Thai education system

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When today's 20 somethings have high school-age children, then it might begin to change. So, maybe 20 yrs. from now there will be the beginning of change. Maybe.
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In general, I think the low attainment of the Thai education system results from broader societal factors rather than just the teachers and schools.
There are many complex reasons, and I will only list a few as I don't want this to be an essay!
Parents leave children in the care of grandparents for work reasons, meaning there isn't strong motivation from home.
Students perceive the best jobs are in the public sector and taken by wealthier families who can afford to send their children to private schools.
And perhaps controversially, I think (IN GENERAL) Thais can be lazier than their comparable students in other countries.
Finally, Thais can usually stay as long as they want in the family home, reducing motivation.
So while the Thai school system is capable of improvement, I don't think school attainments would rise accordingly until the society offers a more supportive and motivational environment.
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All that plus a university graduate with honors faces poor job prospects with a wage too low to move out of the family home.
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The no fail policy doesn't motivate many either.
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nanyang wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:54 pm The no fail policy doesn't motivate many either.
Everyone gets a participation trophy. And I thought that Thailand wasn't liberal. Who'd a thunk it?
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nanyang wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:54 pm The no fail policy doesn't motivate many either.
It motivates the schools to keep sending out invoices despite being closed for two years. :cuss:
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The no-fail policy is an symptom of business/face considerations before educational ones, especially at privately-run establishments. We all know how you get a meddle now for just showing up as we couldn't possibly highlight uselessness/lethargy/incompetence and all other manner of the truth, then assigning what is actually deserved.
Even for the government-run places here (from schools to universities), they have a policy of "normalization" with the grades, i.e. they ultimately present the stats on results/massage the scores so that they are in parameters of what they are supposed to present, then all looks how it should do... the bulge in the bell-curve should be in the B section etc. and it always is.
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Spitfire wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:17 pm The no-fail policy is an symptom of business/face considerations before educational ones, especially at privately-run establishments. We all know how you get a meddle now for just showing up as we couldn't possibly highlight uselessness/lethargy/incompetence and all other manner of the truth, then assigning what is actually deserved.
Even for the government-run places here (from schools to universities), they have a policy of "normalization" with the grades, i.e. they ultimately present the stats on results/massage the scores so that they are in parameters of what they are supposed to present, then all looks how it should do... the bulge in the bell-curve should be in the B section etc. and it always is.
It is possible to get a good education at Bangkok's private schools, but you have to do the work. If your parents care it can be motivating, if they don't, good luck.
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handdrummer wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 10:07 pm It is possible to get a good education at Bangkok's private schools, but you have to do the work. If your parents care it can be motivating, if they don't, good luck.
The Bangkok hi-so schools are nothing to do with motivation and all to do with money, only the elite can afford to send their kids there (or abroad) while the rest of the populace remains 'unmotivated' at state brainwashing centers.

If anything, they're also less 'motivated' because daddy is rich, so they don't have to work and can spend their days driving around in Ferraris trying to mow down people. :duck:
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buksida wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:27 am
handdrummer wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 10:07 pm It is possible to get a good education at Bangkok's private schools, but you have to do the work. If your parents care it can be motivating, if they don't, good luck.
The Bangkok hi-so schools are nothing to do with motivation and all to do with money, only the elite can afford to send their kids there (or abroad) while the rest of the populace remains 'unmotivated' at state brainwashing centers.

If anything, they're also less 'motivated' because daddy is rich, so they don't have to work and can spend their days driving around in Ferraris trying to mow down people. :duck:
I can only speak for one school and that school has turned out many highly motivated and successful people. Yes, their parents had money and they also demanded that their children worked for what they earned. Obviously, not all of the children were like that but 33 out of a class of 45 is a good number. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.
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handdrummer wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:23 am You can't tar everyone with the same brush.

While there are exceptions to the norm, the general principle for these hi-so private schools is that you have to be highly privileged (extremely affluent parents) to attend them in the first place, the vast majority of Thailand's population are not so this scenario is a dream for most people here and only a reality for the 'one percenters'. There is no tar and there is no brush but the Ferrari comment was tongue-in-cheek so I retract that if it caused offense.
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buksida wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:26 am
handdrummer wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:23 am You can't tar everyone with the same brush.

While there are exceptions to the norm, the general principle for these hi-so private schools is that you have to be highly privileged (extremely affluent parents) to attend them in the first place, the vast majority of Thailand's population are not so this scenario is a dream for most people here and only a reality for the 'one percenters'. There is no tar and there is no brush but the Ferrari comment was tongue-in-cheek so I retract that if it caused offense.
That's true about the majority of the population and is also true of the elites in all countries but in many countries, public school education can lead you to the same places in society as a private school education, that is once you've made the money to gain entrance.

No offense about the Ferrari line. It doesn't apply to me. :cry:
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The latest notice is about reducing the number of hours student spend in class.

i know very little about the details of what goes on, but most of us have a reasonable idea of what comes out of it at the end.

seems that the most important thing is what the students do during study hours, more than how many, but if nothing else changes then this could be a further backward step!!

[Mod Edit] Sorry, we can't permit that link.
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Reference the above post, the below link has details.

The Ministry of Education is seeking a major overhaul of the core curriculum, which involves cutting back on school hours and promoting non-classroom learning.........

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... r-overhaul
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