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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by redzonerocker » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:08 am

How do they manage to accurately compare all the facts, figures, graphs and data to those from past years, since most of those older records were knowingly manipulated and falsified by the various agencies involved, including the IPCC. ? :? . . . :roll:
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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by Homer » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:04 am

huahin4ever wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:44 am
A strong answer for climate-science-denying politicians
Haven't you heard? It's over. The global warming alarmist's scam failed.

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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by johnjar » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:19 am

redzonerocker wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:08 am
How do they manage to accurately compare all the facts, figures, graphs and data to those from past years, since most of those older records were knowingly manipulated and falsified by the various agencies involved, including the IPCC. ? :? . . . :roll:
redzonerocker..Global warming is a fact proved by scientists ...and is happening now and the world needs to act before its to late...Don't listen to the deniers who are only against it for their own economical agenda.

Regarding pollution in late the 1950's and 1960's I remember towns and cities across the uk with buildings covered in black soot from industrial smoke stacks , and pollution from millions of homes burning coal, and it caused the thick smog, rivers polluted by industrial waste, and the then less enlightened people dumping old bikes and garbage into them I remember this as when me and my brothers went swimming in them getting many cuts and bruises from the junk [we couldn't afford to pay the swimming pools entrance fee ] :( Another memory is we used wade through thick black sludge [caused by ships dumping oil and garbage and and dilapidated sewage systems ] collecting Periwinkles , cockles and mussels on the beaches :roll:

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Re: RE: Re: Global Warming 2

Post by hhinner » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:43 am

redzonerocker wrote:How do they manage to accurately compare all the facts, figures, graphs and data to those from past years, since most of those older records were knowingly manipulated and falsified by the various agencies involved, including the IPCC. ? :? . . . :roll:
IPCC, really? Who says so? Plenty of deniers out there. Daily Mail earlier this year had to back down on such claims: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -data.html

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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by STEVE G » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:56 pm

Homer wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:04 am
huahin4ever wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:44 am
A strong answer for climate-science-denying politicians
Haven't you heard? It's over. The global warming alarmist's scam failed.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3569 ... rumps-desk

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Re: RE: Re: Global Warming 2

Post by redzonerocker » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:46 pm

hhinner wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:43 am
IPCC, really? Who says so? Plenty of deniers out there. Daily Mail earlier this year had to back down on such claims: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -data.html
Yes really, the IPCC did the enquiry (cover up! :wink: ) into the fraudulent activity.
Complete and utter farce.
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redzonerocker..Global warming is a fact proved by scientists ...and is happening now and the world needs to act before its to late...Don't listen to the deniers who are only against it for their own economical agenda.
Believe what you want, but how can it be proven by scientists if the data they used to produce the results they required was manipulated and falsified??

I don't have to listen to the deniers, the stories and facts were well documented at the time and never refuted.
The only disappointment was that nobody involved was charged with fraud and a variety of other criminal offences.
I think you might find that it was done for the benefit of governments, economically and otherwise. :wink:

For the record, it's climate change now, they stopped using the 'global warming' label when they got found out!!
Mind you, some sheeple still believe!!! :wink: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: RE: Re: Global Warming 2

Post by johnjar » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:47 pm

redzonerocker wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:46 pm
hhinner wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:43 am
IPCC, really? Who says so? Plenty of deniers out there. Daily Mail earlier this year had to back down on such claims: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -data.html
Yes really, the IPCC did the enquiry (cover up! :wink: ) into the fraudulent activity.
Complete and utter farce.
johnjar wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:19 am
redzonerocker..Global warming is a fact proved by scientists ...and is happening now and the world needs to act before its to late...Don't listen to the deniers who are only against it for their own economical agenda.
Believe what you want, but how can it be proven by scientists if the data they used to produce the results they required was manipulated and falsified??

I don't have to listen to the deniers, the stories and facts were well documented at the time and never refuted.
The only disappointment was that nobody involved was charged with fraud and a variety of other criminal offences.
I think you might find that it was done for the benefit of governments, economically and otherwise. :wink:

For the record, it's climate change now, they stopped using the 'global warming' label when they got found out!!
Mind you, some sheeple still believe!!! :wink: :laugh: :laugh:
redzonerocker Firstly this Topic is "Global Warming 2" you can call it Climate Change if you want to, however its the same thing, about how we humans are destroying the environment.

Scientists from all over the world have gathered all the available evidence and have come to the same conclusion, additionally this is not a political issue, as politicians from all sides agree about this issue, and we need to take action now.All countries the major countries in the world agree also that climate change is happening..Except redzonerocker , and Donald Trump, best you get another dunces hat for Donald :wink:

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Re: RE: Re: Global Warming 2

Post by redzonerocker » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:01 pm

johnjar wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:47 pm


redzonerocker Firstly this Topic is "Global Warming 2" you can call it Climate change if you want to, however its the same thing, about how we humans are destroying the environment.Scientists from all over the world have gathered all the available evidence and have come to the same conclusion, additionally this is not a political issue, as politicians from all sides agree about this issue and we need to take action now.All countries the major countries in the world agree from also that climate change is happening..Except redzonerocker , and Donald Trump :D
The topic may well be 'global warming 2' but that was dropped when despite fiddling and cooking the books, the results suggested that the world was actually cooling down!! you must have nodded off for that period. :wink:
Climate change' and global warming are two completely different scenarios, climate has changed consitently since the beginning of time.
Warming periods are sporadic.

Scientists may well have gathered all the evidence, but didn't get the results their pay masters required so they cheated and manipulated the data.
Fortunately they got caught. maybe you nodded off during that episode too? :wink:

You're suggesting that everyone in the world is a global warmist? . . . . . . where do you get your info from? the Beano?
. . . you really do need to get out more. :roll:

There is a whole thread about the subject somewhere on the forum.
Maybe have a read through that one? . . . . just take your blinkers off first though :wink:
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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by johnjar » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:06 pm

redzonerocker ..Your not wrong there! the Beano was my favorite especially desperate Dan and his cow pies :)

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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by STEVE G » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:11 pm

Climate change denial is what old white men believe in:
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Post by handdrummer » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:35 pm

the question is not whether there is or isn't global warming or climate change, the question is, if these conditions exist are humans the cause and what, if anything, can be done about it? There is no question about the rising levels of pollution and that is certainly man made and something can be done about it by everyone from individuals dumping their trash on the roads and waterways to the multinational industrial polluters who turn our cities into blankets of filth. First, everyone must admit their part in polluting, then comes education and a commitment to stop, followed by stopping.

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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by hhinner » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:43 pm

From yesterday's Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... icts-trump

Bloody Democrat lefties! Libtards all.

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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by redzonerocker » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:58 pm

STEVE G wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:11 pm
Climate change denial is what old white men believe in:
https://thebulletin.org/climate-change- ... on-gap9351
Yawn, still tying to bore :roll: everyone into submission. . . . . zzzzz
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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by hhfarang » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:08 pm

"The Stunning Statistical Fraud Behind The Global Warming Scare

Global Warming: The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration may have a boring name, but it has a very important job: It measures U.S. temperatures. Unfortunately, it seems to be a captive of the global warming religion. Its data are fraudulent.

What do we mean by fraudulent? How about this: NOAA has made repeated "adjustments" to its data, for the presumed scientific reason of making the data sets more accurate.

Nothing wrong with that. Except, all their changes point to one thing — lowering previously measured temperatures to show cooler weather in the past, and raising more recent temperatures to show warming in the recent present.

This creates a data illusion of ever-rising temperatures to match the increase in CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere since the mid-1800s, which global warming advocates say is a cause-and-effect relationship. The more CO2, the more warming.

But the actual measured temperature record shows something different: There have been hot years and hot decades since the turn of the last century, and colder years and colder decades. But the overall measured temperature shows no clear trend over the last century, at least not one that suggests runaway warming.

That is, until the NOAA's statisticians "adjust" the data. Using complex statistical models, they change the data to reflect not reality, but their underlying theories of global warming. That's clear from a simple fact of statistics: Data generate random errors, which cancel out over time. So by averaging data, the errors mostly disappear.

That's not what NOAA does.

According to the NOAA, the errors aren't random. They're systematic. As we noted, all of their temperature adjustments lean cooler in the distant past, and warmer in the more recent past. But they're very fuzzy about why this should be.

Far from legitimately "adjusting" anything, it appears they are cooking the data to show a politically correct trend toward global warming. Not by coincidence, that has been part and parcel of the government's underlying policies for the better part of two decades.

What NOAA does aren't niggling little changes, either.

As Tony Heller at the Real Climate Science web site notes, "Pre-2000 temperatures are progressively cooled, and post-2000 temperatures are warmed. This year has been a particularly spectacular episode of data tampering by NOAA, as they introduce nearly 2.5 degrees of fake warming since 1895."

So the global warming scare is basically a hoax.

This winter, for instance, as measured by temperature in city after city and by snow-storm severity, has been one of the coldest on record in the Northeast.

But after the NOAA's wizards finished with the data, it was merely about average.

Climate analyst Paul Homewood notes for instance that in New York state, measured temperatures this year were 2.7 degrees or more colder than in 1943. Not to NOAA. Its data show temperatures this year as 0.9 degrees cooler than the actual data in 1943.
Erasing Winter

By the way, a similar result occurred after the brutally cold 2013-2014 winter in New York. It was simply adjusted away. Do this year after year, and with the goal of radically altering the temperature record to fit the global warming narrative, and you have what amounts to climate fraud.

"Clearly NOAA's highly homogenized and adjusted version of the Central Lakes temperature record bears no resemblance at all the the actual station data," writes Homewood. "And if this one division is so badly in error, what confidence can there be that the rest of the U.S. is any better?"

That's the big question. And for those who think that government officials don't have political, cultural or other agendas, that's naivete of the highest sort. They do.

Since the official government mantra for all of the bureaucracies at least since the Clinton era is that CO2 production is an evil that inevitably leads to runaway global warming, those who toil in the bureaucracies' statistical sweat shops know that their careers and future funding depend on having the politically correct answers — not the scientifically correct ones.

"The key point here is that while NOAA frequently makes these adjustments to the raw data, it has never offered a convincing explanation as to why they are necessary," wrote James Delingpole recently in Breitbart's Big Government. "Nor yet, how exactly their adjusted data provides a more accurate version of the truth than the original data."

There are at least some signs of progress, however. In the case of the Environmental Protection Agency, future reports and studies will include the data and the underlying scientific assumptions for public scrutiny.

That's one way to bring greater honesty to government — and to keep climate charlatans from bankrupting our nation with spurious demands for carbon taxes and deindustrialization of our economy to prevent global warming. The only real result won't be a cooler planet, but rather mass poverty and lower standards of living for all."

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Re: Global Warming 2

Post by STEVE G » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:28 am

Americans have decided global warming is a scam but I see that they're still changing the rules in coastal areas to raise roads and building floor levels!

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