Suvarnabhumi Closed

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Super Joe wrote:Firstly, I've said countless times I'm not on either side and don't condone the violence/bombs thrown at PAD people either.
Don't agree with the change to constitution but don't agree either with the other sides aim to dispand democracy with 70% non-democratically elected MP's.

Don't know how to go about it, but I wouldn't go out with 6 mates and buy the longest machette I can find and drag someone off a motorbike and beat him within an inch of his life.

Problem is when you give into violence, its like dealing with terrorists, they know it works. So lets say the government resign and a.n.other lot get in, guess what the blokes in the red shirts will do, pop down the airport ........................

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I think your view is too black and white, and also too influenced by the personal inconvenience you and your family are facing, which is surprising for someone who has lived in Thailand for a while. If attempts had not been made to deal with the IRA and their counterparts in Northern Ireland we would still have senseless murders and bomb attacks going on now in the UK. This whole 'not negotiating with terrorists' angle has been overstated in political rhetoric, and while in some cases it holds true, in many it does not. The political bravery shown by those who did start the NI peace process is paying off in spades now for the people there, so this stance of not talking to people who have resorted to violence is insane to me. I think it probably stems from when Chamberlain negotiated with Hitler but i could be wrong. From where I am sitting it has always looked to me as if someone should have been trying to negotiate with both PAD and Thaksin, probably in secret; maybe it actually happened, who knows? But the threat should always have been there to make the negotiations and any rejections or shady moves public, to coerce both sides into a deal, hopefully one where neither lost face.I suspect that the time was ripe for that when Somchai had to step down but it seems nobody took up the baton. The government should have been responsible enough and intelligent to realise that something needed to be done to avoid further problems. While PAD are wrong in the final actions they have taken, it is clear that it was the only way they could see to bring this to a head.
For what it is worth I think this was never planned to go beyond the weekend, and certainly not to even come close to a very important date in the Thai calendar, December 5th, and I think this will be the face saving option that both sides can use.
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Wanderlust wrote:
SJ,
I think your view is too black and white, and also too influenced by the personal inconvenience you and your family are facing, which is surprising for someone who has lived in Thailand for a while.
To be fair I was posting about dealing harshly with PAD protestors months back, so been consistent, yes it's hassle for family changing dates etc, but they come out regularly so no major deal.

Agree with a lot of your sentiments, but maybe different view on methods, and again I'm no PPP/Thaksin fan.

If this was about life and death, ie: getting Mugabe or the likes out then extreme measures I'd support, but just because you want a government out I don't think you should give in to these protests/violence etc, esp from a 'Democracy' organisation.
Allow several thousand protestors to illegally cripple your airports and damage your countries tourism revenue and general image around the world ? Not for me.
Government resigns now and it sends signals how easy it is to get the next lot out etc. Governments should be strong, not weak (despite what we think of them).

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Not taking sides but thinking outside of the box.
The army has historically been loyal to the monarchy. This government is historically loyal to Thaksin. The army has asked Somchai to dissolve government, his answer is to impose a state of emergency at Suvarnabuhmi and Don Muang and tell the army to stay in their barracks.

So now we have a faceoff between the monarchy and the government. If the army wins, as Buksida says we have another two years of military rule, not forward thinking but the last time is was not really a problem for anyone other than business Farangh2Farangh slowed down. Then the country has a new election or selects a new form of governing body. Maybe by then they will have found a way to counter vote buying!

Now let’s suppose that the government wins, the first thing to happen is that they will now have little opposition and Khun Thaksin will be pardoned or whatever and will return triumphantly to his home country. Now we have one man who has proved to be dangerous and no respecter of the laws or morals and principles, except of course by his citizens! But now he will be even more powerful, even more powerful than the army and the monarchy that he effectively will have defeated. As Buksida quite rightly points out, those holding a UK passport will be the first to be effected as he wreaks his revenge. And what of the monarchy, the lesse majest laws will most probably be drastically reduced in power; Thaksin has already fallen foul of those and does not like them. Thaksin will by then be so arrogant that he will want to become a president/dictatotor and will attempt to force the monarchy, if they have not already done so voluntarily, to abdicate. Of all of Thailands neighbours I beleive I am right in thinking that the Burmese army chiefs and Thaksin have the closest relationship, mainly because of the huge loans he gave them that have never been repaid.

Oh and of course Thaksin has always wanted to live in Hua Hin and own a golf course here, if he gets his way there will be an empty property on the Petkasem road with its own local golf course under the management of a famous brewery, the owners of which by then will no doubt be staunch Thaksin supporters.
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clive wrote:Then the country has a new election or selects a new form of governing body. Maybe by then they will have found a way to counter vote buying.
That's got to be the best solution. PM has knocked it back, hopefully the Army Chief will get stronger and tell him to do it or he'll arrange it for him.

Then hopefully a party can be elected fairly without any major dispute.

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Just spoke to my travel agent, claims the airport will be open on the 29th!!!!! I'm not holding my breath though :|
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My wife said to me that this has been foretold.

There will be a coup and things will not be settled and there will be another bigger coup to end all coups and after this Thailand will be peaceful.

She believes this is here and now.

I am not superstitious but has anyone heard of anything like this from their partners or friends?
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bubbly wrote:Just spoke to my travel agent, claims the airport will be open on the 29th!!!!! I'm not holding my breath though :|
TAT put out a statement saying its closed until 29th 6pm, make of that what you will.

Arent you going to Mumbai though?

Can westerners still travel to Mumbai? :shock:
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Speakers from a makeshift stage repeatedly yelled: "Are you scared?" The crowd roared back: "We're not scared!"

The state of emergency, which is limited to areas around the two airports, empowers the government to suspend some civil liberties, including restricting the movement of people and prohibiting mass assembly.

A state of emergency was declared once before in the three months since the protesters seized the prime minister's office, but there was no move to take advantage of its provisions, apparently because the army was reluctant to take on the alliance, which at the time enjoyed greater popularity.

A crackdown could also force a confrontation between the government and the army, which has taken a soft line toward the protest movement. Somchai said that navy and air force personnel would help the police, but was vague about any participation by the army, saying only the government would also ask the army "to help take care of the people." Gen. Anupong in his Wednesday remarks ruled out the use of force by the army.

"If the government uses an emergency decree and decides to crack down on protesters, the army may decide to intervene to prevent that," said Panithan Wattanayagorn, a political science professor at Bangkok's Chulalongkorn University.

There were no obvious signs of police or military around the airport on Thursday night.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081127/ap_ ... JWyRX9xg8F
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Post by bubbly »

Suck it and seeBaaBaa. Supposed to be switching there and like everyone,i've been watching the news and seeing the stuff going on out there. One would hope the airport is guarded like fort knox with security and if it got too bad they would divert!!! Kinda wish i'd spent the extra and flown with Qatar but i didn't foresee all of this.
Look on the bright side. They won't hijack a plane going to BKK!!!! Where the hell would they land it????
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A news announcer was slightly injured when ASTV's head office was attacked with bombs.

An ASTV security guard, Pornchai Sanguanpoj, 41, told police that the assailants arrived on a white boat and threw two bombs against the head office on Phra Arthit Road at 2 am.

Pornchai said the assailants also fired an M79 at the building.

The explosions shattered the glass windows of ASTV, and Natthawut Mitmak, a TV announcer, suffered cuts over his hand while he was ducking for cover.

But ASTV officials would not allow police to enter the compound to investigate.

Pornchai himself was arrested when police found 6 rounds of 11-mm caliber pistol on him. He said he was shooting back at the assailants when police arrived at the scene so he threw his gun into the river.
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milked wrote:how can you defend this man.


I'm not defending anyone. But what has gone right since the coup? After the dust settled I'm sure "The Big People" decided to justify the coup by bringing up charges. Conflict of interest I believe is what they ended up with... Nice one... In Thailand that's like handing out a speeding ticket at and Formula 1 race. What else you got?
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: chaingmai

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How long till the pad act at chaingmai, phucket and sumui, because despite this turmoil the farang is still coming albeit by an alternative route?
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Report in uk suggest that medical teams going to airports, suggesting that the government will use Police with back up from Navy and airforce to move protestors
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margaretcarnes wrote:Redzone - it may have looked like a peacefull protest on some TV screens, but yesterday morning Beeb World clearly showed footage (several times repeated) of a guy firing a handgun outside Swampy.
i saw that too, but i was really referring to the sit-in protesters in the airport itself :|

whatever happens over the next few days, lets just hope it's not gonna go pear shaped, for everyones sake :thumb:
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FYI, U-Tapao has been hot and active for the last 48 hours with commerical flights coming and going day and night. So much so the takeoff roar keep me awake last night from 0200 onwards. Apparently they've figured out ways to get passengers in and out of there, or at least they're using it simply to park incoming aircraft and waiting for things to settle, then ferry them over to S'boom. Pete :cheers:
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