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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by Nereus » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:08 am

404cameljockey wrote:Actually I think maybe more people are killed by elephants each year than snakes?
Really – How Many Deaths in Thailand Due to Venomous Snakebite?

https://www.thailandsnakes.com/how-many ... snakebite/

One source, Suchai Suteparuk, M.D., Division of Toxicology, at Thailand’s most prestigious school Chulalongkorn University, cites in his paper “Bites & Stings in Thailand” there are about 7,000 bites by snakes in Thailand and about 30 deaths per year due to venomous snakebite (http://www.tm.mahidol.ac.th/jitmm2008/d ... -bites.pdf). (old stats)
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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by 404cameljockey » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:07 pm

Nereus wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:08 am
404cameljockey wrote:Actually I think maybe more people are killed by elephants each year than snakes?
Really – How Many Deaths in Thailand Due to Venomous Snakebite?

https://www.thailandsnakes.com/how-many ... snakebite/

One source, Suchai Suteparuk, M.D., Division of Toxicology, at Thailand’s most prestigious school Chulalongkorn University, cites in his paper “Bites & Stings in Thailand” there are about 7,000 bites by snakes in Thailand and about 30 deaths per year due to venomous snakebite (http://www.tm.mahidol.ac.th/jitmm2008/d ... -bites.pdf). (old stats)
I was only being half serious, and in return you only looked at half of the story! :)

Indeed it seems hard to get data on killer elephants. I can imagine that death by elephant could be under reported due to (1) its importance in the tourist trade, it's a national symbol, (2) government unwillingness to highlight fraught human/elephant encounters due to loss of habitat and elephants foraging in villages for food, and (3) also unwillingness to expose harsh treatment of working elephants. Just a theory, but elephants in musth can be very dangerous, and the cruel mistreatment they often suffer here can make them even crazier.


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"Mahout deaths are common in Southeast Asia. In March alone, elephants killed at least four mahouts in Thailand. It is tough to say how many deaths occur each year, since many don’t get reported at all"

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=kille ... 64&bih=915
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"“People keep on dying. And it often doesn’t make much news when they’re locals,” says Wiek, a Thai-speaking, Dutch former special forces soldier who investigates animal abuse in Southeast Asia."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... /80283654/
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"Laundering killer elephants’ identities is abetted by poor regulation."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... /80283654/
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Do we know which snakes are venomous?

Post by johnjar » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:29 am

Vital Spark wrote:
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... it would be more prudent regarding sharks and sea life around Hua Hin for a English speaker to ask a local with local knowledge, who have far more knowledge on this subject, than any of us English speakers on this forum :)
I very rarely ask a Thai about anything to do with wildlife, as I find that they have very little knowledge. Most Thais I know think that all snakes are venomous, and will kill them instantly. They believe that tokays are dangerous as they will stick to your head ( :shock: ) and bite you, and most of my students hate small lizards for the same reason.

OK, back to shark experts.... :offtopic:

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Also most English people probably think that all snakes are venomous :)

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Post by Dannie Boy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:01 am

johnjar wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:29 am
Vital Spark wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:12 am
johnjar wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:25 pm
... it would be more prudent regarding sharks and sea life around Hua Hin for a English speaker to ask a local with local knowledge, who have far more knowledge on this subject, than any of us English speakers on this forum :)
I very rarely ask a Thai about anything to do with wildlife, as I find that they have very little knowledge. Most Thais I know think that all snakes are venomous, and will kill them instantly. They believe that tokays are dangerous as they will stick to your head ( :shock: ) and bite you, and most of my students hate small lizards for the same reason.

OK, back to shark experts.... :offtopic:

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Also most English people probably think that all snakes are venomous :)
You speak for yourself - I’m sure that most “English” (by which you probably mean British, or even a wider context of nationalities) know that all snakes are not venomous - their only problem may be knowing which is which!!

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Re: Do we know which snakes are venomous?

Post by HHTel » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:53 am

I agree, Dannie Boy. Most westerners know that not all snakes are poisonous. Why Jamjar thinks differently is anyone's guess. However, many Thais believe that all snakes are poisonous which is not a bad philosophy when keeping yourself and others safe.
I know as most others do that snakes are not dangerous unless they are trapped with no escape. They will try to get away if disturbed by one of us.

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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by laphanphon » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:39 am

Knowing all are not poisonous, and knowing exactly what they all look like, and can tell them apart is a different story. Unless a cobra is up and hooded, it looks like every other dark snake. Except for Kraits, they all look the same to me, except the green one with antennas....555

So for my daughter's, in the past, and now dog's safety, when we build an enclosed house / yard, anything in the yard, I'm not 100 % sure is not poisonous, except Golden Tree Snake, they get a pass, then I kill it.
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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by Blacky » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:50 pm

:tsk: Actually "poisonous" snakes are not poisonous but venomous....just saying :duck:

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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by Big Boy » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:00 pm

A video Hua Hin's new snake meister taken this morning in Pranburi. He makes it look simple. As they say on the video, "Don't try this at home."

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Snake near my home

Post by fabman » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:18 pm

I spotted this small snake outside my home yesterday , not sure if its dangerous or not..it didn't seem aggressive. it someone could identify which kind of snake it is please. :wink:
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Re: Snake near my home

Post by Big Boy » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:42 pm

That's a harmless Golden Tree Snake.
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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by Arlo » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:17 am

Agree with BB. on the ID.

Joining this page https://www.facebook.com/groups/1749132628662306/ is very informative and they are very quick to respond when it comes to identifying snakes.

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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by fabman » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:33 pm

Thanks Guys , that's good to know ( especially with the little one around )

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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by Big Boy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:39 pm

We had one hanging around our house for a while - fascinating to watch.
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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by hhinner » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:19 pm

My wife found this cute little guy in the garden today. A baby kukri (brown, banded?), only about 6 inches long, but still had to be removed she said.
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She found the one below a couple of weeks ago. Not so cute and definitely had to be removed. Malayan pit viper - a juvenile I think. About 18 inches long.
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This was the second pit viper this year. When found in the mid morning they seem quite soporific (active nocturnally) and quite easy to scoop into a lidded container. Gingerly and with no sudden movements. I released this one a long way from any houses. It remained coiled all through capture and release. No way I would go anywhere near one in the late afternoon onwards - that's for a pro to take care of.

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Re: Snakes in the house and garden

Post by PET » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:44 pm

The Malayan Pit Viper is very dangerous and accounts for more deaths in Thailand than any other snake. Like the picture it coils itself up and waits to strike anything oncoming. A friend had one in his garage one night with his dog barking, so he went to investigate. The result was a strike to his arm and very serious problems for 18 months.
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