How can Thailand curb its appalling road fatality rate?

[HHTel]

Is that an attempt to pale road deaths into insignificance? Comparing it with births is quite ridiculous. Births are part of a much larger demographic. The fertility rate in Thailand is around 1.5 and reducing. The net annual population increase has reduced from over a million in the 70's to less than 200K today. That breaks down to a population growth of 3% in the 70's to 0.25% today.

If you want to discuss demographics then start another thread. This thread as the title suggests is about the 'appalling road fatality rate'.

[buksida]

I'd say the responses to this article completely reinforce the point it is trying to make - an unhealthy obsession with meaningless statistics.

[europtimiste]

In my country a death toll due to accidents of 1, 2 or 3 persons makes the titles of newspapers. Here only deaths of 6 or ten or more are mentioned in newspapers. Different mentality and traditions. Funny to read comments of a bunch of farangs, specially Anglo Saxons wishing to change a mentality and rules in a country of about 70 million people,

[caller]

In my country a death toll due to accidents of 1, 2 or 3 persons makes the titles of newspapers. Here only deaths of 6 or ten or more are mentioned in newspapers. Different mentality and traditions. Funny to read comments of a bunch of farangs, specially Anglo Saxons wishing to change a mentality and rules in a country of about 70 million people,

But the article currently being responded to came from a Thai newspaper, suggesting there are concerns about this issue. And Thai newspapers don't just report the gore. From time to time there are calls for change.

Mentality and traditions change over time. Hopefully the attitude towards deaths caused by poor driving will as well.

[Big Boy]

I think europtimiste must be referring to non-Thai newspapers. My granddaughter has come back for the day to attend the funeral of a friend who was killed with just one other a few days ago. That was certainly reported in Thai newspapers, and the CCTV gore was definitely shown on Thai TV because I saw it.

[europtimiste]

I think europtimiste must be referring to non-Thai newspapers. My granddaughter has come back for the day to attend the funeral of a friend who was killed with just one other a few days ago. That was certainly reported in Thai newspapers, and the CCTV gore was definitely shown on Thai TV because I saw it.

As I don't read Thai, I refer to Bangkok Post where generally accidents with one or 2 deaths are not reported.

[Dannie Boy]

I think europtimiste must be referring to non-Thai newspapers. My granddaughter has come back for the day to attend the funeral of a friend who was killed with just one other a few days ago. That was certainly reported in Thai newspapers, and the CCTV gore was definitely shown on Thai TV because I saw it.

As I don't read Thai, I refer to Bangkok Post where generally accidents with one or 2 deaths are not reported.

How about this one

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... t-accident


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[europtimiste]

I think europtimiste must be referring to non-Thai newspapers. My granddaughter has come back for the day to attend the funeral of a friend who was killed with just one other a few days ago. That was certainly reported in Thai newspapers, and the CCTV gore was definitely shown on Thai TV because I saw it.

As I don't read Thai, I refer to Bangkok Post where generally accidents with one or 2 deaths are not reported.

How about this one

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... t-accident


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A good exception, I didn't read the accident of the Danish man from HH

[Big Boy]

I think you'll find that is 2 exceptions.

As I don't read Thai, I refer to Bangkok Post where generally accidents with one or 2 deaths are not reported.

I wonder how many accidents are reported in Thai publications in your local country? FFS, most English newspapers in Thailand are crap, and I doubt you'll find a Thai newspaper in your country. Get real, because of their love for gore, accident reporting in Thailand is probably more extensive than in any other country on this planet.

[europtimiste]

I think you'll find that is 2 exceptions.

As I don't read Thai, I refer to Bangkok Post where generally accidents with one or 2 deaths are not reported.

I wonder how many accidents are reported in Thai publications in your local country? FFS, most English newspapers in Thailand are crap, and I doubt you'll find a Thai newspaper in your country. Get real, because of their love for gore, accident reporting in Thailand is probably more extensive than in any other country on this planet.

Go ahead writing about : how to curb road fatalities......lost of time.....mental masturbation.

[Big Boy]

Whilst I agree it is a lost cause trying to curb the appalling road fatality rate in Thailand, you are simply trying to deflect from your statement. Or maybe your world is so small it revolves around just the Bangkok Post. That would actually explain a lot after the bollox they've been printing recently.

Your statement, "Here only deaths of 6 or ten or more are mentioned in newspapers," has been proved to be inaccurate. I used to give you the benefit of the doubt being a non-English speaker, but most of the time you are simply talking from where the sun doesn't shine. You have been given examples from the last 7 days, which you can't defend, so we move to mental masturbation

[buksida]

Opinion: Needless road deaths don’t need to keep happening
It’s no secret that Thailand has some of the world’s deadliest roads. In 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) listed the kingdom as the most dangerous place in Asia for pedestrian-related road accidents.

It’s truly an unenviable position.

The report shows Thailand’s road traffic accidents killed more than 22,000 people that year, which equates to about 60 people dying on the road each day.

In all parts of Thailand, especially in Bangkok, pedestrian crossing is an unpleasant experience.

Footpaths are narrow, drivers show a total lack of concern for people crossing. And then when people get hit, the accidents often go unsolved. The main problem is that nobody stops for them.

It’s not entirely surprising why we’re ranked so high when it comes to road deaths. Police don’t enforce road rules – there’s no deterring police culture that truly forces the drivers to behave on the roads.

Don’t get me started on other road safety parameters. It’s widely known that we have a low rate of helmet wearing, which is tentatively improving, thankfully. However it’s also common to jump behind the wheel of a car without a driving license in Thailand. But alas, nothing a small fine can’t fix, right? At least that’s what our boys in brown believe.

But death is the infinite cost of this approach to road safety. Until we begin to take road safety seriously, more deaths will needlessly continue, and families will be devastated because of irresponsible motorists.

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Motorists always ignore the zebra crossings, even when pedestrians are clearly trying to cross. You can stand at a zebra crossing for ten minutes and the motorists still won’t stop for you. Instead, they will speed up at the last minute to push through the last second of the green light, just like what occurred a few days ago with Kratai.

So, how many more lives do we need to lose before citizens begin to drive more safely, or for police to enforce the law strictly?

In most countries, motorists stop for pedestrians at crossings. It’s because these cultures strictly enforce road safety laws, giving out harsh penalties, even felony convictions for reckless drivers. This is not something we should have to call for in Thailand. We live in modern society, do we not? Road safety should be one of the basic standards we enjoy in a developed nation.

But until we start taking more responsibility for how we operate on the roads, and the police begin to think differently about our road rules, then more needless deaths will persist.

https://www.thaienquirer.com/36896/opin ... happening/

[KhunLA]

I don't think I've ever notice motorist 'routinely' stopping for zebra crossings in any country, simply because someone is standing curbside 'obviously' waiting to cross.

And TBH, I didn't even realize you are suppose to, and I've never expected traffic to stop, because I wanted to cross the street. I have yielded to people wanting to cross, and thought I was just being courteous, and not a requirement.

Although I will check my mirrors before doing, to make sure nobody will be speeding pass me if I stop, actually creating a danger, if pedestrian isn't paying attention, as happened too many times.

[Big Boy]

So far this year, it's running at 44.4 road deaths per day, which includes the 7 deadly days of course.

I've said it before, it is almost impossible to stop safely at a pedestrian crossing. I, as most Brits, have been trained to stop, but here, with the crazy motorcyclist situation, I would be putting pedestrians more at risk, giving them the false impression of safety when an unseen motorcyclist could be coming on my blindside. If I stop, I have to be 110% sure there are no motorcycles in the vicinity.

They are talking of quadrupling the fine for not stopping at a crossing, but it's the same old story, who will enforce it?
https://workpointtoday.com/crosswalk/

[Big Boy]

I don't think I've ever notice motorist 'routinely' stopping for zebra crossings in any country, simply because someone is standing curbside 'obviously' waiting to cross.

OK, I've been gone 10 years now, but it was nearly always the case in the UK.