sent back, so that might mean jail time/detention first.
Asia can be an unforgiving place, and we with our 'western sensibilities' often forget this in the rapidly materialising 'global village'.
Many places are not interested(or had their fill of it) in assimilating anyone who just happens to 'turn up'.
This is a very 'thorny' issue to say the least and it's easy to see that the Thais are uncomfortable with this situation and being in the 'limelight' on such a sensitive issue.
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I dont see the comparison between what the Thai authorities did and the system that has been in place at Sangatte for about 9 or 10 years.
Sangatte is an illegal immigrant holding camp. Their position is clear. They should claim asylum in the first EU state they enter. They choose not to, instead adopting an asylum shopping viewpoint where they choose to not claim in France and instead try to cross the channel. They are not asylum seekers, they are therefore classed under international law as illegal economic migrants. The French would be within their rights under EU law to arrest every single person and deport any that hadnt claimed asylum within 24hrs.
France have consistently resisted moves by the UK, EU and UN to close down Sangatte and deal with the issues themsleves.
The Ronghya are a stateless people subject to the worst treatment the Burmese generals can muster. They have no rights or real homes to return to. They are fleeing enforced poverty and oppression bordering on genocide. As such they are refugees seeking asylum and safe shelter.
The Thai response was to brutalise these refugees, tie their hands and feet, pack them into boats with no engines and virtually no supplies, and drag them out to the open sea, casting them adrift, caring sod all whether any other force would intercept them and pick them up.
This, other than being an act that breaches international maritime law and international conventions on refugees, is tantamount to premeditated 2nd degree murder.
The fact that the generals associated with this have previously been convicted in a court of law for direct responsibility for the illegal murder and extra-judicial killing of several hundred Muslims, yet to this day have neither apologised or served jail time, is beyond belief.
The sickening hypocrisy that this was carried out by and on behalf of a so called buddhist nation, therefore supposedly based on principles of compassion, caring and kindness to all men makes this crime, for that is what it really is, all the more horrifying.
The Thai authorities sick attempts to apply Thai culture internationally, ie think they can openly lie to the press and get away with it, shows in a glowing light just how stupid and ill informed they really are.
The blind nationalism, lack of a decent education, and ingrained racism drilled into kids every day in Thai schools, that Thai is best and Burmese are scum, means this will happen again and again and again and again......
Thailands point blank refusal to ratify the UN Convention on Refugees, despite being recipients of UNHCR funding, allows them to get away with this sort of murder, and the open abuse and illegal deportation of Lao, Karen and other refugees currently here.
The only similarity I see is the same "f**k you" attitude shown by Thailand and France to international pressure to deal with their problems properly under international law.
.....there.....that just about sets the record straight.
Sangatte is an illegal immigrant holding camp. Their position is clear. They should claim asylum in the first EU state they enter. They choose not to, instead adopting an asylum shopping viewpoint where they choose to not claim in France and instead try to cross the channel. They are not asylum seekers, they are therefore classed under international law as illegal economic migrants. The French would be within their rights under EU law to arrest every single person and deport any that hadnt claimed asylum within 24hrs.
France have consistently resisted moves by the UK, EU and UN to close down Sangatte and deal with the issues themsleves.
The Ronghya are a stateless people subject to the worst treatment the Burmese generals can muster. They have no rights or real homes to return to. They are fleeing enforced poverty and oppression bordering on genocide. As such they are refugees seeking asylum and safe shelter.
The Thai response was to brutalise these refugees, tie their hands and feet, pack them into boats with no engines and virtually no supplies, and drag them out to the open sea, casting them adrift, caring sod all whether any other force would intercept them and pick them up.
This, other than being an act that breaches international maritime law and international conventions on refugees, is tantamount to premeditated 2nd degree murder.
The fact that the generals associated with this have previously been convicted in a court of law for direct responsibility for the illegal murder and extra-judicial killing of several hundred Muslims, yet to this day have neither apologised or served jail time, is beyond belief.
The sickening hypocrisy that this was carried out by and on behalf of a so called buddhist nation, therefore supposedly based on principles of compassion, caring and kindness to all men makes this crime, for that is what it really is, all the more horrifying.
The Thai authorities sick attempts to apply Thai culture internationally, ie think they can openly lie to the press and get away with it, shows in a glowing light just how stupid and ill informed they really are.
The blind nationalism, lack of a decent education, and ingrained racism drilled into kids every day in Thai schools, that Thai is best and Burmese are scum, means this will happen again and again and again and again......
Thailands point blank refusal to ratify the UN Convention on Refugees, despite being recipients of UNHCR funding, allows them to get away with this sort of murder, and the open abuse and illegal deportation of Lao, Karen and other refugees currently here.
The only similarity I see is the same "f**k you" attitude shown by Thailand and France to international pressure to deal with their problems properly under international law.
.....there.....that just about sets the record straight.
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sandman well siad, I echo that and show all the other idiots on this forum that perpetually do the:
oh, well it's worse back home...
oh, it;s not our place to criticise...
oh, what can we do..
oh, we're only guests here...
oh, it's better overall here, honestly...
gulp, snore, belch, another beer missus...
which all actually translate as APATHY!
Well done again that you actually dared to speak out and show there are live people in HH!!! haha
oh, well it's worse back home...
oh, it;s not our place to criticise...
oh, what can we do..
oh, we're only guests here...
oh, it's better overall here, honestly...
gulp, snore, belch, another beer missus...
which all actually translate as APATHY!
Well done again that you actually dared to speak out and show there are live people in HH!!! haha
Poor old Rohingas. Persecuted minority Oh hum. Persecuted in Burma - who isn't if u believe the press?? Where have i heard that before. The last lot for Oz being Indiand/Bangladeshis/Kosovars and uncle tom cobbly and all.
If they are Burmese I will bear my proverbial in Phetkasem Rd. Looks like they were washed up with a monsoon in the past. Should b sent back to where they belong - obviously Bangladesh!!!
Why should Thailand take on board another group of economic refugees ?? Why should anyone?? Why don't countries take on the issue of overpopulation and destruction of their natural resources by this scourge???
These people are also worded up with what to say when caught also so beware the forked tongue. Take a look at the latest news about the Saudi "terrorist" released from GB who professed he had gone to Pakistan to help refo's to get released and now has reappeared ready to fight the holy war. Amazing that!!
If they are Burmese I will bear my proverbial in Phetkasem Rd. Looks like they were washed up with a monsoon in the past. Should b sent back to where they belong - obviously Bangladesh!!!
Why should Thailand take on board another group of economic refugees ?? Why should anyone?? Why don't countries take on the issue of overpopulation and destruction of their natural resources by this scourge???
These people are also worded up with what to say when caught also so beware the forked tongue. Take a look at the latest news about the Saudi "terrorist" released from GB who professed he had gone to Pakistan to help refo's to get released and now has reappeared ready to fight the holy war. Amazing that!!
A wooden boat with nearly 200 Myanmar migrants on board was found drifting off Indonesia's Sumatra island, a local navy official said Tuesday.
The migrants, from Myanmar's minority Muslim Rohingya community, told their rescuers they had been adrift for three weeks after being towed out to sea and abandoned by Thai security forces, navy lieutenant Tedi said.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... e5iBrjFznA
The migrants, from Myanmar's minority Muslim Rohingya community, told their rescuers they had been adrift for three weeks after being towed out to sea and abandoned by Thai security forces, navy lieutenant Tedi said.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... e5iBrjFznA
Maybe the army is a little jumpy at the thought of letting more Muslims into the country... can you blame them?
Two soldiers beheaded in Muslim southern Thailand
Mon Feb 2, 2009 6:17am EST
BANGKOK, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Suspected Muslim rebels killed and then decapitated two Thai paramilitary rangers on Monday in the Muslim-majority far south, which has been plagued by five years of separatist unrest, police said.
"They were both shot dead while they were riding out of the village and were then decapitated," a policeman, who did not wish to be identified, told Reuters.
The head of one of the soldiers, a Muslim, was removed from the scene, while that of his Buddhist colleague was burnt along with his body and motorbike, the officer said.
There was no claim of responsibility, a feature common to all the attacks that have claimed more than 3,000 lives in Thailand's four southernmost provinces since 2003.
The region abutting the Malaysian border was a Muslim sultanate until annexed by predominantly Buddhist Bangkok a century ago. Since then it, has been plagued by intermittent unret.
The majority of the population are Muslim and Malay-speaking, and have few links to the rest of Thailand.
The violence has ranged from drive-by shootings and bombings or beheadings, and appears to target both Buddhist and Muslims associated with the Thai state. Police, soldiers, government officials and teachers are frequent victims.
Since the unrest erupted in 2003, the rebels have never revealed themselves publicly or claimed responsibility for the violence, which has remained limited to the rubber-producing region..."
Two soldiers beheaded in Muslim southern Thailand
Mon Feb 2, 2009 6:17am EST
BANGKOK, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Suspected Muslim rebels killed and then decapitated two Thai paramilitary rangers on Monday in the Muslim-majority far south, which has been plagued by five years of separatist unrest, police said.
"They were both shot dead while they were riding out of the village and were then decapitated," a policeman, who did not wish to be identified, told Reuters.
The head of one of the soldiers, a Muslim, was removed from the scene, while that of his Buddhist colleague was burnt along with his body and motorbike, the officer said.
There was no claim of responsibility, a feature common to all the attacks that have claimed more than 3,000 lives in Thailand's four southernmost provinces since 2003.
The region abutting the Malaysian border was a Muslim sultanate until annexed by predominantly Buddhist Bangkok a century ago. Since then it, has been plagued by intermittent unret.
The majority of the population are Muslim and Malay-speaking, and have few links to the rest of Thailand.
The violence has ranged from drive-by shootings and bombings or beheadings, and appears to target both Buddhist and Muslims associated with the Thai state. Police, soldiers, government officials and teachers are frequent victims.
Since the unrest erupted in 2003, the rebels have never revealed themselves publicly or claimed responsibility for the violence, which has remained limited to the rubber-producing region..."
An interview with a recently landed Rohinga in Indonesia on AlJazerra revealed that he allegedly had been beaten badly by both Burmese and Thais with truncheons and metal spikes. They must have used phone books as no lacerations or bruises were noted. He (a somewhat better fed man when compared to his fellows) revealed that it was because he was an Iman. Shades of WWII when the Ruskies used to send Commisars in with their troops! He then indicated that he wanted to go to Malaysia preferably. Malaysia has been repatriating Bangladeshis for years! He then went on to state that he would rather be killed by fellow Muslims than be sent back to Burma. "Out of the mouths of babes".
The question then has to b asked how did they get to Aceh if the Thais had been so cruel as to not provision them and assist them? They must b good rowers these Rohingas.
The question then has to b asked how did they get to Aceh if the Thais had been so cruel as to not provision them and assist them? They must b good rowers these Rohingas.
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I take it you are being deliberately provocative? Or do you really believe what you typed?
Ermmm..far be it for me to point out mate, but the only indigenous population of Oz is...Aborigines, ....
the rest of you are ALL migrants...mostly ECONOMIC MIGRANTS or their descendants...
So personally Id take a big step back from the line with that bag o stones in your hand mate.....you are standing in a greenhouse.
Then you wheel out that tired old horse for another flogging... the all Muslims are terrorists/potential terrorists/terrorist sympathisers argument....
OK mate:
By that argument, if you are a Catholic then Ill lump you in with Bobby Sands and the IRA.... they are Caths....they are terrorists.
Protestant?....well line yourself up with the UDA
Baptist? Step Forward Mr T McVeigh and his militia mates who blew up a whole building full of civil servants and kids......
Buddhist?...ah well you dont get away there either. May I remind you of that upstanding Buddhist cult leader Shoko and his lovely lads in Aum....home chemistry, assassination and sarin attacks a speciality. Further back and we have the Boxers in China and the Sengukuki in Japan.
Im guessing you see the stupidity of the religion=terrorist argument now eh?
Still... I guess you are right, and the UN, Amnesty International, and various other bodies are wrong when they class these migrants as refugees and a stateless people....
they are really all terrorists and dole scroungers......
Your usual copy of the Sun sir?
If Thailand has a problem in the south then its down to the fact that since they annexed that bit of "Malaysia"....for that is what they did.....theres been a hot/cold ongoing s***tstorm ever since. It has got a whole lot worse since Toxin and his military buddies turned it into a free fire zone, massacred a few mosques full of innocent people, and generally ran the place like a massive concentration camp run by out of control chimpanzees.
The real southern terrorists are ISOC, and this latest scandal is just another in an ever ongoing litany of incompetence, corruption, terror and injustice.....but when a national court finds all three senior generals in ISOC guilty of crimes, then lets them run free to carry on, WTF do you expect?
I take it you are being deliberately provocative? Or do you really believe what you typed?
Ermmm..far be it for me to point out mate, but the only indigenous population of Oz is...Aborigines, ....
the rest of you are ALL migrants...mostly ECONOMIC MIGRANTS or their descendants...
So personally Id take a big step back from the line with that bag o stones in your hand mate.....you are standing in a greenhouse.
...cos they are the ones that do all the dirty crappy jobs snowflakes like me and you are too stuck up to do.... working long hours in crappy conditions - building projects here for example. A majority of low labour here is ... burmese refugees/illegals...back in Blighty its office cleaning and crop picking..... cheap labour...thats why.Why should Thailand take on board another group of economic refugees ?? Why should anyone??
Then you wheel out that tired old horse for another flogging... the all Muslims are terrorists/potential terrorists/terrorist sympathisers argument....
OK mate:
By that argument, if you are a Catholic then Ill lump you in with Bobby Sands and the IRA.... they are Caths....they are terrorists.
Protestant?....well line yourself up with the UDA
Baptist? Step Forward Mr T McVeigh and his militia mates who blew up a whole building full of civil servants and kids......
Buddhist?...ah well you dont get away there either. May I remind you of that upstanding Buddhist cult leader Shoko and his lovely lads in Aum....home chemistry, assassination and sarin attacks a speciality. Further back and we have the Boxers in China and the Sengukuki in Japan.
Im guessing you see the stupidity of the religion=terrorist argument now eh?
Still... I guess you are right, and the UN, Amnesty International, and various other bodies are wrong when they class these migrants as refugees and a stateless people....
they are really all terrorists and dole scroungers......
Your usual copy of the Sun sir?
If Thailand has a problem in the south then its down to the fact that since they annexed that bit of "Malaysia"....for that is what they did.....theres been a hot/cold ongoing s***tstorm ever since. It has got a whole lot worse since Toxin and his military buddies turned it into a free fire zone, massacred a few mosques full of innocent people, and generally ran the place like a massive concentration camp run by out of control chimpanzees.
The real southern terrorists are ISOC, and this latest scandal is just another in an ever ongoing litany of incompetence, corruption, terror and injustice.....but when a national court finds all three senior generals in ISOC guilty of crimes, then lets them run free to carry on, WTF do you expect?
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"To sin by silence makes cowards of men."
"To sin by silence makes cowards of men."
The 'top and tail' of it is that the army is in control here and the present government would not be in power without it's approval/assistance/aquiesance. They(the government) are pretty much a sterile faction in this one, only capable of 'lip service' really.
They(the armed forces) will exersize their beligerant will regardless of what anyone says/does/thinks, external or internal, as they are a bunch of antiquated nationalist fascists that nobody can 'rein-in'. They will simply be defiant and laugh out loud at all and sundry.
When they get flak , like now, on a subject like this, you'd get more of a response from a tree.
They(the armed forces) will exersize their beligerant will regardless of what anyone says/does/thinks, external or internal, as they are a bunch of antiquated nationalist fascists that nobody can 'rein-in'. They will simply be defiant and laugh out loud at all and sundry.
When they get flak , like now, on a subject like this, you'd get more of a response from a tree.
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