I live in North HH and my father lives in Cha Am ( (this side)
So if I go to visit him or visa / versa and we have a few beers and I stay at his house for the night, I'm supposed to report this to the Immigration office.
Haha you couldn't make this s**t up!
It reminds me of when prisoners get released from prison, on parole for example..and have to report.
But the Thai government are imposing on law abiding citizens
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It seems, unless you're wearing one of those ankle bracelets than can be tracked, as long as neither of you report it, they will never know.fabman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:22 am I live in North HH and my father lives in Cha Am ( (this side)
So if I go to visit him or visa / versa and we have a few beers and I stay at his house for the night, I'm supposed to report this to the Immigration office.
Haha you couldn't make this s**t up!
It reminds me of when prisoners get released from prison, on parole for example..and have to report.
But the Thai government are imposing on law abiding citizens
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I am not sure if this has been reported already, but Hua Hin immigration confirmed to a friend of mine that he did not have to report because he was on a Marriage Visa and it was only Extensions for Retirement that they wanted to check
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That's very true and I'm sure that's how most people will play it.handdrummer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:48 amIt seems, unless you're wearing one of those ankle bracelets than can be tracked, as long as neither of you report it, they will never know.fabman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:22 am I live in North HH and my father lives in Cha Am ( (this side)
So if I go to visit him or visa / versa and we have a few beers and I stay at his house for the night, I'm supposed to report this to the Immigration office.
Haha you couldn't make this s**t up!
It reminds me of when prisoners get released from prison, on parole for example..and have to report.
But the Thai government are imposing on law abiding citizens
Still the law is a joke, As I'm sure everyone is aware
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Good law - "Good Guys In Bad Guys Out" - soon as that Norwegian in Phuket files his required TM30 they will catch him
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Kang calls for TM30 immigration review
In an interview with the Bangkok Post, chairman of the Joint Foreign Chambers of Commerce in Thailand (JFCCT) Stanley Kang called for the government to review the enforcement of the draconian TM30 immigration reporting regulation for expatriates, overseas students and foreign retirees, citing a slew of negative impacts not only on those affected but also on investment from abroad and the country's image.
Basically, landlords who provide accommodation to foreigners are required to report the foreigners' presence to immigration officials within 24 hours of their arriving or leaving the accommodation. Meanwhile, foreigners are also obliged to report their whereabouts within 24 hours when they stay at locations other than their primary residence, even if they visit other provinces on short breaks or are returning to Thailand from abroad. Those who fail to comply, both Thais and foreigners, face hefty fines while non-renewal of long-stay visas is also a possibility.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ion-review
In an interview with the Bangkok Post, chairman of the Joint Foreign Chambers of Commerce in Thailand (JFCCT) Stanley Kang called for the government to review the enforcement of the draconian TM30 immigration reporting regulation for expatriates, overseas students and foreign retirees, citing a slew of negative impacts not only on those affected but also on investment from abroad and the country's image.
Basically, landlords who provide accommodation to foreigners are required to report the foreigners' presence to immigration officials within 24 hours of their arriving or leaving the accommodation. Meanwhile, foreigners are also obliged to report their whereabouts within 24 hours when they stay at locations other than their primary residence, even if they visit other provinces on short breaks or are returning to Thailand from abroad. Those who fail to comply, both Thais and foreigners, face hefty fines while non-renewal of long-stay visas is also a possibility.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ion-review
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FFS are they making it up as they go along? Where did that one come from? Fake news????
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Nothing would surprise me considering the current state of affairs in this country.
The more backlash this gets the more they will dig in - we are dealing with generals here, not diplomats.
The more backlash this gets the more they will dig in - we are dealing with generals here, not diplomats.
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I know, I've said it many times. I've worked with Generals all my life. They want to be remembered. It doesn't matter what they're remembered for - it could be the biggest cock-up ever - just as long as they're remembered.
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clickbait - shouldnt be on this thread.
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TM30 hassles The enforcement of the TM30 reporting rules for long-term foreign residents for security reasons has met with strong criticism. — Kanokporn Laorvilai
https://www.bangkokpost.com/vdo/thailan ... t-numbers-
Appears to be an old report? Published: 5 May 2016
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No idea how reputable this 'news source' is and there are very few details in the report but we could all do with a little hopium here ...
Changes to TM30, an easier visa and work permit system approved by Thai cabinet yesterday for foreign workers
It’s all about the economy as ministers seek to attract more investment and jobs by making things easier. Light at the end of the tunnel even as business sentiment right now has reached rock bottom according to an index at the economic think tank the University of the Thai Chamber of Commerce.
The cabinet on Tuesday approved a package to boost inward investment into Thailand for foreign firms. It is also reported that among the measures in the ‘Thailand Plus package’ is a move to ease the problems that expats are having with the TM30 regulation as part of an easier visa and work permit environment for employees of foreign firms in Thailand.
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The news that the package contains an easing of the TM3o rule and regulations comes just 11 days after it was reported in the Thai Examiner that Stanley Kang, the Chairman of the Joint Foreign Chambers of Commerce in Thailand (JFCCT), had said that an influential unit within the Thai government responsible for eradicating red tape, had recommended the abolition of TM30 altogether and that his organisation had made submissions to Thai authorities for easing the hardship caused by the regulation.
The details of what was agreed by the cabinet on TM30 as well as other visa and work permit requirements have not yet been clarified.
https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news- ... overnment/
Changes to TM30, an easier visa and work permit system approved by Thai cabinet yesterday for foreign workers
It’s all about the economy as ministers seek to attract more investment and jobs by making things easier. Light at the end of the tunnel even as business sentiment right now has reached rock bottom according to an index at the economic think tank the University of the Thai Chamber of Commerce.
The cabinet on Tuesday approved a package to boost inward investment into Thailand for foreign firms. It is also reported that among the measures in the ‘Thailand Plus package’ is a move to ease the problems that expats are having with the TM30 regulation as part of an easier visa and work permit environment for employees of foreign firms in Thailand.
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The news that the package contains an easing of the TM3o rule and regulations comes just 11 days after it was reported in the Thai Examiner that Stanley Kang, the Chairman of the Joint Foreign Chambers of Commerce in Thailand (JFCCT), had said that an influential unit within the Thai government responsible for eradicating red tape, had recommended the abolition of TM30 altogether and that his organisation had made submissions to Thai authorities for easing the hardship caused by the regulation.
The details of what was agreed by the cabinet on TM30 as well as other visa and work permit requirements have not yet been clarified.
https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news- ... overnment/
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The Bangkok Post are still keeping it on the boil:
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TM30 not fit for purpose
https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opi ... or-purpose
In March, the Immigration Bureau resurrected the draconian regulation known as TM30 with the aim of keeping track of foreigners' whereabouts. It is legitimate to wonder whether any foreign criminals have disclosed their movements to authorities via the TM30 form.
The possibility seems unlikely, even though this is the ultimate goal of the latest enforcement of this regulation. What is certain, though, is that it has blighted the lives of law-abiding foreigners with a hellish web of paperwork.
Over the past couple of months, a broad spectrum of expat communities here have chorused their disagreement with the regulation, sharing experiences of how the law has made their stay in the country unnecessarily complicated and is affecting the ease of doing business and investment here.
This diverse feedback should be treated as strong enough evidence for Thailand to put an end to the hassle. And a solution could be as simple as amending the 1979 Immigration Act. But the outpouring of expat frustration seems to have fallen on deaf ears in government.
The regulation was made at a time when the country was facing an influx of Vietnamese and Cambodians fleeing conflicts at home, and authorities understandably wanted to keep an eye on them. This was also a time when the number of foreigners was just a small fraction of the current figure.
The Immigration Act's Section 38 requires that landlords must report the presence of any foreign tenants to authorities within 24 hours of their arrival.
Section 37 imposes the same rule on foreigners. They must report their nightly whereabouts, as and when they move around the country.
Failure to report means a fine of 800 to 2,000 baht and also the risk that the foreigner may be denied extension or renewal of their visa or work permit.
As time went by, the regulation fell into disuse, largely because it was no longer practical and too rigid. Reporting foreigners' whereabouts to authorities was mainly done by hotel operators on a weekly basis to comply with the 2004 Hotel Act.
In the absence of TM30 enforcement, the country had been efficiently managing expats and tourists via the hotel law and other immigration regulations. Everyone seemed to be happy, until the TM30 rule was dusted off and began baffling both Thai landlords and expats.
The Immigration Bureau has cited national security as the reason for enforcing the law again, expressing concern over foreign criminals who stay here for extended periods.
But immigration officials' mission to keep "bad guys out" must now be bogged down by the huge volume of paperwork triggered by the revival of TM30 rules.
Ensuring public safety is a noble cause. But it won't be achieved by applying the toothless and outdated TM30 regulation as a blanket measure that treats all foreigners as criminal suspects whose movements need to be strictly monitored.
Officials appear to have forgotten that this self-disclosure measure only affects law-abiding people. Criminals or terrorists will not be as naive as to tip off authorities about their movements or even inform their landlords.
Authorities must come up with alternative anti-terrorism and anti-crime strategies if they want to stay a step ahead of foreign criminals.
The TM30 has done more harm than good. The government and parliamentarians should push for amendments to the Immigration Act to do away with it.
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TM30 not fit for purpose
https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opi ... or-purpose
In March, the Immigration Bureau resurrected the draconian regulation known as TM30 with the aim of keeping track of foreigners' whereabouts. It is legitimate to wonder whether any foreign criminals have disclosed their movements to authorities via the TM30 form.
The possibility seems unlikely, even though this is the ultimate goal of the latest enforcement of this regulation. What is certain, though, is that it has blighted the lives of law-abiding foreigners with a hellish web of paperwork.
Over the past couple of months, a broad spectrum of expat communities here have chorused their disagreement with the regulation, sharing experiences of how the law has made their stay in the country unnecessarily complicated and is affecting the ease of doing business and investment here.
This diverse feedback should be treated as strong enough evidence for Thailand to put an end to the hassle. And a solution could be as simple as amending the 1979 Immigration Act. But the outpouring of expat frustration seems to have fallen on deaf ears in government.
The regulation was made at a time when the country was facing an influx of Vietnamese and Cambodians fleeing conflicts at home, and authorities understandably wanted to keep an eye on them. This was also a time when the number of foreigners was just a small fraction of the current figure.
The Immigration Act's Section 38 requires that landlords must report the presence of any foreign tenants to authorities within 24 hours of their arrival.
Section 37 imposes the same rule on foreigners. They must report their nightly whereabouts, as and when they move around the country.
Failure to report means a fine of 800 to 2,000 baht and also the risk that the foreigner may be denied extension or renewal of their visa or work permit.
As time went by, the regulation fell into disuse, largely because it was no longer practical and too rigid. Reporting foreigners' whereabouts to authorities was mainly done by hotel operators on a weekly basis to comply with the 2004 Hotel Act.
In the absence of TM30 enforcement, the country had been efficiently managing expats and tourists via the hotel law and other immigration regulations. Everyone seemed to be happy, until the TM30 rule was dusted off and began baffling both Thai landlords and expats.
The Immigration Bureau has cited national security as the reason for enforcing the law again, expressing concern over foreign criminals who stay here for extended periods.
But immigration officials' mission to keep "bad guys out" must now be bogged down by the huge volume of paperwork triggered by the revival of TM30 rules.
Ensuring public safety is a noble cause. But it won't be achieved by applying the toothless and outdated TM30 regulation as a blanket measure that treats all foreigners as criminal suspects whose movements need to be strictly monitored.
Officials appear to have forgotten that this self-disclosure measure only affects law-abiding people. Criminals or terrorists will not be as naive as to tip off authorities about their movements or even inform their landlords.
Authorities must come up with alternative anti-terrorism and anti-crime strategies if they want to stay a step ahead of foreign criminals.
The TM30 has done more harm than good. The government and parliamentarians should push for amendments to the Immigration Act to do away with it.
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Because they're blind to the bleeding obvious.Officials appear to have forgotten that this self-disclosure measure only affects law-abiding people. Criminals or terrorists will not be as naive as to tip off authorities about their movements or even inform their landlords.