Reported on another forum that Sandra Gregory has been refused entry at Swampy, despite having a valid entry visa.
Well well.
For those who may not remember, she was sentenced to 25 years for possesion of a large quantity of heroin. Served about 4 and a half, mainly in Bang Kwang, and received a Royal pardon about 8 years ago.
Returned to the UK, wrote a book, and is obviously released now. She apparently said she wanted to return to Thailand to 'tie up some loose ends.' (Hopefully not in the end of another drug filled condom.)
I'm amazed at the womans' gaul. Amazed that she is already considered 'time served' in the UK. And applaud the Thai authorities for not letting her in again.
Any more thoughts on this?
Sandra Gregory refused entry to Thailand
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An affront to the King?
Simply put, is Sandra Gregory plain barking mad?
She was granted, by the graciousness of His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej, a royal pardon. And the woman has the temerity a few years later to attempt to gain admittance to Thailand.
Doesn't she realize that she was guilty of a capital offence in Thailand?!
It really does beggar belief. If I was the Thai authorities I would have her charged under lese majesty laws on the grounds of 'frivolous and vexatious contempt of the Royal personage' with the supplication to His Royal Majesty that the Royal Pardon be revoked.
This individual is persona non grata in Thailand and should be afforded all the comforts that such a designation is assigned - i.e. 12 years in the Bangkok Hilton.
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She was granted, by the graciousness of His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej, a royal pardon. And the woman has the temerity a few years later to attempt to gain admittance to Thailand.
Doesn't she realize that she was guilty of a capital offence in Thailand?!
It really does beggar belief. If I was the Thai authorities I would have her charged under lese majesty laws on the grounds of 'frivolous and vexatious contempt of the Royal personage' with the supplication to His Royal Majesty that the Royal Pardon be revoked.
This individual is persona non grata in Thailand and should be afforded all the comforts that such a designation is assigned - i.e. 12 years in the Bangkok Hilton.
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It may be rubbish - but by golly it's British rubbish.
Having read the original post on this topic I sought out the news story. It may be that this forum does permit links to other websites - but the story was on the BBC website for all to see.
I have read "Forget You Ever Had a Daughter" - Sandra Gregory's story of the events leading up to her arrest, her trial, and her time served in prison in Thailand and the United Kingdom.
She was undoubtledly exceedingly stupid, naive, desperate and deceived. But she was never barking mad.
According to the BBC she was holding a valid visa, presumably issued by the Thai Embassy or a consulate in the UK.
Since her release she has studied and been awarded a degree by Oxford University. She considers that she has paid her 'debt to society' and has moved on. It is not often that the indignity of incarceration produces the desired effect, but this seems to be rare case of reformation of character.
It is at the discretion of any embassy whether or not a visa is granted to a convicted felon. But in this case, having been granted a visa in the UK, Sandra Gregory was nothing more than optimistic in assuming that she would be permitted to enter the kingdom.
May I make two final points. It is generally accepted nowadays that capital punishment is outmoded, barbaric and ineffective as a deterrent - whatever the crime.
The lese majeste law has no connection to this matter whatsoever.
I have read "Forget You Ever Had a Daughter" - Sandra Gregory's story of the events leading up to her arrest, her trial, and her time served in prison in Thailand and the United Kingdom.
She was undoubtledly exceedingly stupid, naive, desperate and deceived. But she was never barking mad.
According to the BBC she was holding a valid visa, presumably issued by the Thai Embassy or a consulate in the UK.
Since her release she has studied and been awarded a degree by Oxford University. She considers that she has paid her 'debt to society' and has moved on. It is not often that the indignity of incarceration produces the desired effect, but this seems to be rare case of reformation of character.
It is at the discretion of any embassy whether or not a visa is granted to a convicted felon. But in this case, having been granted a visa in the UK, Sandra Gregory was nothing more than optimistic in assuming that she would be permitted to enter the kingdom.
May I make two final points. It is generally accepted nowadays that capital punishment is outmoded, barbaric and ineffective as a deterrent - whatever the crime.
The lese majeste law has no connection to this matter whatsoever.
Just to dwell on the visa aspect. A visa is no more than an invitation to visit a country. It dosn't guarantee entry to that country.
If Sandra Gregory is persona non grata, which I image she will be, she is going to get refused at the airport or whatever entry point regardless of her having a visa.
If Sandra Gregory is persona non grata, which I image she will be, she is going to get refused at the airport or whatever entry point regardless of her having a visa.
I generally agree with caducus, she has served the time and her punishment for her crime so should be allowed to travel freely. She isn't because of Thailand's zero tolerance policy on drugs - I would imagine she'd have a tough time getting into neighbouring countries such as Malaysia also as I'm pretty sure the governments share information on foreign narcotics offenders.
(Yes, of course HHAD allows links to other websites ... just not competing ones!)
(Yes, of course HHAD allows links to other websites ... just not competing ones!)
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she was sentenced to death, reduced to 25 years & served 4 after a royal pardonbuksida wrote:I generally agree with caducus, she has served the time and her punishment for her crime so should be allowed to travel freely.
hardly did her time & the punishment didn't quite fit the crime
she's obviously a fairly intelligent woman & she knew the consequences.
as far as i'm concerned, she should have served her full sentence in a thai jail.
i have absolutely zero tolerance for drug crime
good on the thai authorities for denying her entry
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So you agree with the death sentence for drug offenders in Thailand where murderers, rapists and child molesters get far more lenient treatment?redzonerocker wrote: she was sentenced to death, reduced to 25 years & served 4 after a royal pardon
hardly did her time & the punishment didn't quite fit the crime
I certainly don't, the punishments do not fit the crime by any means, I'd rather hang a child molester than someone who smuggles a bit of dope - but maybe I've got things the wrong way round
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
It is generally accepted nowadays that capital punishment is outmoded, barbaric and ineffective as a deterrent - whatever the crime.
By who?? Certainly not me.
Why bother having any courts at all given the bleeding heart approach of this type - just turn the other cheek and take it all in and accept that murder, pedophilia etc are just an aspect of "normal" life and pray to god that it doesn't happen to you.
I happen to think that given the bell shaped curve has a sigma deviation of the population at the -'ve end over which no efforts to alter modify can effectively work and as such should be dealt with effectively!
PS there are other ways of dealing with capital punishment other than hanging just ask the Chinese among others.
By who?? Certainly not me.
Why bother having any courts at all given the bleeding heart approach of this type - just turn the other cheek and take it all in and accept that murder, pedophilia etc are just an aspect of "normal" life and pray to god that it doesn't happen to you.
I happen to think that given the bell shaped curve has a sigma deviation of the population at the -'ve end over which no efforts to alter modify can effectively work and as such should be dealt with effectively!
PS there are other ways of dealing with capital punishment other than hanging just ask the Chinese among others.
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I agree with caducus & buksida.
She was stupid. Not the typical mule better educated. But still a mule.
Only the smallest pawn in the great drug smuggling rings.
Do you ever wonder why the golden triangle still smuggles all kinds of drugs to the eastern and western world. So some very very rich people can be even richer.
These people pay your governments for big contracts they have senators in there pockets.
They own some of the police.
The beer your drinking is tainted with there dirty money. And you can bet they have something to do with the girls on walking street.
And yet on the face of it they are wonderful people donating millions to charities.
Sometimes your views change.
If it is your daughter sentenced to death whilst still young.
Whether it be from drug taking or smuggling.
Probaly worse if it is only because of lack of clean water.
From what i have read in the book & from news.
Sandra has always accepted her sentence. And her guilt.
And she did love the LOS. Remember she was teaching here.
If immigration had just let her in, maybe, just maybe, she may have done some good. Without publicity.
Now you must excuse me.
I have a tree to hug.
She was stupid. Not the typical mule better educated. But still a mule.
Only the smallest pawn in the great drug smuggling rings.
Do you ever wonder why the golden triangle still smuggles all kinds of drugs to the eastern and western world. So some very very rich people can be even richer.
These people pay your governments for big contracts they have senators in there pockets.
They own some of the police.
The beer your drinking is tainted with there dirty money. And you can bet they have something to do with the girls on walking street.
And yet on the face of it they are wonderful people donating millions to charities.
Sometimes your views change.
If it is your daughter sentenced to death whilst still young.
Whether it be from drug taking or smuggling.
Probaly worse if it is only because of lack of clean water.
From what i have read in the book & from news.
Sandra has always accepted her sentence. And her guilt.
And she did love the LOS. Remember she was teaching here.
If immigration had just let her in, maybe, just maybe, she may have done some good. Without publicity.
Now you must excuse me.
I have a tree to hug.
I wondered about that as well, but apparently she got the Royal Pardon whilst she was in a UK jail serving out her Thai sentence, so her release has nothing to do with the English legal system.charlesh wrote:Shows you how piss poor the English legal system is too!
Maybe she is responsible for untold horrors on many because of her past activities. Maybe they will cite her for a gong next year because of her "courage"?!
