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Chang Luadsupan, the driver of the Hino truck, told the police that while he was slowing down his vehicle in order to make a U-turn in the far right lane, the trailer of his lorry was hit in the rear by the Isuzu.
They'll never learn to keep their distance. I'm still influenced by the UK campaign "Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule".

To this day I subconsciously do 2 second count when following traffic. Chevrons and 30mtr gaps don't work whereas the 2 second rule works at all speeds. Simple!
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HHTel wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:28 pm
Chang Luadsupan, the driver of the Hino truck, told the police that while he was slowing down his vehicle in order to make a U-turn in the far right lane, the trailer of his lorry was hit in the rear by the Isuzu.
They'll never learn to keep their distance. I'm still influenced by the UK campaign "Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule".

To this day I subconsciously do 2 second count when following traffic. Chevrons and 30mtr gaps don't work whereas the 2 second rule works at all speeds. Simple!
In Thailand, it could be called the 2 baht rule. They can all count two baht.

in the US it's the 2 car length rule. That was in the day when most cars were of a similar length. I suppose as long as you have a visual idea of the length of your car it would work.
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That's the point I was making. 2 car lengths is fine at slower speeds but as you speed up that distance can be eaten up in a second. Fixed distancing does not work. You need time between you and the vehicle in front.
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There’s nothing wrong with the two second rule, but it’s basically about awareness and that’s the problem here, many drivers simply aren’t aware of anything that’s going on around them.
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Personally, I prefer at least 3 seconds. The problem with that is: for sure some dickhead will slot in between you and the car in front.

In the current case of the trucks, although the driver attempting a U turn is claiming he was in the far right lane, he could very well have started the turn from either the center or left lane. Also, the following truck could have very well been speeding along in the far right lane.
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Nereus wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:26 pm
buksida wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:45 pm Thai cop on big bike kills pedestrian on crossing
https://today.fox-24.com/news/72318.html

Article appears to be a dodgy translation, but its in some of the Thai news outlets.

The likely outcome? Cop will get away with it, junta will crack down on big bikes. After all, it was the bike that killed her not the asshole riding it. :guns:
Policeman charged with reckless driving, causing female doctor's death


https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... tors-death

A crowd control policeman has surrendered to police and admitted to driving a big bike that hit and killed a female doctor in Bangkok on Friday, according to media reports.

The woman was identified as Waraluck Supawatjariyakul, a doctor at Chulalongkorn Eye Centre at the Department of Ophthalmology in Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Medicine.

The fatal accident occurred on Friday at 3.10pm. While Dr Waraluck was using the zebra crossing to walk across Phayathai road in front of Bhumirajanagarindra Kidney Institute Hospital, she was struck by a Ducati Monster big bike.

The doctor was seriously injured and admitted to Rajavithi Hospital, where she was later pronounced dead.

The big bike driver was initially reported to be a policeman who left the scene after the accident.

The accident was reported widely on across media, drawing comments from viewers and readers who called for the policeman to surrender and for eyewitnesses to provide information for police to catch him.

On Sunday, Pol Maj Gen Nakarin Sukonthawit, commander of the Protection and Crowd Control Division of the Metropolitan Police Bureau, identified the big bike driver as Pol L/Cpl Norawich Buadok, an officer under his command.

He said Pol L/Cpl Norawich had surrendered to Phayathai police.

Pol Maj Gen Nakarin said that from his conversation with his subordinate, Pol L/Cpl Norawich was heading for Victory Monument after picking up some documents at the Metropolitan Police headquarters.

He admitted he was driving fast and that after suddenly switching to the far right lane, he sped over the zebra crossing without noticing that other vehicles had stopped, and hit Dr Waraluck. He was also injured and was admitted to Police General Hospital.

Pol L/Cpl Norawich was initially charged with reckless driving, causing death. He confessed to the charge and was released without bail.

Pending the completion of a report, an appointment was made for police investigators to hand him over to prosecutors on March 9 for indictment.

The big bike was sent to the Traffic Police Division for examination. The investigators were waiting for the result of the examination and the autopsy report on Dr Waraluck. Both will be included in the evidence to be forwarded to prosecutors, Pol Maj Gen Nakarin said.

A funeral for Dr Waraluck is being held at Sala 3, Wat Phrasrimathat Mahavoraviharn, in Bang Khen district of the capital. The cremation has been scheduled for Jan 26.

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He admitted he was driving fast and that after suddenly switching to the far right lane, he sped over the zebra crossing without noticing that other vehicles had stopped, and hit Dr Waraluck.
Happens daily on Petchkasem, especially outside the BKK Hospital. Red light, cars stopped, vehicle speeding through on the outside lane and very often it's a police vehicle.

4,000 fine and a year in jail. Ridiculous!
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Let's hope that he'll also be booted off the police force, but that's not a certainty and not mentioned in the stories I've read today so far.
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Another source.

Officer who killed eye doctor at Bangkok Zebra crossing sentenced to prison

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/of ... -to-prison

The crowd control police officer who killed an ophthalmologist with his motorbike at a zebra crossing in Bangkok in January, has been sentenced to prison today. The officer will serve a 1 year and 15 day prison sentence and pay a 4,000 baht fine. He has been charged with 9 different counts.

On January 21 this year, 21 year old Pol L/C Norawich Buadok struck and killed Dr. Waraluck Supawatjariyakul with his Ducati motorbike at a pedestrian crossing in Ratchathewi, Bangkok. He was travelling between 108 – 128 kilometres per hour on a road with an 80 kmh speed limit.

Today at 9am, the Criminal Court sentenced Norawich to one year and 15 days in prison without parole and a 4,000 baht fine. Norawich was found guilty of nine counts…

Driving a vehicle without a licence plate.
Using a vehicle with unpaid annual registration tax.
Using a vehicle without third-party damage insurance.
Using a vehicle which lacked equipment e.g. wing mirrors.
Failing to keep motorcycle in the left lane.
Speeding.
Driving without consideration of the safety of others.
Not following road markings.
Reckless driving causing injury to people or property and reckless driving causing death.

The court confiscated the officer’s motorcycle and suspended the officer’s driving licence for a period of time at the discretion of the court. The officer was temporarily released on bail for 50,000 baht and will now be imprisoned for a period of one year and 15 days, without parole.

Norawich temporarily ordained as a monk to make merit for Dr Waraluck, sparking outrage among members of the public, criticising him for ‘praying away his sins’. Sittha Moonhong from the National Office of Buddhism says that someone facing criminal charges should never enter the monkhood.

Following the incident back in January, safety advocates pressured the government to make changes to the law so that those who caused death while violating pedestrian safety rules would be charged with manslaughter.

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Driving a vehicle without a licence plate.
Using a vehicle with unpaid annual registration tax.
Using a vehicle without third-party damage insurance.
Using a vehicle which lacked equipment e.g. wing mirrors.
Failing to keep motorcycle in the left lane.
Speeding.
Driving without consideration of the safety of others.
Not following road markings.
Reckless driving causing injury to people or property and reckless driving causing death.
And these same people (ok, not all) will pull you over for not wearing a helmet!!!

Of course, it's the police who set the standard. Role models to others!
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...and the Bangkok Post version. Still nothing said about his police status.

Police motorcyclist gets 1 year, 15 days jail for killing 'Mor Kratai'

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... mor-kratai
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OMG it gets worse, he's appealed and has been released on bail :?

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Sonthaya said the defendant was sorry for what happened and accepted the ruling but he decided to appeal for a lighter sentence because he had been trying to atone for what had happened.
Kill someone, say you're sorry, that's fine!

Smoking on the beach: 100,000 baht fine and a year in jail.
Caught in possession of 'vaping equipment': 30,000 baht fine and 10 years in jail.
Criticise the government: Possible 30 years in jail.
etc etc etc

A policeman sworn to uphold the law can flout every traffic law in existance, kill an innocent bystander: 1 year 15 days in prison and 4,000 baht fine. If you're sorry then you can appeal whilst being free of prison.
His father, a police sub-lieutenant and his immediate commander, used his position as guarantor to secure his release.
I wonder why the police in Thailand get no respect!!
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HHTel wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:08 pm
Sonthaya said the defendant was sorry for what happened and accepted the ruling but he decided to appeal for a lighter sentence because he had been trying to atone for what had happened.
Kill someone, say you're sorry, that's fine!

Smoking on the beach: 100,000 baht fine and a year in jail.
Caught in possession of 'vaping equipment': 30,000 baht fine and 10 years in jail.
Criticise the government: Possible 30 years in jail.
etc etc etc

A policeman sworn to uphold the law can flout every traffic law in existance, kill an innocent bystander: 1 year 15 days in prison and 4,000 baht fine. If you're sorry then you can appeal whilst being free of prison.
His father, a police sub-lieutenant and his immediate commander, used his position as guarantor to secure his release.
I wonder why the police in Thailand get no respect!!
You can wonder about the police in every country and the answer will be similar to the answer forThailand.
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I agree that there probably isn't a 'perfect police force' anywhere.
However comparisons can be made. There is a 'law and order' index published each year.

For 2021: (100 being the highest score)

Norway being the highest at 94
To Venezuala at 53.

The USA comes in at 87
The UK is 86

Thailand is 75

Full report:
https://img.lalr.co/cms/2021/11/2416425 ... Report.pdf

Make your own judgements.
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