UHT Vana Nava Hua Hin City FC 2015

[Geordie Dancer]

Just one question, is the following statement fact or assumption?

Geordie Dancer wrote:
All their time is being spent at TOT.

Can't say it is 100% fact because I haven't been to TOTs training but I do view a lot of photo's and comments on FB of some of the individuals concerned. (Have a look at Boyd Ks facebook page for example). That's all I can say is they indicate that they are at TOT. I can not envisage where else they would be as they do all appear at our games when convenient, as they did yesterday. As they all still appear to be employed by Hua Hin/TOT if they are not with us they must be with TOT.

As for your other comments I hope, like you, that you are wrong although it does seem quite feasible. As long as the club does not explain to people what is going on this kind of speculation will continue.

At the end of the day Hua Hin City FC is my team and I couldn't give a toss about TOT. If there was a "deal" which resulted in us ultimately jumping straight into the premier league I would not be happy and I am sure many others would feel the same way. This is sport which is about achievement. There is no achievement in buying success promotion.

[Big Boy]

It is also a VERY LONG CLOSE SEASON when you don't qualify for the Champions League.

Unfortunately our sugar daddies have a desire to succeed. If they can't do it on the football pitch....................

[Sabai Sabai]

Agree with a lot of what's been said on here already, the team were a shambles, completely devoid of organisation and there's no doubt it is being caused by the TOT situation and the coach not being around.

I'll roughly translate parts of the coach's post match interview below:

"I admit the first half the team were poor and lacked concentration/focus, ultimately resulting in JW being able to score and lead at half time.

The 2nd half we got back into the game and were playing with the intention to entertain and get some quick goals, the players done well but were not able to score.

Having to manage 2 teams is taking it's toll, is it having an effect? Yes, absolutely it is having an effect. The team are not at 100% just now, owing to the fact we're still in the period of time whereby we have to manage 2 teams.

It is not ideal but we have taken over and run the club already, so we have to do it. I urge fans of Hua Hin not to be disheartened or turn your back on the club. We have to fight onwards together and the players need your support."

He also gave praise to JW's performance.

His last 2 interviews he's given it's starting to sound like he's not happy with the situation either. I sympathize with him, it's not his fault. He is I guess, just following orders.

I also read an article that was published on TOT's website the other day. It was talking about the takeover of the club by CGF and they were stating that there are virtually unlimited funds available to ensure the team stay up this season.

It also clarifies anyone who had a contract with the 'old company' will still receive their salary at the same rate as previously agreed and followed.

The takeover all sounds very complete, so begs the question why the silence at this end???

The longer this drags on, the more I'm starting to think the plan IS for Hua Hin to take TOT's place in TPL next season, change name to Hua Hin and play here.

It would fit in with the coach and his staff spending so much time at TOT. It would fit in with Anucha being loaned. Also, it may be the reason for the silence, I mean if it's the case, it's probably not a good idea to come out with it now and 'disrupt the season' (ironic I know, as by not saying anything it's having the same effect).

[Davy B]

Interesting comments from Big Boy and Sabai Sabai. I have talked to BB about my concerns about this current situation. We have both had 'sugar daddies' doing what they think is best to our clubs back in the UK with mixed results. My team - Hearts have been to hell and back but with the full support of the Board by the Supporters Federation we are currently in a bit of a renaissance. I am overjoyed. What is going on here beggars belief and it is my opinion that most likely if a merger takes place that TOT will lose any sort of identity it had, and I feel for their supporters. How would you feel if it was the other way around and Hua Hin FC lost it's identity. No doubt we would be outraged. As BB indicated most of our current squad would not be around at the end of the season as most are struggling in the second division but some I feel would be able to step up to the plate. If this is to be the case, I feel it would make sense to get the TOT side of things sorted ready for the transition and start of next season and whatever happens at Hua Hin would then seem irrelevant. The 'owners' will have a team in the TPL with a choice then of 2 sets of players available to play in the much higher division and it is my guess that the club will then be rebranded to something like TOT Hua Hin City FC. Would we be happy with that? My guess is that we would probably because we will still have a football club here in Hua Hin, and a TPL one at that, but not exactly happy that everything has been kept under wraps. I am trying to be optimistic about all of this but as GD and SS have said these guys have not been at Hua Hin but overseeing what is going on at TOT to really care about our current predicament but THEY are looking at the bigger picture. What do you guys think?

[ste860]

i for one would not really like us to buy a place in the premier league ,it should be earned by promotion ,it would feel dirty , besides i do not think TOT will be in it the way the table looks and i may be selfish but i hope they do get relegated ,Hua Hins my team not TOT

[Big Boy]

Going back to Sunday's game, I found the official fan photos told a very telling story. What a miserable bunch of gits we all look. I look at the fan's photos every week, and never before have I seen so many miserable faces at one game of football.

[Big Boy]

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[Sabai Sabai]

it is my opinion that most likely if a merger takes place that TOT will lose any sort of identity it had,

it is my guess that the club will then be rebranded to something like TOT Hua Hin City FC.

So all forms of identity except their name would live on!

Sorry, I'm just teasing. On a more serious note, as much as the idea of buying our promotion to the TPL doesn't sit well with me either and I wish we had never gotten involved with TOT in the first place, I'm beggining to think that given where we are now(well, piecing together the little we know), that it may be the best scenario available to us.

My initial thoughts from as soon as this story broke were of 'how can owning the 2 club's benefit Hua Hin City?' ..... I was struggling to see the benefits, why go to the expense, hassle of buying another team?? Fine, if you've got lots of money to invest, invest it in Hua Hin!

The longer things have went on, and consequently the actions of the club, coach + staff etc being detrimental to the team have reinforced my initial view, not only is it not helping us but it's actually hindering us.

Therefore the scenario, which would leave a bad taste in the mouth for (many)Hua Hin supporters, and no doubt devestate TOT supporters, of Hua Hin taking Tot's place in the TPL next season is starting to shape up as a best case scenario!

As I say, I'd have preffered for all the investment and all the focus to be on Hua Hin to ensure our rightful passage up through the leagues but given the way things have gone, it's looking less and less plausible by the day.

Going back to Sunday's game, I found the official fan photos told a very telling story. What a miserable bunch of gits we all look. I look at the fan's photos every week, and never before have I seen so many miserable faces at one game of football.

To be fair I always seem to look very serious/miserable git in these photos win, lose or draw!
But joking apart the fans are starting to get pretty cheesed off with what's going on. Even some of the reaction by the Thai fans in comments on the club's Facebook have been quite scathing of the whole situation, which is very unusual of the Thai fans, normally after a defeat(or 2) it's just messages of support but those messages are certainly thinner on the ground this week.

As you know, I do like to wear rose tinted specs, so I feel the need to look for something positive to say, although even I am struggling to find anything positive about Sunday's performance to say. However, teams around us slipped up as well, hence we're still only 3 points off a CL spot. Certainly not an insurmountable gap!

[Big Boy]

Well guys, have you been able to turn last week's frowns upside down yet? We were a right miserable looking bunch of gits after last week's game. I'll be honest, my frown is still upside down, and in need of a serious goal fest tomorrow to rectify it.

Tomorrow's game on paper will be a walkover, but based on last week's performance, I'm having my doubts. After all, we were knocked out of the FA Cup by a team with similar problems this season.

I guess the first thing is to see if we've got any strikers in tomorrow's line up.

[Sabai Sabai]

Well guys, have you been able to turn last week's frowns upside down yet? We were a right miserable looking bunch of gits after last week's game. I'll be honest, my frown is still upside down, and in need of a serious goal fest tomorrow to rectify it.

Tomorrow's game on paper will be a walkover, but based on last week's performance, I'm having my doubts. After all, we were knocked out of the FA Cup by a team with similar problems this season.

I guess the first thing is to see if we've got any strikers in tomorrow's line up.

You're right, on paper it should be a walkover, indeed we put 6 past them earlier in the season, however, I've learned in my many years supporting football that matches are never actually won 'on paper!' Hopefully the players approach the game in the right manner and do not underestimate the opponents.

Obviously a goal fest would be great and boost confidence + goal difference but 3 points is an absolute must. I would take any scoreline offered right now, so long as it resulted in 3 points.

Watching some of the videos of training this week has been encouraging, the coach actually seems to have been around and taking the training. Hopefully the performance tomorrow reflects this.

Andre seems to have been back in full training so I'd imagine he'll be back in the team.

Like you, after last week's performance I'm struggling to be too optimistic but hopefully with the coach having been around we'll see a much improved performance!

[Big Boy]

You're doing better than me - I've been struggling to even look at videos this week. I hope I can raise a smile by 6pm tomorrow.

[GLCQuantum]

Going back to Sunday's game, I found the official fan photos told a very telling story. What a miserable bunch of gits we all look. I look at the fan's photos every week, and never before have I seen so many miserable faces at one game of football.

Some of the Thais looked happy, but yes - the farangs were not really improving the atmosphere...

"Why are we at the back of the photo?"

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"When we gonna get Giggsy?"

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"I'm really not enjoying this game, if you didn't notice"

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Though all is not lost - one chap still knows how to party.

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[Big Boy]

Some of the Thais looked happy, but yes - the farangs were not really improving the atmosphere...

Actually, looking through the photos you selected, I counted:

Farang Smiles 1 - 2 Thai Smiles, so 'some of the Thais' was hardly a majority.

[buksida]

I'm amazed that with all of your millions in sponsors you cant buy a few decent players that can work together.

Prachuap are on a shoestring budget but have some damn good players, almost too good to be playing in Thai D1.

[Big Boy]

Nt as surprised as I am

Pathum Thani Seeker 2 - 2 UHT Vana Nava Hua Hin City

Just home now and feeling weary. Report later today if somebody doesn't beat me to it.