Boycott the Multi-National Corporations in Thailand

[Frog]

Double post due to laughter

I've become a vegetarian but that'ss irrelevant. I won't respond with your insults with more negativity but with more teaching. THAI chickens that I've seen in any NON factory farm/animal prison setting are free ranging in front of people's houses unlike the chickens in KFC/Pepsi factories which don't get to see the light of day or move a single inch being tightly smashed together in tiny cages. Please go attain more wisdom before insulting me. Much respect..

[Frank Hovis]

unlike the chickens in KFC/Pepsi factories which don't get to see the light of day or move a single inch being tightly smashed together

I'd guessed that KFC used chickens, the clue was in the name, but does smashing them together really make Pepsi? I won't be drinking that again !

[Takiap]

Double post due to laughter

I've become a vegetarian but that'ss irrelevant. I won't respond with your insults with more negativity but with more teaching. THAI chickens that I've seen in any NON factory farm/animal prison setting are free ranging in front of people's houses unlike the chickens in KFC/Pepsi factories which don't get to see the light of day or move a single inch being tightly smashed together in tiny cages. Please go attain more wisdom before insulting me. Much respect..

Frog............you're over worked and tired.


You're helping to locate missing persons
You're helping the Thai government to clean up the "ocean"
You're fighting for the right of chickens
You're trying to convert the country's stray dog population


Personally, I think you are taking on too much at once.

[MrPlum]

The over 50s invariably are suffering the results of their trips to Tesco, although I'm sure they aren't really thinking too much about it, while they are yanking your chain. I don't purchase supermarket food since I don't consider it 'food'.

Trying to find non-gmo, organic food in markets is a challenge. Cheap Chinese agricultural products have flooded into the country.

If you look at agri-business in the U.S. a typical big box store can have 40,000 products. You think you are in a world of choice but those 40,000 products are derived from just 4 gm crops grown in soil 'fertilized' with only 4 minerals, when we need at least 52. That is a massive deficiency. Those crops are sprayed with tons of chemicals to keep the insects off that attack them, since deficient plants are open to attack from pests. If you control the seed, the fertilizer and the pesticides, and destroy the competition (the small farmer) you end up with Monsanto. The food you see on the supermarket shelf is at least 5 days old. Then you cook whatever vitamins and minerals are left out of it.

The food we are getting in supermarkets is toxic and deficient. Our bodies can't help but be toxic and deficient. You can't build a building to last 100 years with poor materials. Likewise the human body.

Multinational corporations are turning the soil into vast deserts. Animals are raw material for the food processing industry. They have no value beyond that. Corporations aren't required to have a conscience or reverence for human or animal life. Only profit. If they can make a mixture of chemicals look, taste and smell like a donut, they'll sell it to you. No fresh produce need go off on the supermarket shelf.

Big stores like Tesco are fantastically convenient but they come with a price. IN the U.S. these huge conglomerates have killed the small farmer, who can only survive through government subsidy. All those others in the chain, the processing companies, chemical companies, banks, transport, slaughterhouses, supermarkets are raking it in. This model has gone global and the consequence is, as I said, we no longer get real 'food'. Just pretend food.

Tuck in lads. Your bypass and stents await.

[margaretcarnes]

To be fair to Frog he does make some relevant points. I haven't checked out his figures on multi national corporations but don't doubt they are pretty much correct. And we have been heading down the multi national path for too long IMO - whichever country we live in.
The problem is that it is too late now for the situation to be reversed. The UK for example has sold out many of it's major manufacturers to foreign investors. The former British Steel works at Scunthorpe is Thai owned for one.
All well and good maybe - but it does result in a very uneven distribution of wealth, along with an erosion of local control over conditions and job security.
I simply do not like the idea of a global oligarchy of corporate power and control, particularly while there is still such a diversity of culture and wealth - or lack of it - throughout the world. If all countries were starting out on a level playing field, and with multinational trade agreements that are fair, then OK it could work. But they aren't, and never will be.
What we are seeing now is the multinationals becoming all powerfull while the world remains very diverse.
Sod the chickens - sorry but they are at the bottom of the pecking order and should be a minor concern. People need to eat. Unfortunately some countries don't - or can't - provide enough food for their own needs. It is now becoming the fashion in the UK for people to keep chickens in their back yards. It is considered environmentally good and politically correct. It has spawned a whole industry of chicken coop retailers, and chicken keeping websites. But all it does is provide a few eggs - yet more easy prey for foxes - and thousands of chickens which are past laying but kept as pets because their urban owners can't wring their necks and put them in the pot.
End of rant - I am suffering from the double dip recession.

[Terry]

............Sod the chickens - sorry but they are at the bottom of the pecking order................

Nice one Mags - nice one

[Takiap]

because their urban owners can't wring their necks and put them in the pot.

Maybe I should head to the UK and start a mobile chicken killing service............lol. I must admit, having grown up in the city,I wasn't comfortable slaughtering my first one, but you soon get used to it. In fact, there a pot of VERY tasty chicken soup in the kitchen right now I don't ring their necks though - I use the old and trust method.


Maybe living in Thailand has helped, since Thais keep chickens for one reason, and one reason only - meat. I keep them for eggs as well though, and have only had to buy eggs and chicken on one or two occasions during the course of the last year.


Anyway

[Frog]

To be fair to Frog he does make some relevant points. I haven't checked out his figures on multi national corporations but don't doubt they are pretty much correct. And we have been heading down the multi national path for too long IMO - whichever country we live in.
The problem is that it is too late now for the situation to be reversed. The UK for example has sold out many of it's major manufacturers to foreign investors. The former British Steel works at Scunthorpe is Thai owned for one.
All well and good maybe - but it does result in a very uneven distribution of wealth, along with an erosion of local control over conditions and job security.
I simply do not like the idea of a global oligarchy of corporate power and control, particularly while there is still such a diversity of culture and wealth - or lack of it - throughout the world. If all countries were starting out on a level playing field, and with multinational trade agreements that are fair, then OK it could work. But they aren't, and never will be.
What we are seeing now is the multinationals becoming all powerfull while the world remains very diverse.
Sod the chickens - sorry but they are at the bottom of the pecking order and should be a minor concern. People need to eat. Unfortunately some countries don't - or can't - provide enough food for their own needs. It is now becoming the fashion in the UK for people to keep chickens in their back yards. It is considered environmentally good and politically correct. It has spawned a whole industry of chicken coop retailers, and chicken keeping websites. But all it does is provide a few eggs - yet more easy prey for foxes - and thousands of chickens which are past laying but kept as pets because their urban owners can't wring their necks and put them in the pot.
End of rant - I am suffering from the double dip recession.

Thank you Margaret for actually providing some more insight and more than just a one line insult reply as many have done before.
Free ranging chickens in the backyards of the UK are actually how most chickens are raised here in Thailand and much better than how they are treated in animal prisons of KFC/Pepsi-which is a joint enterprise. I feel that many of you have taken one sentence out of my entire topic post about chickens and have decided to bring in every other reply in any other topic I've replied to on this forum to DERAIL a topic I've started and further insult and annoy me. I will reply with a kiss to all you from the lips of a frog and not from a prince. I'm just a fool who likes to swim with Jellyfish and sleep on the beach. Mr.Plum I must also thank you for your positive input. Atleast you GAVE information instead of TAKING it from others like a cyber leach...

[STEVE G]

Free ranging chickens in the backyards of the UK are actually how most chickens are raised here in Thailand and much better than how they are treated in animal prisons of KFC/Pepsi-which is a joint enterprise

I'm afraid that Thailand has already moved on and now the majority of chickens are produced in vast battery farms and sold on to CPF factories who sell them to KFC etc. Near our place in Issan there are several battery farms that have many acres of sheds and they are the biggest industries in the area.
Unfortunately, the only real way that you can avoid this multinational food chain is by having the land area and the time to grow your own and that is a rich mans hobby which is why the rest of the world goes to the supermarket.

[Uktom]

Being Buddhist is a lot to do with accepting things for how they are, seeing the true nature of reality. Change with change, accept it and move on unless you think you can actually do something about it. Stopping the wheel of capitalism is not something you can do.

[STEVE G]

There is also nothing new in all this and anyone with an interest in the subject of food production and unbridled capitalism should read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair which was a novel that exposed what went on in the US meat packing industry, written over a hundred years ago:
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/140

[Frog]

Being Buddhist is a lot to do with accepting things for how they are, seeing the true nature of reality. Change with change, accept it and move on unless you think you can actually do something about it. Stopping the wheel of capitalism is not something you can do.

Once upon a time there was an earnest seeker of the true path named Sadaprarudita. He cast aside every temptation for profit or honor and sought the path at the risk of his life. One day a voice from heaven came to him, saying, "Sadaprarudita! Go straight toward the east. Do not think of either heat or cold, pay no attention to worldly praise or scorn, do not be bothered by discrimination's of good or evil, but just keep on going east. I n the far east you will find a true teacher and will gain Enlightenment.! Sadaprarudita was very pleased to get this definite instruction and immediately started on his journey eastward. Sometimes he slept where night found him in a lonely field or in the wild mountains. Being a stranger in foreign lands, he suffered many humiliations, once he sold himself into slavery , selling his own flesh out of hunger, but at last he found the true teacher and asked for his instruction. There is a saying, "Good things are costly," and Sadaprarudita found it true in his case because he had no money to buy flowers or food to offer his teacher. He tried to sell his services but could find no one to hire him. There seemed to be an evil spirit hindering him every way he turned. The path Enlightenment is a hard one and it may cost a man his life. At last Sadaprarudita reached the presence of the teacher himself and then he had a new difficulty. He had no paper on which to take notes and no brush or ink to write with. Then he pricked his wrist with a dagger and took notes in his own blood. In this way he secured the precious TRUTH...

Don't forget about Buddha's disciple who sacrificed his own life to a hungry Tiger who was going to eat her own children....I can give you many examples and yes you're right I CANT STOP the wheels of Capitalism BUT if I can change one mind and save endangered lives one day at a time I need the most important thing ALL LIFE in existence needs to survive= COMPASSSSSSSSSSSSSSION
I like to plant seeds, grow trees, pick up garbage on the beach and yes I like to learn but I LOVE to teach. Questions anyone?

[BaaBaa.]

Frog thought the biggest Poultry exporter in Asia plucked their Chickens from Isaan front yards.

[Frog]

More assumptions, false accusations, slandering and insults. COMPARE WESTERN INDUSTRIALIZED nations to THAILAND AND LAOS and or the entire Kingdom of Siam and you will find that there are MANY more free ranging animals and LESS animal factories here than in the UK or USA. Please teach me more Baabaa, you seem to such a great teacher? Maybe a life sentence would suit you better at the bangkok hilton than all of your pitiful one sentence replies of nonsense...

Doi Kham

[BaaBaa.]

Nah, you're speaking shite. I've seen Thai Chicken Factorys on TV.

In England free range is promoted, Thais don't care where their Chicken comes from.

I reply to you as I would a Jehovahs Witness at my door, in fact you get more than two words.

Don't tell me about life, Buddhism, understanding Thais or any other such rubbish. Most Thais don't "Practice" Buddhism anyway, similarly I've probably met about 2 people in my entire lifetime who go to Church.

PS, get a life.